EPTI'm pretty sure it's the pressure alliance reliably put on all lanes that did it, which never gave him the opportunity to go in and get kills, meaning all he could do was teamfight later when his team was already behind because he was dead weight for the first 10 minutes
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
I'm pretty sure it's the pressure alliance reliably put on all lanes that did it, which never gave him the opportunity to go in and get kills, meaning all he could do was teamfight later when his team was already behind because he was dead weight for the first 10 minutes | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:18 Acritter wrote: any thoughts from the crowd on why jerax es was so underwhelming? he wasn't just choking, given that he pulled off crazy combos from time to time, but nothing he did seemed to make a difference in the way that his typical es does I'm pretty sure it's the pressure alliance reliably put on all lanes that did it, which never gave him the opportunity to go in and get kills, meaning all he could do was teamfight later when his team was already behind because he was dead weight for the first 10 minutes S4 didnt ban ES so probably there's some plan they had in mind to counter it and it must have work. One of the pro stuff we don't see. | ||
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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:19 Furikawari wrote: S4 didnt ban ES so probably there's some plan they had in mind to counter it and it must have work. One of the pro stuff we don't see. there were none, s4 do it only for the s4lt that ebola did a good job in game 1 | ||
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wims80
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SaltySam
65 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:16 Gear 3rd wrote: Not liking a team because of a small number of fans is very silly. Oh man this forum is a salt mine :D doesnt even depend on which side you look. And thank you A fans for showing me once more why i just cant find myself liking this team (even though i try to  )Maybe i am a tiny bit salty about the stomp that happened just now.. but really just a little so dont bother | ||
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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:19 Furikawari wrote: S4 didnt ban ES so probably there's some plan they had in mind to counter it and it must have work. One of the pro stuff we don't see. It helped, especially in game 2, that the Liquid Cores were best taken care of by kiting them. Earth Spirit really needs you to group up to land those group silence/stuns. [A] did some the first game, but they mostly stayed unclumped from there on. But they also shut down Jerax's farm in game 2. That helped a lot. Plus they killed Jerax 9 times in game 2. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:21 wims80 wrote: It seemed like the relatively inexperienced players on Liquid was really feeling the pressure of the huge live esports crowd. It's not like playing games online at all, but it was a valuable learning experience for them. They are still very strong, definitely one of the strongest teams in the world. Perhaps stronger than Alliance, but not today Well football teams tend to sign old experienced players for the same reason when things start to get shaky, you need those guys that can keep up with the pressure, alliance is full of those players, liquid... only Kuro ? maybe fata | ||
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Gear 3rd
1244 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:22 SaltySam wrote: Not liking a team because of a small number of fans is very silly. Well i didnt say they are the reason i dont like em but they remind me why i dont. your way of reading it is a possible way but not necessarily what i implied. but nvm | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:18 Muffloe wrote: so loda isn't a great player? is it that he dropped off, or wasn't he considered great even at ti3? im doto noob so fill me in He is a great player , there isnt ANY player that didnt had up & downs , bad patches and bad performance , Alliance are a top team and Loda a top carry in that team , Duck is not mentioning that he is asked to play offensive trilanes more often the most carries(which is really hard to do well and stressful as well) and spacemakers #1 (Slardar). | ||
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Skillver
Austria1309 Posts
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:18 Muffloe wrote: so loda isn't a great player? is it that he dropped off, or wasn't he considered great even at ti3? im doto noob so fill me in Loda's been considered average / overrated by many people for a very long time. I think it's like another poster here said, he's not the best player of his role by any stretch, but his style fits the team and he's consistent enough to get the job done, plus obviously he has chemistry with his teammates and he is, as far as I know, their out of game leader as well? He doesn't often win games 'by himself' in a flashy, obvious way carries like Envy or Arteezy do but does sometimes lose games single-handedly so some people hate him for that; others, like me, dislike his attitude - at least what can be seen over social media etc. Former part of that can be attributed to the role he plays, with heavy initiators, giving up farm priority to Bulldog while fighting with his team from the get go etc; the latter, shrug, many people say he's a great guy in person etc. | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
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Skillver
Austria1309 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:26 Salazarz wrote: He doesn't often win games 'by himself' in a flashy, obvious way carries like Envy or Arteezy do but does sometimes lose games single-handedly so some people hate him for that; others, like me, dislike his attitude - at least what can be seen over social media etc. I wonder what people hate about it? I follow his updates regularly and the posts seem pretty normal and mostly even humble. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:18 Muffloe wrote: so loda isn't a great player? is it that he dropped off, or wasn't he considered great even at ti3? im doto noob so fill me in I'm not saying he is bad. Neither am I saying he is the best. I suppose I'm praising him as a person that always gets a B+ grade without fail. Seldom to you see him however making the special plays like s4/envy does that turns a loss game into a win. That is not a bad thing though because his team doesn't count on him to do that, his team count of him to perform a certain role/expectation which he always am able to do so. You seldom see Loda doing illidan things... | ||
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4ZakeN87
Sweden1071 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:18 Muffloe wrote: so loda isn't a great player? is it that he dropped off, or wasn't he considered great even at ti3? im doto noob so fill me in I am alliance fan and in my opinion Loda aint a great individual player. He is a efficient farmer and once he gets the farm he can get the job done. But he doesn't play particularly complicated heroes and rarely do I see him do moves that strikes me as "brilliant". Worse he fairly frequently does mistakes that end up costing alliance a lot. Like when he over extends in game number one now, there was no vision and he is far away from his team and it is close to roshpit. Very close to being game ending mistake. But somehow he provides the backbone which alliance needs, while S4, EGM and bulldog stand for the brilliance of the team imho. | ||
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:23 sunrazgriz wrote: ggrats alex garfield ! true winner ! Tomorrow EG1 vs EG2 | ||
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SaltySam
65 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:25 Gear 3rd wrote: Ah okay. The way you worded it makes it seem that way, but no problem. Just word it differently next time. Well i didnt say they are the reason i dont like em but they remind me why i dont. your way of reading it is a possible way but not necessarily what i implied. but nvm  | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On January 17 2016 02:18 Muffloe wrote: so loda isn't a great player? is it that he dropped off, or wasn't he considered great even at ti3? im doto noob so fill me in loda is the kind of player who has many heroes who he can play, but only really plays one hero, if you get what I mean on basically every hero he plays, he goes in for a heavy mix of farm and aggression, trying to bowl the other team over without sacrificing his ability to contribute to the key lategame alliance teamfights (there are rare exceptions, like his naga, but I think that alliance just choose a host for some eternal malevolent spirit they've entered into contract with whenever they play that hero) it's extremely rare that loda is ever the one to take over games, even when he gets crazy high kill streaks: he simply provides the necessary carry slot that his team requires, dealing damage and running at people as is needed he tends to be extremely potent in scrappy fights, along with the rest of alliance, capable of winning lanes easily and dealing disproportionate amounts of damage, but can't 1v5 the way some of the carries on other top teams can in general, his weaknesses are his overaggression and his inability to be a distinct, individual threat: while s4 and bulldog have big targets painted on their back and attract lots of attention, loda just doesn't threaten the opposition in the same way, instead functioning as a sort of farming space creator as for his development, there really isn't any way for him to develop, or any direction in which it can happen, given that he has more than expansive enough of a hero pool that he can't be banned out and enough individual skill to do what needs to be done, and as a result he's more or less the same player as he was two or three years ago | ||
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