EPT[Starladder] Season 13 LAN Finals Playoffs Day 2 - Page 57
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Zea!
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Habitus
United Kingdom120 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:25 bluzi wrote: He is a great player , there isnt ANY player that didnt had up & downs , bad patches and bad performance , Alliance are a top team and Loda a top carry in that team , Duck is not mentioning that he is asked to play offensive trilanes more often the most carries(which is really hard to do well and stressful as well) and spacemakers #1 (Slardar). That comes down to how Bulldog farms more than most offlaners and S4 plays tempo more than most mids. Loda plays as a 2 in safe lane 75% time, and rest of time is split between a 1 if Bulldog is brood/clock/ds style hero or a 3 if s4 ends up on a more farming mid (really rare but happens) | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:23 sunrazgriz wrote: ggrats alex garfield ! true winner ! didnt he sell the org like years ago | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
The patch partially undid a few things that were specifically targeted at stopping Alliance in 2013. Largely this was not because they were unfair or overpowered or cheesy. They were just solid. And so they remain. There's nothing really cheesy about what has changed for Alliance. You look at Liquid with DP, ES, Oracle and you consider that more indicative of real Dota than Alliance because LD got pulled out of the bin, safe lane creep equilibrium was moved back a little and Batrider exists? Yeah, maybe Savage Roar is something, or maybe there's another example, but it's really not to the extent of what other heroes have right now or other things that have existed in recent patches. If you look at the Dota Alliance is playing on this patch I feel like it's really hard to consider it specifically less-Dota-y than other recent metas. | ||
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goody153
44260 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:25 bluzi wrote: He is a great player , there isnt ANY player that didnt had up & downs , bad patches and bad performance , Alliance are a top team and Loda a top carry in that team , Duck is not mentioning that he is asked to play offensive trilanes more often the most carries(which is really hard to do well and stressful as well) and spacemakers #1 (Slardar). The thing is while loda can do his job and more importantly has synergy with the team. Which is the important part. But loda is definitely not one of the best carries. Loda isn't the only doing offensive trilanes, every other carry does that more alot and well.(there's shit ton of ember 1 position, cancer pony 1 positions, lina 1 position etc etc ) And loda is one of the carries that least plays spacemakers and is not very good at those roles. He's not very good at aggressive roles, he's the best when he's playing ricer. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:26 Dysisa wrote: Guys I think it's safe to say that DP is way too strong right now http://www.datdota.com/tournament.php?q=495&tournament=StarSeries i-League 13&p=heroes Yeah, EG & LGD had that bit figured out in game 1. Liquid hadn't figured that out. Which is probably what actually cost them the series. For all of the plays/throws/chokes, Death Prophet was just an early patch flash-in-the-pan hero. (Strong laning and it can snowball, but other carries can as well.) If FATA was on something else with more burst damage, this would have looked pretty different. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
still the owner, during TI5 at least | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
 I gather that he is just a good role player then, he does what he needs to for his team within his role | ||
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goody153
44260 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:29 Zea! wrote: Only idiots can think Loda is a bad player, he's the most flexible carry in the scene, and he's tremendously smart in taking decisions, i'd never change him with anyone. He can do his job and his not bad but him being flexible is definitely not true, he's not a very effective aggressive carry, he works the best with heroes that farm most of the time. That's like calling s4 on his underwhelming farming mid heroes really good. if you call him flexible then calling burning, rtz, hao, envy, fear(well generally he plays any role ) flexible would be super understatement | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:29 Zea! wrote: Only idiots can think Loda is a bad player, he's the most flexible carry in the scene, and he's tremendously smart in taking decisions, i'd never change him with anyone. Uh no Your Alliance flair is showing | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:31 Lachrymose wrote: So let's talk about Alliance being a patch team. Again. The patch partially undid a few things that were specifically targeted at stopping Alliance in 2013. Largely this was not because they were unfair or overpowered or cheesy. They were just solid. And so they remain. There's nothing really cheesy about what has changed for Alliance. You look at Liquid with DP, ES, Oracle and you consider that more indicative of real Dota than Alliance because LD got pulled out of the bin, safe lane creep equilibrium was moved back a little and Batrider exists? Yeah, maybe Savage Roar is something, or maybe there's another example, but it's really not to the extent of what other heroes have right now or other things that have existed in recent patches. If you look at the Dota Alliance is playing on this patch I feel like it's really hard to consider it specifically less-Dota-y than other recent metas. What this patch has done is: 1) Allow Alliance to reliably play LD/NP + 1 carry. 2) Free bulldog from playing a playmaking role 3) Allow s4 to play playmaking heroes without sacrificing a dual core strat | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:29 Zea! wrote: Only idiots can think Loda is a bad player, he's the most flexible carry in the scene, and he's tremendously smart in taking decisions, i'd never change him with anyone. I'm pretty sure that title goes to fear, actually, though he's technically dq'd by no longer playing carry loda makes all heroes look more or less the same, despite having an extremely large and flexible hero pool, while fear used to do absolutely anything asked of him and make it look good | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:35 Acritter wrote: I'm pretty sure that title goes to fear, actually, though he's technically dq'd by no longer playing carry loda makes all heroes look more or less the same, despite having an extremely large and flexible hero pool, while fear used to do absolutely anything asked of him and make it look good If there is a title to the best versatile player, I'd agree it would be fear. Any hero, any role, top quality performance. | ||
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Zea!
9589 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:35 Acritter wrote: I'm pretty sure that title goes to fear, actually, though he's technically dq'd by no longer playing carry loda makes all heroes look more or less the same, despite having an extremely large and flexible hero pool, while fear used to do absolutely anything asked of him and make it look good Yea, Fear is the only one player that i can think of as a type of atypical carry like Loda. | ||
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Yurie
12082 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:32 goody153 wrote: The thing is while loda can do his job and more importantly has synergy with the team. Which is the important part. But loda is definitely not one of the best carries. Loda isn't the only doing offensive trilanes, every other carry does that more alot and well.(there's shit ton of ember 1 position, cancer pony 1 positions, lina 1 position etc etc ) And loda is one of the carries that least plays spacemakers and is not very good at those roles. He's not very good at aggressive roles, he's the best when he's playing ricer. The heroes I classically remember LodA for are heroes such as CK, PA and Riki. All of them somewhat aggressive carries. He was also one of the few playing Slardar before it made it big. He is a good ricer but I think it is wrong to call him bad at the spacemaking carry roles http://www.datdota.com/stats.php?p=heroes&hero=&player=83&side=0&patch=0&season=0&event=&team=&prize=0®ion=0&team_opp=&in_wins=0&match_time=0&day_after=&month_after=&year_after=&day_before=&month_before=&year_before=&average=true. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
he is farming and killing heroes isnt that the role of the carry ?, he is getting from A to B, whatever happens in between doesnt matter | ||
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goody153
44260 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:40 Yurie wrote: The heroes I classically remember LodA for are heroes such as CK, PA and Riki. All of them somewhat aggressive carries. He was also one of the few playing Slardar before it made it big. He is a good ricer but I think it is wrong to call him bad at the spacemaking carry roles http://www.datdota.com/stats.php?p=heroes&hero=&player=83&side=0&patch=0&season=0&event=&team=&prize=0®ion=0&team_opp=&in_wins=0&match_time=0&day_after=&month_after=&year_after=&day_before=&month_before=&year_before=&average=true. That doesn't mean he has the alot of games in the heroes means he's effective at it. Quantity is not equal quality PA, CK and Riki are a few heroes for the way he plays for his team , do you watch him play ? and about PA, you know that rtz is not an aggressive player, right ? check out his PA stats the "aggresive" hero http://www.datdota.com/stats.php?p=heroes&hero=&player=649&side=0&patch=0&season=0&event=&team=&prize=0®ion=0&team_opp=&in_wins=0&match_time=0&day_after=&month_after=&year_after=&day_before=&month_before=&year_before=&average=true 20-3 yeah we should also call him great aggressive player now .. and when it comes to sheer numbers we should also call envy the best luna player in the world | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:44 Faruko wrote: who cares he is farming and killing heroes isnt that the role of the carry ?, he is getting from A to B, whatever happens in between doesnt matter Some don't need much help from their team to get things done because of their playstyle. They're the one creating space for their team. For example, the way envy finds farm in the map and wastes their time trying to gank him successfully. It is different styles. Envy can play like what loda does, but the inverse isn't true. Not saying one is better than the other or anything. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:35 DucK- wrote: What this patch has done is: 1) Allow Alliance to reliably play LD/NP + 1 carry. 2) Free bulldog from playing a playmaking role 3) Allow s4 to play playmaking heroes without sacrificing a dual core strat My point is what's wrong with that? What's so unfair about these things? Why is being good at that not indicative of actually being good at something worthwhile? | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
he is a fine player, using 'great player' is probably a little subjective but his past records surely hold some words (while A sucked for the past 2.5 years is also a record lol) | ||
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