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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On December 10 2015 12:30 Emnjay808 wrote: Just got home from school after catching OG losging game 1 to VS carry. What happened game 2? PLS SOMEONE TLDR ME Huskar + Dazzle + Blink Tusk for additional saves is strong. | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On December 10 2015 12:28 FuzzyJAM wrote: Totally contradicting yourself. Anyway, here is what OG needed for an offlaner: someone who wasn't going to constantly die in lane - didn't need to risk himself because it's fine to be mostly starved, even in levels. Further, someone who is good at initiation despite not having an item, and also good at counter-initiation, and also good at scouting. Because they did not have this, Venge could rely on kills and Bounty to keep her up in networth (key weakness of VG draft), and also OG had no vision for the constant swaps. Further, because of the importance and lack of proper ways of dealing with the Swaps and other disables, SF had to build tanky - which meant he wasn't doing damage. Tiny doing damage is not actually a particularly good thing - OG already had damaging hereos, they needed an offlaner to allow their cores to build for that and unleash it, not spread out who was doing damage. There you go, that's an extremely brief semi-drunk analysis. No doubt yours is much deeper, but given that you've literally said there's no way a Clock would dream of building a Force I'm not too fussed. You should try reading my posts. My case for Tiny the entire time has been his ability to clear stacks. It didn't really matter which melee offlane hero they put in that lane, it was going to get destroyed no matter what. Here's the key difference between clockwork and Tiny, one can farm and one cannot. Ergo Clock would have never even come close to farming as much as a Tiny in that particular game. Between track, being forced out of lane, 3 ranged heroes, nether swap, and snowball, there just wasn't that much merit to the clockwerk pick. It should be fairly obvious why they decided not to pick him. | ||
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snow2.0
Germany2073 Posts
Water? Why is it portioned so small? | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On December 10 2015 12:48 snow2.0 wrote: What are these tiny bottles everyone has sitting next to them at the PCs? Water? Why is it portioned so small? drought in cali  | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On December 10 2015 12:44 dutchfriese wrote: You should try reading my posts. My case for Tiny the entire time has been his ability to clear stacks. It didn't really matter which melee offlane hero they put in that lane, it was going to get destroyed no matter what. Here's the key difference between clockwork and Tiny, one can farm and one cannot. Ergo Clock would have never even come close to farming as much as a Tiny in that particular game. Between track, being forced out of lane, 3 ranged heroes, nether swap, and snowball, there just wasn't that much merit to the clockwerk pick. It should be fairly obvious why they decided not to pick him. An offlaner being able to clear stacks is good when you have an SF and PL on your team because. . .? You think they needed more jungling ability? Oh well, OK. For my part, I'd say they needed a hero who was OK without farming, e.g. Clock, who, as I said, doesn't mind if he's starved in lane and is fundamentally about enabling without items. An offlaner who doesn't need to risk himself early, has strong initiation without items and strong counter-initiation and vision were what they needed way more than your argument that they needed an offlaner who could jungle quick. Clock is sacrificial and they needed at least one sacrifice for that draft. (I also think Nightstalker would work well too, for the record - maybe moreso, I'm not sure. Vision was really really really important.) But oh well, I don't think we're going to reach agreement here and we're onto game 3. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10656 Posts
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
On December 10 2015 12:57 plasmidghost wrote: What the fuck is going on in the background i think they're playing street fighter or something on the "fun" stream | ||
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China13814 Posts
On December 10 2015 12:59 Verniy wrote: i think they're playing street fighter or something on the "fun" stream what could be more fun than doter two | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
Doter 2.5 | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
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