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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
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Last Edited: 2016-01-16 20:38:14
January 16 2016 20:37 GMT
#1161
I think one should separate the time Alliance has had s4 and the time they have not. Sure, their results dropped after TI3, but they weren't an irrelevant team by any means. They had some tournament wins in their region. The number of cross-region events wasn't as great as it is today so hard to compare those. Imo their result at TI4 was below what was a reasonable expectation. For example c9 was 5th-6th at TI4 but Alliance was performing better than them in the months leading up to TI.

After TI4 s4 left, and they had a lot of struggles with their roster. The other members couldn't really get things working without s4. I don't think that necessarily had much to do with the patches but just how big a piece s4 is of that team. Then s4 came back, and I don't think Alliance was that bad online even last patch. They had 2 dreadful LAN performances of course, but imo those performances were clearly below what could be expected based on their online play. Now they changed their roster, patch definitely switched in favor of them, and they seem to do well again. But I don't think the gap from them to the top was necessarily that huge even last patch. I would have expected them to at least have a reasonable showing even at Frankfurt based on how they looked before that.

Alliance maybe jumps out as a team that hasn't done well in some patches because of how dominant they were in the TI3 era. Few players/teams have been consistently very close to the top, some others have consistently been a bit behind the best teams. But I think Alliance's biggest struggles can simply be put down to s4 being a crucial piece of the lineup that the other players need to find success, and with s4 they have been at least relatively competitive all the time imo.
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
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Last Edited: 2016-01-16 21:53:58
January 16 2016 21:39 GMT
#1162
Alliance post TI3 results before TI4:

2nd at Starladder 7
2nd at WePlay Dota2League Season2
3rd ASUS ROG Dreamleague
3rd EMS One Fall Season Finals
1st Fragbite Masters 2013
4th Dota2league
1st Dota2 Champions League Season 1
2nd Starladder 8
3rd XMG Captains Draft International
4th Dota2 Champions League Season 2
5-6th Starladder 9
1st Dreamhack Bucharest
4th WPC 2014
1st ASUS ROG Dramleague Season 1
3rd Dota2 Champions League Season 3
3-4th ESL ONE Frankfurt


These are Alliance results before TI4 Fiasco, then S4 and EGM left and we had a rough year (at some point, even Bulldong took a break) but getting top 4 at every event they partecipated was a great result, saying that post TI3 Alliance was bad is just the usual blind hate of people to discredit the team.
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mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3789 Posts
January 16 2016 21:47 GMT
#1163
On January 17 2016 06:39 Zea! wrote:


These are Alliance results before TI4 Fiasco, then S4 and EGM left and we had a rough year but getting top 4 at every event they partecipated was a great result, saying that post TI3 Alliance was bad is just the usual blind hate of people to discredit the team.



While I would agree some people did that but I have to point out others ragged on Alliance because the expectations were higher for them. You get a lot more goodwill and heartache for being a frontrunner falling from grace.
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