EPTMost of the game was lost on Io and ES getting rekt trying to save the carries from a good initiation. Without Io/ ES alive there was no way to outlast Alliance's sustain.
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
Most of the game was lost on Io and ES getting rekt trying to save the carries from a good initiation. Without Io/ ES alive there was no way to outlast Alliance's sustain. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:14 LethalBacon wrote: Yeah I agree. I also think s4 is having a momentum based revival with his boys. Sick plays with batrider, puck, and picking signature heroes for his team no matter what's the current meta. They don't care and they realized they just need to do what they're good at, because you know what, it works anyway. Dude I'm loving this! Imo he learned this from Puppey, I aways feel like Puppey is prioritizing comfort zone over meta. | ||
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Terrorbladder
2727 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:11 nojok wrote: "they're only good on a few heroes and 2013 hero pool is back"It seems they're only good on a few heroes and 2013 heropool is back. Will they do the epic 6 months winstreak they did back then? There's that meme again. Argument dismissed. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:13 Talin wrote: I don't know about that, considering the number of whiffed Chronosphers and Blacks Holes and Sufails I've seen earlier. I think Alliance is more likely to win it tbh. LGD was dodging really, really well. There was only 1 really whiffed Chrono & Black Hole. Something Alliance actually didn't do too well this game: they grouped up too much to get hit by Earth Spirit's Boulder. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:15 Furikawari wrote: EG will rekt any of this 2 teams for sure. I would like to see S4 dancing on Artour's corpse but frankly I dont see it happening. EG may very well end up winning, but it's quite exaggerated to say that they're playing on a much higher level. The other semifinal was derpy as fuck just as this one is, and Alliance seem to have some kind of determination/perseverance that might just push them over the edge. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:10 Terrorbladder wrote: Now I know it's too early to say anything about 2013 but does anyone else see that something has changed in Alliance? I mean something must have "kicked in" or something, a month or two ago they would lose this match after throwing away a lead like that and getting 1 lane of rax down. No a month or 2 ago, they would not have such a lead in the first place. Or if they do, its with heroes that's designed to have that, but then they lose the timing. Personally I still do not respect alliance recent achievements because they did not adapt to the meta, but the meta favoured them. A seasonal team like them should never be regarded as a best team. | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:16 Terrorbladder wrote: "they're only good on a few heroes and 2013 hero pool is back" There's that meme again. Argument dismissed. Actually it's true, but you could also argue that they got nerfed to the ground after TI3, so fuck the whiners. | ||
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turpentine
1624 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:16 Saechiis wrote: Liquid got rekt by the Alliance smokes. That smoke gank top on Matumbaman farming and Io sitting behind him into chain feed has happened multiple times in different games. I think they need to give up on the idea that teams don't expect the Io to be sitting behind him 100% of the times. Yeah, Alliance started doing what they should've been doing after only taking a ranged rax. Instead they just sat around waiting for Rosh | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Lol, s4 did more Hero Damage than the Death Prophet. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:11 nojok wrote: It seems they're only good on a few heroes and 2013 heropool is back. Will they do the epic 6 months winstreak they did back then? people keep saying this and really downplay exactly how disastrous the post-TI3 nerfs were to alliance those nerfs destroyed their core heropool (imagine how ti5 eg would look if techies, naga, ember, and dark seer were removed from the game), destroyed the laning/farming style they'd perfected (imagine how secret would look if split farming and defensive support styles were heavily nerfed), destroyed the strategies they'd honed (look at how all those chinese teams looked after push strats were officially dumpstered), and a few other tidbits besides they were on top of the world even after suffering nerfs to bat that meant s4 couldn't mid with him, nerfs to ld that removed him from the pool, and nerfs to mag that made the hero utter shit for like a year or so saying that they're just patch monsters is ignoring how badly they got targeted by those nerfs; right now, they've gotten a few of their core heroes back and are able to cobble together some of their old style again, but it's still nothing like what they used to be | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:17 DucK- wrote: Personally I still do not respect alliance recent achievements because they did not adapt to the meta, but the meta favoured them. A seasonal team like them should never be regarded as a best team. It seems like you're speaking about OG. | ||
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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:16 GinNtoniC wrote: I seriously doubt it considering how nerfed Alliance's heroes and playstyle was after TI 3  its a joke my bro.. stupid thing to blame the patch while liquid have ebola spirit 1st lose liquid ebola spirit though okay , let me calm down , and stop the trash talk | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:18 Taf the Ghost wrote: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2082949424 Lol, s4 did more Hero Damage than the Death Prophet. Bulldgo with highest tower damage. As it should be :D | ||
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Skillver
Austria1309 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:16 Saechiis wrote: Liquid got rekt by the Alliance smokes. That smoke gank top on Matumbaman farming and Io sitting behind him into chain feed has happened multiple times in different games. I think they need to give up on the idea that teams don't expect the Io to be sitting behind him 100% of the times. Most of the game was lost on Io and ES getting rekt trying to save the carries from a good initiation. Without Io/ ES alive there was no way to outlast Alliance's sustain. The strange thing is...they saw the smoke I think...they had a ward close. | ||
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Shergal
Argentina1191 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:15 nojok wrote: The level is definitely higher now but dota is more messy so it does not appear as clean as it was before. The level is not higher, just the amount of knowledge people have about the game (and that's even debatable when it comes to competitive, because knowledge about a given patch is generally more important than overall conceptual knowledge). In terms of mechanics and collective execution and synergy, even teams from 2008 or 2010 can pull out performances like these. It ebbs and flows, but atm I feel like if there's one word to define the competitive scene it's sloppy. | ||
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xyzz
567 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:18 Taf the Ghost wrote: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2082949424 Lol, s4 did more Hero Damage than the Death Prophet. like I said FATA played an embarassingly bad game, from getting his exorcisms stolen by rubick to forgetting to cast exorcism when a team fight is imminent and eulsing himself without exorcism up, to just general bad play and getting caught. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:15 walsh_walsh wrote: It's not 322 if the mistakes are forced by better play from the other team lol. Just because you're ahead, it doesn't mean youre guaranteed to win guys. loda jumping into DP and Gyro wasnt forced, matumbaman going without TP wasnt also (getting saved and inmediately going in wasnt forced also), akke getting caught for no reason, fata not using ulti for somereason at the start of a fight they lost horribly wasnt forced also, letting ti getting steal after about 5 seconds of being activated, etc.... i can agree with tou that some teamfights were godlike by both teams, but A LOT of stuff was just random | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:17 Dysisa wrote: I guess people are forgetting that this patch is still relatively new too, which will naturally make for a lot more experimental kinda games from teams. Saying the quality of Dota is in some kinda slump over that is just silly. It's the first Multi-Region Tournament after the patch. (WCA "counts", but not with the massive meta-differences between regions.) So we're seeing what does or does not work. And Death Prophet really has to be drafted specifically for. How does Exorcism work with Chronosphere? | ||
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