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On May 01 2016 22:36 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 22:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
IMO Aui is too apprehensive. Artour has killer instinct. If he thinks for a microsecond he can kill you he's going for that kill 100% of the time. If he thinks he can get away with farming something he'll farm it 100% of the time. This leads to insane overwhelming farm and clowning on fools or it leads to a lot of deaths. But even if he's dying he's most likely got way more farm than anyone else because he rides the line so hard. I feel like Aui backs down and pussyfoots around too much right now. Hopefully he'll come around. Autour really sucks at carrying though. You need to kick him out of safe farming spots in order to put him in position to have that killer instinct. And then if he is there, he needs to rein it in.
His carry was amazing back in the day. I feel like him and Sumail cover a lot of the same ground as far as styles go so they don't really work together. On Secret I don't think his carry has ever been the problem with the team either time.
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On May 01 2016 22:23 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 22:21 Azarkon wrote:On May 01 2016 22:19 Shaella wrote:On May 01 2016 22:18 Azarkon wrote:On May 01 2016 22:17 OuchyDathurts wrote:On May 01 2016 22:16 TanGeng wrote:On May 01 2016 22:15 MaCRo.gg wrote:
This result is probably better for MVP.
Skill vs skill matchup vs Vega is better than having to face a captain like PPD with the young Dubu at the helm. Isn't Dubu oldest on the team? Is he not the guy who has only been playing dota for like 2 years? On May 01 2016 22:14 Azarkon wrote:On May 01 2016 22:12 nojok wrote:On May 01 2016 22:11 Azarkon wrote:
Arteezy and Universe obviously have more skill, but Arteezy and PPD are not able to play together just as they weren't able to in 2015 so in the end, what can you do. The only big problem is that Arteezy took Universe with him. Zai as sub, let him get his diploma, kick bulba before TI and get zai in. Yes, I feel this is what they're going to do. Make an excuse for why they need to change. I don't think bulba, or any competitor, just goes quietly into the night like that. He'll do what is best for his team. Isn't that the way he is? bulba is playing incredibly sick, why would Zai fix anything? Bulba is a top player, but in the same class as the best player on Secret in 2015? Yes. Zai is not that good, he's probably the most overrated player in the history of the game right now Bulba came in to replace Universe, who many people think is the best in the world, and has been crushing it Not sure about the legitimacy in mentioning another overrated player to dismiss Zai. Universe is a great player, especially on Dark Seer, but Zai was possibly the breakout player of 2015.
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On May 01 2016 22:37 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 22:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
IMO Aui is too apprehensive. Artour has killer instinct. If he thinks for a microsecond he can kill you he's going for that kill 100% of the time. If he thinks he can get away with farming something he'll farm it 100% of the time. This leads to insane overwhelming farm and clowning on fools or it leads to a lot of deaths. But even if he's dying he's most likely got way more farm than anyone else because he rides the line so hard. I feel like Aui backs down and pussyfoots around too much right now. Hopefully he'll come around. Yes, but any team that plays with Arteezy, needs to play around Arteezy. That's why he and PPD does not work. PPD wants players who'll do what he wants; Arteezy wants players who'll do what he wants, and both won't back down. Only Puppey might have the ability to get Arteezy to do what he wants. But even so, on Secret we saw Arteezy fight with Kuroky; he's not an easy player to work with, is what I think.
What Arteezy wants is (in theory at least) what Jacky wants so this iteration might have better chances than the last one. I feel like Aui needs to get more with the times though as far as playstyle. Being reluctant isn't going to work in this day and age.
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On May 01 2016 22:39 OuchyDathurts wrote:#productionvalue Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 22:36 TanGeng wrote:On May 01 2016 22:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
IMO Aui is too apprehensive. Artour has killer instinct. If he thinks for a microsecond he can kill you he's going for that kill 100% of the time. If he thinks he can get away with farming something he'll farm it 100% of the time. This leads to insane overwhelming farm and clowning on fools or it leads to a lot of deaths. But even if he's dying he's most likely got way more farm than anyone else because he rides the line so hard. I feel like Aui backs down and pussyfoots around too much right now. Hopefully he'll come around. Autour really sucks at carrying though. You need to kick him out of safe farming spots in order to put him in position to have that killer instinct. And then if he is there, he needs to rein it in. His carry was amazing back in the day. I feel like him and Sumail cover a lot of the same ground as far as styles go so they don't really work together. On Secret I don't think his carry has ever been the problem with the team either time.
On Secret, he had a huge problem with the fact that Kuroky usually play for himself. You saw it in that game where Kuroky didn't sit him one game and he wasn't able to get farm, and then they had a team fight after the game.
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On May 01 2016 22:37 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 22:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
IMO Aui is too apprehensive. Artour has killer instinct. If he thinks for a microsecond he can kill you he's going for that kill 100% of the time. If he thinks he can get away with farming something he'll farm it 100% of the time. This leads to insane overwhelming farm and clowning on fools or it leads to a lot of deaths. But even if he's dying he's most likely got way more farm than anyone else because he rides the line so hard. I feel like Aui backs down and pussyfoots around too much right now. Hopefully he'll come around. Yes, but any team that plays with Arteezy, needs to play around Arteezy. That's why he and PPD does not work. PPD wants players who'll do what he wants; Arteezy wants players who'll do what he wants, and both won't back down. Only Puppey might have the ability to get Arteezy to do what he wants. But even so, on Secret we saw Arteezy fight with Kuroky; he's not an easy player to work with, is what I think.
Arteezy is probably the most highly regarded player that never won a TI.
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Sanya12364 Posts
On May 01 2016 22:39 OuchyDathurts wrote:#productionvalue Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 22:36 TanGeng wrote:On May 01 2016 22:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
IMO Aui is too apprehensive. Artour has killer instinct. If he thinks for a microsecond he can kill you he's going for that kill 100% of the time. If he thinks he can get away with farming something he'll farm it 100% of the time. This leads to insane overwhelming farm and clowning on fools or it leads to a lot of deaths. But even if he's dying he's most likely got way more farm than anyone else because he rides the line so hard. I feel like Aui backs down and pussyfoots around too much right now. Hopefully he'll come around. Autour really sucks at carrying though. You need to kick him out of safe farming spots in order to put him in position to have that killer instinct. And then if he is there, he needs to rein it in. His carry was amazing back in the day. I feel like him and Sumail cover a lot of the same ground as far as styles go so they don't really work together. On Secret I don't think his carry has ever been the problem with the team either time.
It's always the same problem with Artezzy; he's too farm heavy and disrupts better income distribution. It's ok if you just steamroll enemies or if enemies throw back the lead. Much worse if you need to manage space well or maintain fighting condition against a well matched team.
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On May 01 2016 22:37 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 22:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
IMO Aui is too apprehensive. Artour has killer instinct. If he thinks for a microsecond he can kill you he's going for that kill 100% of the time. If he thinks he can get away with farming something he'll farm it 100% of the time. This leads to insane overwhelming farm and clowning on fools or it leads to a lot of deaths. But even if he's dying he's most likely got way more farm than anyone else because he rides the line so hard. I feel like Aui backs down and pussyfoots around too much right now. Hopefully he'll come around. Yes, but any team that plays with Arteezy, needs to play around Arteezy. That's why he and PPD does not work. PPD wants players who'll do what he wants; Arteezy wants players who'll do what he wants, and both won't back down. Only Puppey might have the ability to get Arteezy to do what he wants. But even so, on Secret we saw Arteezy fight with Kuroky; he's not an easy player to work with, is what I think. I agree with some of it. They should have played around RTZ, but they failed at large, because they also wanted to cater to Universe, Sumail, and to some extent Fear. RTZ was often great, but the whole team couldn't synergize all that well, because it is the definition of greedy players where no one wants to make sacrifices, thus they never played to his strengths, but sat between several stools. The composition was wrong, as is it in Secret, imho.
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On May 01 2016 22:42 MaCRo.gg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 22:37 Azarkon wrote:On May 01 2016 22:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
IMO Aui is too apprehensive. Artour has killer instinct. If he thinks for a microsecond he can kill you he's going for that kill 100% of the time. If he thinks he can get away with farming something he'll farm it 100% of the time. This leads to insane overwhelming farm and clowning on fools or it leads to a lot of deaths. But even if he's dying he's most likely got way more farm than anyone else because he rides the line so hard. I feel like Aui backs down and pussyfoots around too much right now. Hopefully he'll come around. Yes, but any team that plays with Arteezy, needs to play around Arteezy. That's why he and PPD does not work. PPD wants players who'll do what he wants; Arteezy wants players who'll do what he wants, and both won't back down. Only Puppey might have the ability to get Arteezy to do what he wants. But even so, on Secret we saw Arteezy fight with Kuroky; he's not an easy player to work with, is what I think. Arteezy is probably the most highly regarded player that never won a TI.
It depends, if you mean currently good, yes, probably, if you mean all time, maybe burning?
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On May 01 2016 22:41 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 22:39 OuchyDathurts wrote:#productionvalue On May 01 2016 22:36 TanGeng wrote:On May 01 2016 22:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
IMO Aui is too apprehensive. Artour has killer instinct. If he thinks for a microsecond he can kill you he's going for that kill 100% of the time. If he thinks he can get away with farming something he'll farm it 100% of the time. This leads to insane overwhelming farm and clowning on fools or it leads to a lot of deaths. But even if he's dying he's most likely got way more farm than anyone else because he rides the line so hard. I feel like Aui backs down and pussyfoots around too much right now. Hopefully he'll come around. Autour really sucks at carrying though. You need to kick him out of safe farming spots in order to put him in position to have that killer instinct. And then if he is there, he needs to rein it in. His carry was amazing back in the day. I feel like him and Sumail cover a lot of the same ground as far as styles go so they don't really work together. On Secret I don't think his carry has ever been the problem with the team either time. On Secret, he had a huge problem with the fact that Kuroky usually plays for himself. You saw it in that game where Kuroky didn't sit him and he died over and over.
Yeah, but Arteezy was never the problem on Secret. Artour WAS Secret at TI5, he was playing his heart out but he was fighting alone. Last tourney Universe looked terrible but Arteezy played out of his fucking mind.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On May 01 2016 22:42 MaCRo.gg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 22:37 Azarkon wrote:On May 01 2016 22:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
IMO Aui is too apprehensive. Artour has killer instinct. If he thinks for a microsecond he can kill you he's going for that kill 100% of the time. If he thinks he can get away with farming something he'll farm it 100% of the time. This leads to insane overwhelming farm and clowning on fools or it leads to a lot of deaths. But even if he's dying he's most likely got way more farm than anyone else because he rides the line so hard. I feel like Aui backs down and pussyfoots around too much right now. Hopefully he'll come around. Yes, but any team that plays with Arteezy, needs to play around Arteezy. That's why he and PPD does not work. PPD wants players who'll do what he wants; Arteezy wants players who'll do what he wants, and both won't back down. Only Puppey might have the ability to get Arteezy to do what he wants. But even so, on Secret we saw Arteezy fight with Kuroky; he's not an easy player to work with, is what I think. Arteezy is probably the most highly regarded player that never won a TI.
That's a stretch.
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surely the first lina is gonna win it
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On May 01 2016 22:39 OuchyDathurts wrote:#productionvalue Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 22:36 TanGeng wrote:On May 01 2016 22:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
IMO Aui is too apprehensive. Artour has killer instinct. If he thinks for a microsecond he can kill you he's going for that kill 100% of the time. If he thinks he can get away with farming something he'll farm it 100% of the time. This leads to insane overwhelming farm and clowning on fools or it leads to a lot of deaths. But even if he's dying he's most likely got way more farm than anyone else because he rides the line so hard. I feel like Aui backs down and pussyfoots around too much right now. Hopefully he'll come around. Autour really sucks at carrying though. You need to kick him out of safe farming spots in order to put him in position to have that killer instinct. And then if he is there, he needs to rein it in. His carry was amazing back in the day. I feel like him and Sumail cover a lot of the same ground as far as styles go so they don't really work together. On Secret I don't think his carry has ever been the problem with the team either time.
Carrying when he was carry on Secret was heavily dependent on stacking, and Secret was absolutely godly about stacking. When Kuro would use Naga and micro illusions at five different camps at once to stack them all, that kind of insane play pays off with your carry getting fat super fast.
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On May 01 2016 22:44 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 22:41 Azarkon wrote:On May 01 2016 22:39 OuchyDathurts wrote:#productionvalue On May 01 2016 22:36 TanGeng wrote:On May 01 2016 22:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
IMO Aui is too apprehensive. Artour has killer instinct. If he thinks for a microsecond he can kill you he's going for that kill 100% of the time. If he thinks he can get away with farming something he'll farm it 100% of the time. This leads to insane overwhelming farm and clowning on fools or it leads to a lot of deaths. But even if he's dying he's most likely got way more farm than anyone else because he rides the line so hard. I feel like Aui backs down and pussyfoots around too much right now. Hopefully he'll come around. Autour really sucks at carrying though. You need to kick him out of safe farming spots in order to put him in position to have that killer instinct. And then if he is there, he needs to rein it in. His carry was amazing back in the day. I feel like him and Sumail cover a lot of the same ground as far as styles go so they don't really work together. On Secret I don't think his carry has ever been the problem with the team either time. On Secret, he had a huge problem with the fact that Kuroky usually plays for himself. You saw it in that game where Kuroky didn't sit him and he died over and over. Yeah, but Arteezy was never the problem on Secret. Artour WAS Secret at TI5, he was playing his heart out but he was fighting alone. Last tourney Universe looked terrible but Arteezy played out of his fucking mind. I agree with this.
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yo,
RTC in terms of movements, understanding and knowhow is and was top 2 pos.1 with change. probably second only to miracle- in terms of item building and mechanics.
and if u wanna argue let's set up a 1v1 mid lobby
u can name yourself something anime, and i'll call myself skepta.
i am 100% a miracle fan as he is a very special player. but credit is due even if he has enough of a wrong idea about the game which contributes to a finals loss.
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Sanya12364 Posts
On May 01 2016 22:42 MaCRo.gg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 22:37 Azarkon wrote:On May 01 2016 22:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
IMO Aui is too apprehensive. Artour has killer instinct. If he thinks for a microsecond he can kill you he's going for that kill 100% of the time. If he thinks he can get away with farming something he'll farm it 100% of the time. This leads to insane overwhelming farm and clowning on fools or it leads to a lot of deaths. But even if he's dying he's most likely got way more farm than anyone else because he rides the line so hard. I feel like Aui backs down and pussyfoots around too much right now. Hopefully he'll come around. Yes, but any team that plays with Arteezy, needs to play around Arteezy. That's why he and PPD does not work. PPD wants players who'll do what he wants; Arteezy wants players who'll do what he wants, and both won't back down. Only Puppey might have the ability to get Arteezy to do what he wants. But even so, on Secret we saw Arteezy fight with Kuroky; he's not an easy player to work with, is what I think. Arteezy is probably the most highly regarded player that never won a TI.
BurNIng still #1
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RTZ needs to go back to a proper 2 if he wants to win anything. His superior farm doesn't mean as much in this meta. A top heavy pos1 farm can't do anything alone with the comeback gold mechanics and new cheap utility items that are more worth farming on poorer teammates.
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On May 01 2016 22:42 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2016 22:39 OuchyDathurts wrote:#productionvalue On May 01 2016 22:36 TanGeng wrote:On May 01 2016 22:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
IMO Aui is too apprehensive. Artour has killer instinct. If he thinks for a microsecond he can kill you he's going for that kill 100% of the time. If he thinks he can get away with farming something he'll farm it 100% of the time. This leads to insane overwhelming farm and clowning on fools or it leads to a lot of deaths. But even if he's dying he's most likely got way more farm than anyone else because he rides the line so hard. I feel like Aui backs down and pussyfoots around too much right now. Hopefully he'll come around. Autour really sucks at carrying though. You need to kick him out of safe farming spots in order to put him in position to have that killer instinct. And then if he is there, he needs to rein it in. His carry was amazing back in the day. I feel like him and Sumail cover a lot of the same ground as far as styles go so they don't really work together. On Secret I don't think his carry has ever been the problem with the team either time. It's always the same problem with Artezzy; he's too farm heavy and disrupts better income distribution. It's ok if you just steamroll enemies or if enemies throw back the lead. Much worse if you need to manage space well or maintain fighting condition against a well matched team.
Its fine if you have one player that does that, not two. On EG with Sumail there's 2 people doing the same thing. I think this Secret might suit his style the best currently, provided Universe can get back on track, he's been slumping for a few months IMO.
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What was the lady with the Legion hood, the Bloodseeker kilt, and the CM wand even supposed to be? Rubick after too many steals? :b
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
the lack of audio volume consistency is killing my ears
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On May 01 2016 22:50 RubickPicker wrote:
What was the lady with the Legion hood, the Bloodseeker kilt, and the CM wand even supposed to be? Rubick after too many steals? :b
beastmaster with aghs lol
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