EPTIt could be them too if they don't perform. There's not enough games of them to come to this conclusion yet though. The same can't be said for alliance.
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DucK-
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It could be them too if they don't perform. There's not enough games of them to come to this conclusion yet though. The same can't be said for alliance. | ||
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Furikawari
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:16 Furikawari wrote: Imo he learned this from Puppey, I aways feel like Puppey is prioritizing comfort zone over meta. I mean it does help a lot that a bunch of their comfort picks were buffed back into the meta this patch. | ||
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HammerKick
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xyzz
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Daray
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bluzi
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On January 17 2016 01:17 DucK- wrote: No a month or 2 ago, they would not have such a lead in the first place. Or if they do, its with heroes that's designed to have that, but then they lose the timing. Personally I still do not respect alliance recent achievements because they did not adapt to the meta, but the meta favoured them. A seasonal team like them should never be regarded as a best team. Duck you are blind by hate or something? , what meta OP heroes did they use this last game ? come on ? tell me which ones ? Chen , and ? what else ? who else picks weaver ? puck ? , rubik and jug are not popular at all and weaver/puck never see play.... but whatever the meta . | ||
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Zea!
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Kamisamanachi
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On January 17 2016 01:18 Acritter wrote: people keep saying this and really downplay exactly how disastrous the post-TI3 nerfs were to alliance those nerfs destroyed their core heropool (imagine how ti5 eg would look if techies, naga, ember, and dark seer were removed from the game), destroyed the laning/farming style they'd perfected (imagine how secret would look if split farming and defensive support styles were heavily nerfed), destroyed the strategies they'd honed (look at how all those chinese teams looked after push strats were officially dumpstered), and a few other tidbits besides they were on top of the world even after suffering nerfs to bat that meant s4 couldn't mid with him, nerfs to ld that removed him from the pool, and nerfs to mag that made the hero utter shit for like a year or so saying that they're just patch monsters is ignoring how badly they got targeted by those nerfs; right now, they've gotten a few of their core heroes back and are able to cobble together some of their old style again, but it's still nothing like what they used to be Yea , I am sure u are makin no sense as a team like eg will adapt to other heroes in that case instead of clinging to same thing for 2 years. | ||
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chairs
Singapore120 Posts
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:22 SupLilSon wrote: I mean it does help a lot that a bunch of their comfort picks were buffed back into the meta this patch. Bat or Puck buffed back? I don't think so. It looks obvious for some of bulldog's heroes but for S4 I'm not convinced. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:23 xyzz wrote: why the death prophet again? fata can't play it Nah, DP is a hero that plays itself. Fata needs to not get caught or make beginner mistakes with Rubick on the team, if he keeps making those kinds of mistakes, it doesn't really matter which hero they draft for him. | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
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LethalBacon
Spain355 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:17 DucK- wrote: Personally I still do not respect alliance recent achievements because they did not adapt to the meta, but the meta favoured them. A seasonal team like them should never be regarded as a best team. And Im feeling like they are kind of ignoring the meta with these picks instead of picking meta-favoured heroes... | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:23 bluzi wrote: Duck you are blind by hate or something? , what meta OP heroes did they use this last game ? come on ? tell me which ones ? Chen , and ? what else ? who else picks weaver ? puck ? , rubik and jug are not popular at all and weaver/puck never see play.... but whatever the meta . meta OP heroes? Chen, for example. Also, weaver/puck were buffed into game, to the point where both are picked. As for rubick, jug, those remain meta in any patch for a while now. | ||
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bluzi
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Titusmaster6
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Taf the Ghost
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On January 17 2016 01:20 Shergal wrote: The level is not higher, just the amount of knowledge people have about the game (and that's even debatable when it comes to competitive, because knowledge about a given patch is generally more important than overall conceptual knowledge). In terms of mechanics and collective execution and synergy, even teams from 2008 or 2010 can pull out performances like these. It ebbs and flows, but atm I feel like if there's one word to define the competitive scene it's sloppy. I think you're right that the pro scene is kinda sloppy, but it's been this way since TI3 in the west and since TI4 in the east the two patches in question dealt really heavy blows to the internal organization of the game, which up to that point had been really tight: TI3-era lanes were extremely regular and well-organized, which leads to clean play, while TI4-era play was based entirely around push/teamfight and stall/teamfight (the push style of chinese teams eventually won over eg's stall style) having lost those solid and stable frameworks, there's not as much that teams can really rely on in long-term organizational practice, because the types of movements which are good and the ones which get you killed tend to vary so much from patch to patch these days there were other flaws from older teams and by no means has the overall skill level decreased in the scene, but tight and clean gameplay is basically only demonstrated by tier 1 teams on their good days | ||
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