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Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
February 26 2016 05:59 GMT
#641
On February 26 2016 14:57 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2016 14:56 Dracolich70 wrote:
Well, PPD himself uses the tournament to figure out what to draft.

yea and from the vg interview it seems like fy wants to try the same this tourney
Think only few have a firm grasp over what will work at this level and what suits their style other than [A] and perhaps a few others. There have not been a whole lot of high level tournaments as of late to test it.
LiangHao
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
February 26 2016 05:59 GMT
#642
On February 26 2016 14:51 DucK- wrote:
Actually I don't think practice is an issue for Vici. Its the same old problem of shit drafts. Vici have huge peak potential, they can play pretty much anything. They are just limited by their draft time and time again.

I mean in football terms your team could be Barcelona and even then its hard to win a team like arsenal when you start every game 0-3 down.

with the current Barcelona, you'd need to make it 0-6 or something because Arsenal is so gonna get murdered at Camp Nou.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
molecu
Profile Joined June 2013
347 Posts
February 26 2016 06:00 GMT
#643
You guys might be onto something. This is hearsay, but don't Chinese pros don't play in pubs and play primarily in CDEC In-house?

Look at MVP they play in China pubs when Chinese teams don't wanna scrim them. Western players spam pubs.
it all matters
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
February 26 2016 06:00 GMT
#644
On February 26 2016 14:59 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2016 14:51 DucK- wrote:
Actually I don't think practice is an issue for Vici. Its the same old problem of shit drafts. Vici have huge peak potential, they can play pretty much anything. They are just limited by their draft time and time again.

I mean in football terms your team could be Barcelona and even then its hard to win a team like arsenal when you start every game 0-3 down.

with the current Barcelona, you'd need to make it 0-6 or something because Arsenal is so gonna get murdered at Camp Nou.

Arsenal already lost 0-2 at home
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
February 26 2016 06:00 GMT
#645
On February 26 2016 14:59 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2016 14:57 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On February 26 2016 14:56 Dracolich70 wrote:
Well, PPD himself uses the tournament to figure out what to draft.

yea and from the vg interview it seems like fy wants to try the same this tourney
Think only few have a firm grasp over what will work at this level and what suits their style other than [A] and perhaps a few others. There have not been a whole lot of high level tournaments as of late to test it.

Having a firm grasp is meaningless anyway. These kind of tournaments have their own meta develop, and rightly so.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-26 06:01:45
February 26 2016 06:01 GMT
#646
On February 26 2016 15:00 molecu wrote:
You guys might be onto something. This is hearsay, but don't Chinese pros don't play in pubs and play primarily in CDEC In-house?

Look at MVP they play in China pubs when Chinese teams don't wanna scrim them. Western players spam pubs.

vg and ig players all stream pubs tho... maybe they dont tryhard as hard tho considering korea seems on top
posting on liquid sites in current year
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-26 06:03:04
February 26 2016 06:01 GMT
#647
On February 26 2016 14:59 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2016 14:51 DucK- wrote:
Actually I don't think practice is an issue for Vici. Its the same old problem of shit drafts. Vici have huge peak potential, they can play pretty much anything. They are just limited by their draft time and time again.

I mean in football terms your team could be Barcelona and even then its hard to win a team like arsenal when you start every game 0-3 down.

with the current Barcelona, you'd need to make it 0-6 or something because Arsenal is so gonna get murdered at Camp Nou.
Well, Arsenal managed to beat Bayern away from home after losing at home in the group stages, as far as I remember. Maybe it was City last year.
LiangHao
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
February 26 2016 06:03 GMT
#648
maybe chinese pubs are too good. 8k+ mmr in NA is actually 10k mmr in china
High Risk Low Reward
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-26 06:05:11
February 26 2016 06:05 GMT
#649
speaking of why china isn't doing well, where is xiao8? is he going to do his normal "I'm retired until I get a $1m signing bonus"
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
shad2810
Profile Joined August 2013
Malaysia2682 Posts
February 26 2016 06:05 GMT
#650
The only thing that vici got going for them, is their white jacket. It looks sick
Proud owner of Fnatic and Clutch Gamers's Discussion Page
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-26 06:08:18
February 26 2016 06:06 GMT
#651
On February 26 2016 15:00 molecu wrote:
You guys might be onto something. This is hearsay, but don't Chinese pros don't play in pubs and play primarily in CDEC In-house?

Look at MVP they play in China pubs when Chinese teams don't wanna scrim them. Western players spam pubs.


Look at this: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/101450083/activity

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/93119769/activity

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/88933594/activity

And then this: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/101695162/activity

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/113800818/activity

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/90882159/activity

The difference is pretty obvious.

Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
February 26 2016 06:07 GMT
#652
On February 26 2016 15:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2016 14:59 Dracolich70 wrote:
On February 26 2016 14:57 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On February 26 2016 14:56 Dracolich70 wrote:
Well, PPD himself uses the tournament to figure out what to draft.

yea and from the vg interview it seems like fy wants to try the same this tourney
Think only few have a firm grasp over what will work at this level and what suits their style other than [A] and perhaps a few others. There have not been a whole lot of high level tournaments as of late to test it.

Having a firm grasp is meaningless anyway. These kind of tournaments have their own meta develop, and rightly so.
The sooner you find what suits you the better, and the more strings you have to play on, the less likely are you to be cornered.

Meta is only meaningful, if you are ahead of it.
LiangHao
Ultimo Hombre
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia1436 Posts
February 26 2016 06:07 GMT
#653
On February 26 2016 15:05 lolnoty wrote:
speaking of why china isn't doing well, where is xiao8? is he going to do his normal "I'm retired until I get a $1m signing bonus"

Speculation is that he wants to play with LGD but there aren't any vacancies
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
February 26 2016 06:08 GMT
#654
he waits until rotk gets his teeth pulled and steps in.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
February 26 2016 06:10 GMT
#655
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
deathzz
Profile Joined September 2011
669 Posts
February 26 2016 06:12 GMT
#656
VS 6/6 wins
Korean overlords
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
February 26 2016 06:13 GMT
#657
On February 26 2016 15:06 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2016 15:00 molecu wrote:
You guys might be onto something. This is hearsay, but don't Chinese pros don't play in pubs and play primarily in CDEC In-house?

Look at MVP they play in China pubs when Chinese teams don't wanna scrim them. Western players spam pubs.


Look at this: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/101450083/activity

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/93119769/activity

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/88933594/activity

And then this: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/101695162/activity

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/113800818/activity

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/90882159/activity

The difference is pretty obvious.

MVPs advantage is that they have a plethora of source material of their opponents, while no one cared to look at them. It is like when few had any source material on Chinese scene or it was very scarce, while the Western scene had it in abundance, making it much easier to map styles/strategies of said teams. PPD did much of the same, when EG did fuck all, while EU played all the time.
LiangHao
molecu
Profile Joined June 2013
347 Posts
February 26 2016 06:13 GMT
#658
On February 26 2016 15:06 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2016 15:00 molecu wrote:
You guys might be onto something. This is hearsay, but don't Chinese pros don't play in pubs and play primarily in CDEC In-house?

Look at MVP they play in China pubs when Chinese teams don't wanna scrim them. Western players spam pubs.


Look at this: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/101450083/activity

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/93119769/activity

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/88933594/activity

And then this: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/101695162/activity

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/113800818/activity

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/90882159/activity

The difference is pretty obvious.



holy fuck china dissing pubs
it all matters
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
February 26 2016 06:14 GMT
#659
Why isn't Sylla picked anymore? His nerfs were not nearly bad enough to warrant him falling out of the meta it just made his annoyance factor near rosh less severe
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 26 2016 06:15 GMT
#660
Well, Team Spirit is in the "if we can't beat Alliance, we'll just BE Alliance" mode.
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