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On March 02 2016 17:52 Racket wrote:
This field of work is not based on promises and and friendship, at least not for such a large tournament. Valve is not allowed to wield the "they delivered something different than the contract we signed with them" argument.
Everything you said is probably somewhat true, but that is not how it works in China.
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so did they do anything about the booths
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Pandemona
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LOL playing tic tac toe on mini map xd
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why the game is resumed ? is the major all about delay and pause ?
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Man you can tell from Cap's tone he's suffering. Feel bad for these guys right now.
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On March 02 2016 17:52 Racket wrote:
I don't get it, a lot of people blaming Valve, a lot defending Valve.
Whether they are to blame or not, you must think this:
- If you are gonna outsource your second most important tournament, you should at least demand some kind of standards
- If the standards are not met then you should hire another organization
- If there is none other then you should realize that demands could be forced with more money
- If you don't step up on the money then you are to blame simply because you accepted your terms were not met and went on with it
- If you know all this and host a Major in China anyway then you are doing it wrong and you are to blame
China has history, their tournaments are always the messiest ones, if you don't know that then I don't know what you are doing as one of the largest gaming companies in the world.
Outsourcing is the easiest way for a company to do nothing and achieve the desired result, outsourcing means spending more money while bearing less responsibilities, if they (as any other company) don't want to deal with the whole thing, it is safe to outsource but it is their job to ensure standards are met.
When you buy a computer that doesn't work properly you blame the brand not the factory, and when you see it was assembled/made in China you know why it works the way it does and then you realize that company loves to save money instead of delivering a good product.
The day you decide to buy a japanese Fender instead of a chinese one is the day you realize any Major hosted in China will worse than any other Major, as long as the choice to host it there is Valve's and the standards are not forced, it is Valve's fault.
This field of work is not based on promises and and friendship, at least not for such a large tournament. Valve is not allowed to wield the "they delivered something different than the contract we signed with them" argument.
They can blame whoever they want but it won't change shit. Chinese companies don't care about the English audience. They get no/little benefit from making sure it works for us, so they don't even try. The best choice is to not hold it in China, of course. But the next best choice is to just not use a Chinese company, and to run the whole English side from another country.
All these problems were avoided in a lot of earlier tournaments simply by not having the English people in China when the tournament is going on. THAT is the source of these problems.
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On March 02 2016 17:56 uriel- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 17:52 Racket wrote:
This field of work is not based on promises and and friendship, at least not for such a large tournament. Valve is not allowed to wield the "they delivered something different than the contract we signed with them" argument. Everything you said is probably somewhat true, but that is not how it works in China.
In my country it is the same, that is why I know the state of things.
Sadly we have to suffer something we like instead of enjoying it.
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Get rekt in mid by almighty Razor, son
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LMAO what a disasterous turn of events dat s4 rune
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On March 02 2016 18:02 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 17:52 Racket wrote:
I don't get it, a lot of people blaming Valve, a lot defending Valve.
Whether they are to blame or not, you must think this:
- If you are gonna outsource your second most important tournament, you should at least demand some kind of standards
- If the standards are not met then you should hire another organization
- If there is none other then you should realize that demands could be forced with more money
- If you don't step up on the money then you are to blame simply because you accepted your terms were not met and went on with it
- If you know all this and host a Major in China anyway then you are doing it wrong and you are to blame
China has history, their tournaments are always the messiest ones, if you don't know that then I don't know what you are doing as one of the largest gaming companies in the world.
Outsourcing is the easiest way for a company to do nothing and achieve the desired result, outsourcing means spending more money while bearing less responsibilities, if they (as any other company) don't want to deal with the whole thing, it is safe to outsource but it is their job to ensure standards are met.
When you buy a computer that doesn't work properly you blame the brand not the factory, and when you see it was assembled/made in China you know why it works the way it does and then you realize that company loves to save money instead of delivering a good product.
The day you decide to buy a japanese Fender instead of a chinese one is the day you realize any Major hosted in China will worse than any other Major, as long as the choice to host it there is Valve's and the standards are not forced, it is Valve's fault.
This field of work is not based on promises and and friendship, at least not for such a large tournament. Valve is not allowed to wield the "they delivered something different than the contract we signed with them" argument. They can blame whoever they want but it won't change shit. Chinese companies don't care about the English audience. They get no/little benefit from making sure it works for us, so they don't even try. The best choice is to not hold it in China, of course. But the next best choice is to just not use a Chinese company, and to run the whole English side from another country. All these problems were avoided in a lot of earlier tournaments simply by not having the English people in China when the tournament is going on. THAT is the source of these problems.
True. The pauses and waits though I don't think they have anything to do with the English side, those are for everyone.
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ember shut down in cs then the gank happened
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If you're going to pause at least signal it and give a reason.
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this is a disaster for maybe
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On March 02 2016 18:04 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 18:02 Azarkon wrote:On March 02 2016 17:52 Racket wrote:
I don't get it, a lot of people blaming Valve, a lot defending Valve.
Whether they are to blame or not, you must think this:
- If you are gonna outsource your second most important tournament, you should at least demand some kind of standards
- If the standards are not met then you should hire another organization
- If there is none other then you should realize that demands could be forced with more money
- If you don't step up on the money then you are to blame simply because you accepted your terms were not met and went on with it
- If you know all this and host a Major in China anyway then you are doing it wrong and you are to blame
China has history, their tournaments are always the messiest ones, if you don't know that then I don't know what you are doing as one of the largest gaming companies in the world.
Outsourcing is the easiest way for a company to do nothing and achieve the desired result, outsourcing means spending more money while bearing less responsibilities, if they (as any other company) don't want to deal with the whole thing, it is safe to outsource but it is their job to ensure standards are met.
When you buy a computer that doesn't work properly you blame the brand not the factory, and when you see it was assembled/made in China you know why it works the way it does and then you realize that company loves to save money instead of delivering a good product.
The day you decide to buy a japanese Fender instead of a chinese one is the day you realize any Major hosted in China will worse than any other Major, as long as the choice to host it there is Valve's and the standards are not forced, it is Valve's fault.
This field of work is not based on promises and and friendship, at least not for such a large tournament. Valve is not allowed to wield the "they delivered something different than the contract we signed with them" argument. They can blame whoever they want but it won't change shit. Chinese companies don't care about the English audience. They get no/little benefit from making sure it works for us, so they don't even try. The best choice is to not hold it in China, of course. But the next best choice is to just not use a Chinese company, and to run the whole English side from another country. All these problems were avoided in a lot of earlier tournaments simply by not having the English people in China when the tournament is going on. THAT is the source of these problems. True. The pauses and waits though I don't think they have anything to do with the English side, those are for everyone.
Yes, but those aren't as big of an issue. They occur everywhere as well.
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On March 02 2016 18:05 Pandemona wrote:Im starting to think it might be beneficial to just not watch live and watch vods through dota 2 game client :s This is a disaster 
Made in China ^_^
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On March 02 2016 18:06 lolnoty wrote:
mvp lookin good
Their opponent is easy.
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MVP is actually so damn good at this style of Dota.
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EPT
