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[ESL One] Manila 2016 - Finals Day! - Page 73

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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
April 24 2016 14:04 GMT
#1441
WP Wings! Legit win.
Brood War loyalist
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66286 Posts
April 24 2016 14:04 GMT
#1442
On April 24 2016 23:04 malcram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:01 Nyan wrote:
staying together paid off. like it did for vega.
I hope they stick together and finda sponsor ;-)


redbull obviously

perfect hahaha
POGGERS
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-24 14:04:33
April 24 2016 14:04 GMT
#1443
On April 24 2016 23:03 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
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On April 24 2016 23:00 Azarkon wrote:
Well, the problem with a win in the last two tournaments, is that suddenly the West is going to wake the fuck up and watch and study your every game. The big Manila is still the West's to take, but we'll see how well Newbee and such do.

lmao.

what about West lacking talents and proper management?


West is in no way in lack of either; these two weeks are the first time China has done well in A YEAR.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
April 24 2016 14:04 GMT
#1444
On April 24 2016 23:02 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:01 Racket wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:01 Azarkon wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:00 Racket wrote:
On April 24 2016 22:58 Azarkon wrote:
Many teams win because they were the first team to figure out the strategy for a tournament. Koreans did it, Miracle's team did it, VGR did it, and now another team has done it. It is what it is.

Thing is we are at the end of a patch, not every case you mentioned fits the given context.


Game develops regardless of whether there are changes.

Yep, but what you say is a bad generalization.


It isn't. The teams that win are usually those who find out what to do in a tournament, not the teams that just play the best with the same heroes.

Man, you generalize when you say China is bad and you get picky when a chinese team rocks a tournament. Get your opinions right. That is why you get called out so bad this time.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
April 24 2016 14:04 GMT
#1445
On April 24 2016 23:02 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:01 Racket wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:01 Azarkon wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:00 Racket wrote:
On April 24 2016 22:58 Azarkon wrote:
Many teams win because they were the first team to figure out the strategy for a tournament. Koreans did it, Miracle's team did it, VGR did it, and now another team has done it. It is what it is.

Thing is we are at the end of a patch, not every case you mentioned fits the given context.


Game develops regardless of whether there are changes.

Yep, but what you say is a bad generalization.


It isn't. The teams that win are usually those who find out what to do in a tournament, not the teams that just play the best with the same heroes.

Exactly. Asians are inherently smarter so it's understandable that the Chinese are always ahead of us
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
April 24 2016 14:04 GMT
#1446
On April 24 2016 23:03 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:00 Azarkon wrote:
Well, the problem with a win in the last two tournaments, is that suddenly the West is going to wake the fuck up and watch and study your every game. The big Manila is still the West's to take, but we'll see how well Newbee and such do.

lmao.

what about West lacking talents and proper management?

Same players rotating between squads, West dead scene, can't adapt, no young blood.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
April 24 2016 14:04 GMT
#1447
China as a scene is still not back. In the past you have LGD IG dk vici etc easily filling up the top few spots, even if thry loss to navi/alliance etc. I still don't think this trend has returned yet, because western teams have improved tremendously while the Chinese have regressed.

Congrats to wings, they were the best team this tournament.
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
April 24 2016 14:04 GMT
#1448
On April 24 2016 23:02 BurningSera wrote:
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On April 24 2016 23:00 konadora wrote:
i just love the fact that wings won all their series in style and with different hero picks

yeah fuck your meta, pick kotl, veno, alchemist and win all the games

gg well fucking played, really hoping to see more of them


yes, so refreshing to see such performance and picks. new blood team ftw


i am seriously changing my team flag if they show the same performance like this in next tourney


Urgh. This; this so much. Seeing Veno 1v4 at the end of the game sent me into chuckles esp. So entertaining. :x
RIP DotA Kings | BurNIng : Mushi : iceiceice : LaNm : MMY!
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
April 24 2016 14:05 GMT
#1449
On April 24 2016 23:01 uriel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:00 Andre wrote:
On April 24 2016 22:58 Azarkon wrote:
Many teams win because they were the first team to find out the strategy for a tournament. Koreans did it, Miracle's team did it, VGR did it, and now another team has done it. It is what it is.

what's the strategy? if you look at their games it was quite varied, nothing that would really persist throughout the games. some abuse of the rubberband though.


I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams

May I put your quote to my signature. good sir?
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
turpentine
Profile Joined November 2015
1624 Posts
April 24 2016 14:05 GMT
#1450
On April 24 2016 23:02 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:01 Racket wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:01 Azarkon wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:00 Racket wrote:
On April 24 2016 22:58 Azarkon wrote:
Many teams win because they were the first team to figure out the strategy for a tournament. Koreans did it, Miracle's team did it, VGR did it, and now another team has done it. It is what it is.

Thing is we are at the end of a patch, not every case you mentioned fits the given context.


Game develops regardless of whether there are changes.

Yep, but what you say is a bad generalization.


It isn't. The teams that win are usually those who find out what to do in a tournament, not the teams that just play the best with the same heroes.


And? What's your point? Given that, as you just said, this applies to most teams, how does this take away from wings' win?
Book of Funn1k, 3:22 "YOU RUINED MY LIFE AND NOW YOU TALK ABOUT 0-7 TUSK?? I would so fuckin Walrus Punch you that you will get stunned for 1 year."
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
April 24 2016 14:05 GMT
#1451
On April 24 2016 23:03 haduken wrote:
one of the wings dude looks like 40 yo

he's almost bald wtf

Still more hair than Loda
rip
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
April 24 2016 14:05 GMT
#1452
On April 24 2016 23:04 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:03 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:00 Azarkon wrote:
Well, the problem with a win in the last two tournaments, is that suddenly the West is going to wake the fuck up and watch and study your every game. The big Manila is still the West's to take, but we'll see how well Newbee and such do.

lmao.

what about West lacking talents and proper management?


West is in no way in lack of either; these two weeks are the first time China has done well in A YEAR.

lets just not remember ehome trashing eg
FTD
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
April 24 2016 14:05 GMT
#1453
On April 24 2016 23:04 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:03 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:00 Azarkon wrote:
Well, the problem with a win in the last two tournaments, is that suddenly the West is going to wake the fuck up and watch and study your every game. The big Manila is still the West's to take, but we'll see how well Newbee and such do.

lmao.

what about West lacking talents and proper management?


West is in no way in lack of either; these two weeks are the first time China has done well in A YEAR.

china vs the world, wat do u expect
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 24 2016 14:05 GMT
#1454
On April 24 2016 23:04 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:03 haduken wrote:
one of the wings dude looks like 40 yo

he's almost bald wtf

one punch man D:


I became bald.

And then I was strong.
Moderator
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
April 24 2016 14:06 GMT
#1455
On April 24 2016 22:58 Azarkon wrote:
Many teams win because they were the first team to find out the strategy for a tournament. Koreans did it, Miracle's team did it, VGR did it, and now another team has done it. It is what it is.

you should go into politics.
your party will never loose any vote. I'm 100% sure of it.
At least when you are allowed to comment on it
passive quaranstream fan
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
April 24 2016 14:06 GMT
#1456
On April 24 2016 23:00 konadora wrote:
i just love the fact that wings won all their series in style and with different hero picks

yeah fuck your meta, pick kotl, veno, alchemist and win all the games

gg well fucking played, really hoping to see more of them


This. Teams should stop worrying about fucking metas and just explore new ways to counter the fotm heroes. That said, nerf the fucking Invoker :D
The Real Power~
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
April 24 2016 14:06 GMT
#1457
On April 24 2016 23:05 TomatoBisque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:03 haduken wrote:
one of the wings dude looks like 40 yo

he's almost bald wtf

Still more hair than Loda


savage
Rillanon.au
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 24 2016 14:06 GMT
#1458
On April 24 2016 23:04 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:02 Azarkon wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:01 Racket wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:01 Azarkon wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:00 Racket wrote:
On April 24 2016 22:58 Azarkon wrote:
Many teams win because they were the first team to figure out the strategy for a tournament. Koreans did it, Miracle's team did it, VGR did it, and now another team has done it. It is what it is.

Thing is we are at the end of a patch, not every case you mentioned fits the given context.


Game develops regardless of whether there are changes.

Yep, but what you say is a bad generalization.


It isn't. The teams that win are usually those who find out what to do in a tournament, not the teams that just play the best with the same heroes.

Man, you generalize when you say China is bad and you get picky when a chinese team rocks a tournament. Get your opinions right. That is why you get called out so bad this time.


China was bad, and the old Chinese teams/players are terrible. In any case, what do you want me to say, this team is the best team in the world? Come the fuck on even you don't believe that.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
April 24 2016 14:06 GMT
#1459
On April 24 2016 23:04 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:03 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:00 Azarkon wrote:
Well, the problem with a win in the last two tournaments, is that suddenly the West is going to wake the fuck up and watch and study your every game. The big Manila is still the West's to take, but we'll see how well Newbee and such do.

lmao.

what about West lacking talents and proper management?


West is in no way in lack of either; these two weeks are the first time China has done well in A YEAR.

First half of year never mattered in Dota pro scene.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
April 24 2016 14:07 GMT
#1460
So great production, great games, great crowd, it sets the bar very high for the next major imo.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
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