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OuchyDathurts

United States4588 Posts

May 01 2016 14:36 GMT

#561

OOPS!

OuchyDathurts

United States4588 Posts

May 01 2016 14:37 GMT

#562

On May 01 2016 23:32 nanaoei wrote:

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On May 01 2016 22:39 OuchyDathurts wrote:
#productionvalue

On May 01 2016 22:36 TanGeng wrote:

On May 01 2016 22:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
IMO Aui is too apprehensive. Artour has killer instinct. If he thinks for a microsecond he can kill you he's going for that kill 100% of the time. If he thinks he can get away with farming something he'll farm it 100% of the time. This leads to insane overwhelming farm and clowning on fools or it leads to a lot of deaths. But even if he's dying he's most likely got way more farm than anyone else because he rides the line so hard. I feel like Aui backs down and pussyfoots around too much right now. Hopefully he'll come around.

Autour really sucks at carrying though. You need to kick him out of safe farming spots in order to put him in position to have that killer instinct. And then if he is there, he needs to rein it in.

His carry was amazing back in the day. I feel like him and Sumail cover a lot of the same ground as far as styles go so they don't really work together. On Secret I don't think his carry has ever been the problem with the team either time.

On Secret, he had a huge problem with the fact that Kuroky usually plays for himself. You saw it in that game where Kuroky didn't sit him and he died over and over.

Yeah, but Arteezy was never the problem on Secret. Artour WAS Secret at TI5, he was playing his heart out but he was fighting alone. Last tourney Universe looked terrible but Arteezy played out of his fucking mind.

He had the rest of his team help get him farm, of course he was the only one to look as though he was doing well. Secret at that tournament never found a way to both get Arteezy farm and to not lose with the other four. The problem is that Arteezy needs farm to work. He does not play well without farm and will die every team fight when he doesn't get it. That's why teams need to work around him; he has to get farm.

Well they ran a lot of SF since that hero was OP and they had arguably the best SF, if not 2nd best SF in the world on their team. The hero required stacks and they did that for him because thats how you play with that hero regardless of who is playing it. It just so happens when you have a SF god and the hero is broken you want to give him every advantage you can.

Watch Secrets final game of TI5, he was carrying his team up a cliff through sheer force of will alone. That game fucking hurt the soul, that had to have taken a few years off his life.

He plays the same with every hero after the early game. You'll always see Arteezy on the top of the team in farm because he'll farm by himself in the middle game and his team will move around to make sure he gets to do it. I'm not going to say it's a bad way to play; but it does make Arteezy look as though he's the best on a team every game even though it's the team doing the work.

And I'm not going to say that Secret is bad because they have Arteezy. But they do need to work out who's going to get farm. What I saw from their games during the last tournament was that Arteezy would take farm from EternalEnvy - as he has to, because he's Arteezy - and then EternalEnvy, also a player who needs a lot of farm, would not know how to play without it. But of course, Puppey was playing bad that tournament, so we have to see how they do when Puppey isn't.

He's willing to do anything to farm or kill though. Thats why his farm was so stupidly amazing. His patterns were perfect but he would also blow ults purely to farm. No other player was doing that. He could pull out all the stops to get ahead. That's the kind of killer instinct you need. Aui was going like vanguard before any boots at all on AM. I think he got a bfury and vanguard before treads even. Ugh its so slow and safe and I'm positive it was the slowest possible build. I'm absolutely not a fan of that kind of style at all. Aui's a great dude, I hope he grows into the role more, but I think he needs more of a boot on the throat mentality...

i'm actually hoping beesa or someone can explain the clear vanguard decision for me, or that i can sit down and watch the replays. it's slow so it erases the slim manta timing that's possible if you skip vlads (also not to everyone's liking, but much more common). if HP or having to jungle is an issue or something left wanting, RoH + vit booster should be enough.
but an extra 1k on top of that, (having to rebuy the RoH) again is quite a lot extra.

there's more than that to the build and i guess i'll have to watch more games with it.

Like, I'm not against vanguard now that it's needed for abyssal. I'm not anti Vanguard over Vlads like some people now. In certain situations (heavy burst where you can easily go from 100>0 instantly) the raw HP is way better than a Vlads would be in the same situation. But the build up he was going seemed like literally the slowest possible item build he could go and then he always felt super underwhelming, low damage and slow farming.

wims80

1892 Posts

May 01 2016 14:37 GMT

#563

It's like Simon in Russian

MaCRo.gg

Korea (South)860 Posts

May 01 2016 14:37 GMT

#564

Are you guys sure QO is going to the military after next TI? He only needs to finish service before 30 in Korean age I believe. Still has more than 2 years if he is 22.

nanaoei

3358 Posts

May 01 2016 14:38 GMT

#565

who would you first-ban as MVP/Vega?

i would ban void if i were MVP, and invoker or slark (weird, i know) actually as Vega
but it will probably be regular game 1 bans like wisp and beastmaster instead.

trifecta

United States6795 Posts

May 01 2016 14:38 GMT

#566

rtz razor never forget

nanaoei

3358 Posts

May 01 2016 14:41 GMT

#567

i dont know about korean conscription, but i think the office makes the call and gives you a headsup, like jury duty.
you can try postponing, which i think you have the right to do so up until a certain point. past that you need a real good excuse it seems.

MaCRo.gg

Korea (South)860 Posts

May 01 2016 14:43 GMT

#568

On May 01 2016 23:38 nanaoei wrote:
who would you first-ban as MVP/Vega?

i would ban void if i were MVP, and invoker or slark (weird, i know) actually as Vega
but it will probably be regular game 1 bans like wisp and beastmaster instead.

Bounty is going to get banned probably by MVP.
Wisp, Ench are the next two for sure, not sure by which team.
I would ban Axe vs MVP if I were Vega, but there are much better meta bans.

intotheheart

Canada33091 Posts

May 01 2016 14:44 GMT

#569

Do we cheer on Russian doto, being best doto, or MVP - our new Korean Overlords?

nanaoei

3358 Posts

May 01 2016 14:44 GMT

#570

On May 01 2016 23:43 MaCRo.gg wrote:

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Bounty is going to get banned probably by MVP.
Wisp, Ench are the next two for sure, not sure by which team.
I would ban Axe vs MVP if I were Vega, but there are much better meta bans.

let the mindgame begin!

nanaoei

3358 Posts

May 01 2016 14:46 GMT

#571

On May 01 2016 23:44 IntoTheheart wrote:
Do we cheer on Russian doto, being best doto, or MVP - our new Korean Overlords?

K.O.['s] you win !
zangief vs kim

like in capcom vs snk

MaCRo.gg

Korea (South)860 Posts

May 01 2016 14:46 GMT

#572

On May 01 2016 23:43 MaCRo.gg wrote:

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Bounty is going to get banned probably by MVP.
Wisp, Ench are the next two for sure, not sure by which team.
I would ban Axe vs MVP if I were Vega, but there are much better meta bans.

I AM GOD.

EDIT: QO is going to be dodging that Puck and go safe

intotheheart

Canada33091 Posts

May 01 2016 14:47 GMT

#573

On May 01 2016 23:46 nanaoei wrote:

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K.O.['s] you win !
zangief vs kim

like in capcom vs snk

I'm asking for results, not philosophy. ^__^

TanGeng

Sanya12364 Posts

May 01 2016 14:47 GMT

#574

On May 01 2016 23:46 nanaoei wrote:

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K.O.['s] you win !
zangief vs kim

like in capcom vs snk

I vote for zangief. I always loved playing zangrief and his spins.

intotheheart

Canada33091 Posts

May 01 2016 14:48 GMT

#575

On May 01 2016 23:47 TanGeng wrote:

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I vote for zangief. I always loved playing zangrief and his spins.

Whom does he represent in this case?

nanaoei

3358 Posts

May 01 2016 14:48 GMT

#576

can zangief handle the taekwondo doe?
i feel like ursa embodies the russian dota spirit.

Kuroeeah

11696 Posts

May 01 2016 14:49 GMT

#577

I just woke up, was the vega VS eg series good

intotheheart

Canada33091 Posts

May 01 2016 14:50 GMT

#578

On May 01 2016 23:48 nanaoei wrote:
can zangief handle the taekwondo doe?
i feel like ursa embodies the russian dota spirit.

Yeah, I can get behind that. Run in. Hope for the best. WIN BIG.

spudde123

4814 Posts

May 01 2016 14:50 GMT

#579

Imo Secret's issues at ESL had extremely little to do with Arteezy's style somehow clashing with EE or anyone else. Essentially every game they lost to Empire their draft was on a clock, and they either did execution mistakes or simply didn't have the tools in their draft to get stuff done.

Concerning the farm distribution I don't see it is as a problem in general for that team. EE primarily plays heroes that take unsafe farm, he leaves a lot of room for his team. When has there ever been a mid player on EE's team that has struggled in terms of getting farm?

TanGeng

Sanya12364 Posts

May 01 2016 14:51 GMT

#580

On May 01 2016 23:48 nanaoei wrote:
can zangief handle the taekwondo doe?
i feel like ursa embodies the russian dota spirit.

Is there a doe in the game? I can see one team has a bear. Might not be the same bear as ursa.

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