• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:04
CEST 18:04
KST 01:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0
StarCraft 2
General
Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu BW General Discussion StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET NA Team League 6/8/2025 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 22495 users

[Shanghai Major] Main Event - Day 1 - Page 86

Forum Index > Dota 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 84 85 86 87 88 144 Next
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
March 02 2016 09:07 GMT
#1701
is this okay to show on youtube?
this is some r-18 massacre right now
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
roronoe
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada1527 Posts
March 02 2016 09:08 GMT
#1702
Not just mvp playing well, lgd is just playing bad.
The Purgatory of Endless Depths
DonDomingo
Profile Joined October 2015
504 Posts
March 02 2016 09:09 GMT
#1703
Such a pleasure to see Chen have no impact
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 09:09:34
March 02 2016 09:09 GMT
#1704
Anyone who thought they were suddenly going to improve gave me lelz. You guys still don't learn when it comes to Chinese teams.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
March 02 2016 09:09 GMT
#1705
On March 02 2016 18:02 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 17:52 Racket wrote:
I don't get it, a lot of people blaming Valve, a lot defending Valve.
Whether they are to blame or not, you must think this:
- If you are gonna outsource your second most important tournament, you should at least demand some kind of standards
- If the standards are not met then you should hire another organization
- If there is none other then you should realize that demands could be forced with more money
- If you don't step up on the money then you are to blame simply because you accepted your terms were not met and went on with it
- If you know all this and host a Major in China anyway then you are doing it wrong and you are to blame

China has history, their tournaments are always the messiest ones, if you don't know that then I don't know what you are doing as one of the largest gaming companies in the world.


Outsourcing is the easiest way for a company to do nothing and achieve the desired result, outsourcing means spending more money while bearing less responsibilities, if they (as any other company) don't want to deal with the whole thing, it is safe to outsource but it is their job to ensure standards are met.

When you buy a computer that doesn't work properly you blame the brand not the factory, and when you see it was assembled/made in China you know why it works the way it does and then you realize that company loves to save money instead of delivering a good product.
The day you decide to buy a japanese Fender instead of a chinese one is the day you realize any Major hosted in China will worse than any other Major, as long as the choice to host it there is Valve's and the standards are not forced, it is Valve's fault.

This field of work is not based on promises and and friendship, at least not for such a large tournament. Valve is not allowed to wield the "they delivered something different than the contract we signed with them" argument.


They can blame whoever they want but it won't change shit. Chinese companies don't care about the English audience. They get no/little benefit from making sure it works for us, so they don't even try. The best choice is to not hold it in China, of course. But the next best choice is to just not use a Chinese company, and to run the whole English side from another country.

All these problems were avoided in a lot of earlier tournaments simply by not having the English people in China when the tournament is going on. THAT is the source of these problems.

how is this relevant when it's the entire production that's a mess? hugely delayed games. non-soundproof booths
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
March 02 2016 09:09 GMT
#1706
i really dont understand the decision making here...

why would u even both to contest rune when your opponent have that kinda of line up
Rillanon.au
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
March 02 2016 09:10 GMT
#1707
11 minute level 6 chen
oh buddy oh boy, that's when you know,
game is hard.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
Khz
Profile Joined March 2011
126 Posts
March 02 2016 09:10 GMT
#1708
Went to buy groceries after the Alliance vs Liquid series ended and now I'm opening the stream to see game one has just started. Seems like everything is still going as smoothly as it has thus far.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
March 02 2016 09:11 GMT
#1709
On March 02 2016 18:09 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 18:02 Azarkon wrote:
On March 02 2016 17:52 Racket wrote:
I don't get it, a lot of people blaming Valve, a lot defending Valve.
Whether they are to blame or not, you must think this:
- If you are gonna outsource your second most important tournament, you should at least demand some kind of standards
- If the standards are not met then you should hire another organization
- If there is none other then you should realize that demands could be forced with more money
- If you don't step up on the money then you are to blame simply because you accepted your terms were not met and went on with it
- If you know all this and host a Major in China anyway then you are doing it wrong and you are to blame

China has history, their tournaments are always the messiest ones, if you don't know that then I don't know what you are doing as one of the largest gaming companies in the world.


Outsourcing is the easiest way for a company to do nothing and achieve the desired result, outsourcing means spending more money while bearing less responsibilities, if they (as any other company) don't want to deal with the whole thing, it is safe to outsource but it is their job to ensure standards are met.

When you buy a computer that doesn't work properly you blame the brand not the factory, and when you see it was assembled/made in China you know why it works the way it does and then you realize that company loves to save money instead of delivering a good product.
The day you decide to buy a japanese Fender instead of a chinese one is the day you realize any Major hosted in China will worse than any other Major, as long as the choice to host it there is Valve's and the standards are not forced, it is Valve's fault.

This field of work is not based on promises and and friendship, at least not for such a large tournament. Valve is not allowed to wield the "they delivered something different than the contract we signed with them" argument.


They can blame whoever they want but it won't change shit. Chinese companies don't care about the English audience. They get no/little benefit from making sure it works for us, so they don't even try. The best choice is to not hold it in China, of course. But the next best choice is to just not use a Chinese company, and to run the whole English side from another country.

All these problems were avoided in a lot of earlier tournaments simply by not having the English people in China when the tournament is going on. THAT is the source of these problems.

how is this relevant when it's the entire production that's a mess? hugely delayed games. non-soundproof booths


I didn't say it's going to result in a perfect tournament. You put it in China, that's what you'll always get, but it won't have so many OTHER problems having to do with the English side specifically.
eX Killy
Profile Joined November 2012
Taiwan906 Posts
March 02 2016 09:11 GMT
#1710
dubu god
telling it like it is
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
March 02 2016 09:12 GMT
#1711
rip china oh well
secret - never again
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
March 02 2016 09:12 GMT
#1712
Why are all the chen players in pro games not able to chain centaur stomp correctly? :D
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
March 02 2016 09:12 GMT
#1713
Silly LGD, picking Razor when you haven't FATA on your team...
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
March 02 2016 09:13 GMT
#1714
this is atrocious
Rillanon.au
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
March 02 2016 09:13 GMT
#1715
What is going on
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
March 02 2016 09:13 GMT
#1716
Losing creeps like that as Chen is the worst.
@Munck
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51472 Posts
March 02 2016 09:13 GMT
#1717
Wow Chen creeps rip
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
March 02 2016 09:13 GMT
#1718
Nice zoo.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
March 02 2016 09:13 GMT
#1719
On March 02 2016 18:12 HammerKick wrote:
Why are all the chen players in pro games not able to chain centaur stomp correctly? :D


Very few Chinese players actually know how to play Chen. It's not "all Chen players."
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28085 Posts
March 02 2016 09:13 GMT
#1720
Always love seeing finger used on supports in the early game. Almost 1 shot.
Administrator
Prev 1 84 85 86 87 88 144 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 56m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech81
mouzHeroMarine 39
EnDerr 19
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7633
Sea 6541
Hyuk 1648
Rain 1385
Snow 431
Soulkey 156
Zeus 110
PianO 105
sorry 87
HiyA 70
[ Show more ]
hero 47
TY 44
Rush 39
Terrorterran 29
Nal_rA 25
Noble 18
Yoon 15
IntoTheRainbow 10
zelot 6
Barracks 0
Dota 2
Gorgc6537
qojqva3309
Fuzer 201
League of Legends
Dendi1427
Counter-Strike
fl0m5812
olofmeister2370
Foxcn155
rGuardiaN102
Super Smash Bros
Chillindude34
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor173
Other Games
singsing2644
FrodaN869
C9.Mang0670
Beastyqt526
Mlord477
crisheroes416
Hui .206
ArmadaUGS147
Mew2King98
XaKoH 85
elazer84
Trikslyr79
KnowMe67
Organizations
StarCraft 2
WardiTV1003
Other Games
BasetradeTV25
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 12
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 13
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3573
• lizZardDota277
League of Legends
• Nemesis4806
• Jankos2874
• TFBlade1094
Upcoming Events
OSC
4h 56m
ArT vs ReBellioN
HonMonO vs Ziomek
Shameless vs LunaSea
MilkiCow vs GgMaChine
Moja vs HiGhDrA
Jumy vs TBD
Demi vs NightPhoenix
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
7h 56m
OSC
7h 56m
WardiTV Invitational
18h 56m
OSC
20h 56m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 10h
SOOP
1d 16h
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
1d 17h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 18h
Cheesadelphia
1d 22h
[ Show More ]
CSO Cup
2 days
GSL Code S
2 days
Rogue vs herO
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.