EPT[WePlay League] Season 3 Lan Stage - Day 2 - Page 14
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Zea!
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stuchiu
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
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MaCRo.gg
Korea (South)860 Posts
On May 01 2016 01:26 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fnatic can dominate SEA all they want, but MVP have proven themselves more capable within international tournament, and that's a trade I'm sure they can rest easy with. Korean ping to SEA is actually pretty brutal. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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Still very cool style to watch, MVP has their own distinctive way of playing DotA and you can't knock em for that | ||
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nanaoei
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On May 01 2016 01:26 PhoenixVoid wrote: Fnatic can dominate SEA all they want, but MVP have proven themselves more capable within international tournament, and that's a trade I'm sure they can rest easy with. we have a patch situation with a team who i'd say is quite good at adapting and creating stuff, mvp. right before this tourney, they got an invite to starladder which they 'nuked' out of. and before that, they didn't qualify for a couple events since they were not a direct invite. they got hammered to the floor by fnatic. so in those cases (which will prolly happen quite often), it does matter quite a bit to be able to get past the gatekeepers. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
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nanaoei
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Zea!
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
On May 01 2016 01:29 nanaoei wrote: we have a patch situation with a team who i'd say is quite good at adapting and creating stuff, mvp. right before this tourney, they got an invite to starladder which they 'nuked' out of. and before that, they didn't qualify for a couple events since they were not a direct invite. they got hammered to the floor by fnatic. so in those cases (which will prolly happen quite often), it does matter quite a bit to be able to get past the gatekeepers. It's a good point you raise that MVP won't be playing in these mid-tier tournaments when Fnatic is taking all the qualifiers by storm. But if MVP can keep consistent in Majors/TI and reach that key top 6 position and qualify by default, they'll probably keep their success in the big tournaments if we're going by recent showings. Fnatic's issue is that they can qualify, but still have yet to translate their qualifier success to a win or really impressive result. | ||
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nanaoei
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On May 01 2016 01:28 Kuroeeah wrote: The problem with MVP I've always had is that they're just not versatile. They are a team that still almost always relies on QO having a good game and their team fighting even though he fixed his terrible problem of not tilting as hard and throwing the game. Still very cool style to watch, MVP has their own distinctive way of playing DotA and you can't knock em for that well i'm just going to comment that practically any team does this. 1 position scales as best as possible, then 5v5 often occurs as though the longer the game gets, so does that sort of critical mass. people forget their NP games (or games where they had their NP banned almost every game), bounty, and rather split-pushy style. i think it's all due to how they tend to take control of the game and try to end as soon as possible. you learn a lot more from those games than you do from playing absolutely safe and drafting to bank on a good opportunity arises with spectre follow-ups. can they play ember games? ya. they practiced specifically for those and do it often on mmr games. can they play naga or PA games and draft for that? i guarantee it. are they playing alch veno games like wings? i mean sort of lol. they made slardar veno work, right? let that sink in. the only thing i haven't seen them do is play a wyvern/dazzle style and the crazy thing is, it could still work, at least that's what it seems to me. | ||
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Azarkon
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nanaoei
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On May 01 2016 01:33 PhoenixVoid wrote: It's a good point you raise that MVP won't be playing in these mid-tier tournaments when Fnatic is taking all the qualifiers by storm. But if MVP can keep consistent in Majors/TI and reach that key top 6 position and qualify by default, they'll probably keep their success in the big tournaments if we're going by recent showings. Fnatic's issue is that they can qualify, but still have yet to translate their qualifier success to a win or really impressive result. yeah that is for sure with the invites at all it's just a sour shame that they don't get to compete in epicenter or i believe the recent manila tourney, right after their hot streak at dotapit. i would say that epicenter is pretty much a major tournament with its 600grand prize pool, and esl was a large part of the recent manila major invites even though MVP was basically guaranteed one. luckily it cancels out there. but hey it's all good, it's not like fnatic isn't a great team. maybe jsut not at the same international level as you say. it certainly feels that way right now. i wonder how mush is doing honestly. initially he as just going to be out for a couple weeks or so, but i guess the deal with 343 has to stay on so long as they've qualified for all this good stuff. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
But I'm really curious to see them at TI in a huge group stage. The Meta shifts alone might be their biggest worry. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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nanaoei
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i'm completely guilty of not watching their games all the way through with their new roster, with the times (right now an example), and... i don't know, maybe i'm just overstressing how boring it is to me. so far their average game length has been over 40m a pop, if i haven't missed some stomps this past day. granted, atleast a couple of them (i think 3) were AM games that started with vanguard (and i'm not even going to try to comment on that), which drags out the game a little by little, in a perfect world situation. i'll try to pay full attention to this next set, but sincerely hope they don't go past 40m each as well at least without some entirely new picks. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On May 01 2016 01:56 nanaoei wrote: in full honesty, i'm hoping for a different direction from the way EG have been playing their games. i'm completely guilty of not watching their games all the way through with their new roster, with the times (right now an example), and... i don't know, maybe i'm just overstressing how boring it is to me. so far their average game length has been over 40m a pop, if i haven't missed some stomps this past day. granted, atleast a couple of them (i think 3) were AM games that started with vanguard (and i'm not even going to try to comment on that), which drags out the game a little by little, in a perfect world situation. i'll try to pay full attention to this next set, but sincerely hope they don't go past 40m each as well at least without some entirely new picks. ya how dare they win | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 01 2016 01:51 plasmidghost wrote: I'd love to see an EG vs MVP finals Be fun to see, but I'm unsure if EG is quite that stable yet. And Empire aren't scrubs, either. Plus, Vega likes to throw really curveball drafts at EG, which occasionally works. I say that, but it's still Lower Bracket EG. Knocking EG out in an elimination match is brutally hard. | ||
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