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syw651
Profile Joined April 2014
Australia349 Posts
December 10 2015 03:10 GMT
#521
On December 10 2015 12:09 TheTenthDoc wrote:
It really amuses me which armlet toggles impress the casters and which ones don't.

Because armlet toggle puts you at such low health for a second, it looks really dramatic whether or not there's any real danger. Seeing a hero on 1 health under a grave always looks exciting, even if you know objectively that he's actually got 250 effective health.
dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
December 10 2015 03:12 GMT
#522
On December 10 2015 12:10 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 12:00 dutchfriese wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:46 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:42 dutchfriese wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:37 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:30 dutchfriese wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Tiny pick was fucking awful. Don't understand it at all for this game.

Even so, VG's draft was better than I initially thought. Swap is so good when your opposition have no damage vs. BKB.


Who should they have picked instead of tiny? Slardar wouldn't have done shit in the lane and would have never recovered because he can't farm. Nightstalker maybe could have worked, but would have encountered the same problems as Slardar.


Clock is perfect.

Unless I'm stupid and it was banned?


Clock works i guess, until he's tracked all game and nobody is afraid of him.

It's easy to shit on the tiny pick, but he was doing a lot of work in that game. He had quite a bit of farm and was absolutely pulling his weight despite being in an impossible lane to start.

He did next to nothing of importance aside from help Venge get to a good start by being useless in lane.


If you saw "next to nothing of importance" then you aren't a very sophisticated dota viewer. Sorry.


Tell us all the important things he did.


Doing as much damage as SF while providing all kinds of utility via lotus orb / force staff, items he would have never even dreamed of buying as a clockwork in that particular game.
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
December 10 2015 03:12 GMT
#523
On December 10 2015 12:10 dutchfriese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 12:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
If only fy autoattacked one more time, VG wins that fight.


yeah they both got caught in the vac though.

yeah it was a really great vac
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 10 2015 03:14 GMT
#524
On December 10 2015 12:10 dutchfriese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 12:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
If only fy autoattacked one more time, VG wins that fight.


yeah they both got caught in the vac though.


He paused right before the vacuum went off. Probably thought he had killed Huskar with the last attack.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
December 10 2015 03:14 GMT
#525
On December 10 2015 12:12 dutchfriese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 12:10 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:00 dutchfriese wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:46 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:42 dutchfriese wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:37 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:30 dutchfriese wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Tiny pick was fucking awful. Don't understand it at all for this game.

Even so, VG's draft was better than I initially thought. Swap is so good when your opposition have no damage vs. BKB.


Who should they have picked instead of tiny? Slardar wouldn't have done shit in the lane and would have never recovered because he can't farm. Nightstalker maybe could have worked, but would have encountered the same problems as Slardar.


Clock is perfect.

Unless I'm stupid and it was banned?


Clock works i guess, until he's tracked all game and nobody is afraid of him.

It's easy to shit on the tiny pick, but he was doing a lot of work in that game. He had quite a bit of farm and was absolutely pulling his weight despite being in an impossible lane to start.

He did next to nothing of importance aside from help Venge get to a good start by being useless in lane.


If you saw "next to nothing of importance" then you aren't a very sophisticated dota viewer. Sorry.


Tell us all the important things he did.


Doing as much damage as SF while providing all kinds of utility via lotus orb / force staff, items he would have never even dreamed of buying as a clockwork in that particular game.


Literally just called me an "unsophisticated viewer" whilst saying Clock would never dream of buying Force.

OK then.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
December 10 2015 03:19 GMT
#526
On December 10 2015 12:14 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 12:12 dutchfriese wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:10 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:00 dutchfriese wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:46 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:42 dutchfriese wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:37 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:30 dutchfriese wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Tiny pick was fucking awful. Don't understand it at all for this game.

Even so, VG's draft was better than I initially thought. Swap is so good when your opposition have no damage vs. BKB.


Who should they have picked instead of tiny? Slardar wouldn't have done shit in the lane and would have never recovered because he can't farm. Nightstalker maybe could have worked, but would have encountered the same problems as Slardar.


Clock is perfect.

Unless I'm stupid and it was banned?


Clock works i guess, until he's tracked all game and nobody is afraid of him.

It's easy to shit on the tiny pick, but he was doing a lot of work in that game. He had quite a bit of farm and was absolutely pulling his weight despite being in an impossible lane to start.

He did next to nothing of importance aside from help Venge get to a good start by being useless in lane.


If you saw "next to nothing of importance" then you aren't a very sophisticated dota viewer. Sorry.


Tell us all the important things he did.


Doing as much damage as SF while providing all kinds of utility via lotus orb / force staff, items he would have never even dreamed of buying as a clockwork in that particular game.


Literally just called me an "unsophisticated viewer" whilst saying Clock would never dream of buying Force.

OK then.


I'm sure clock would have gotten a force, and 12 deaths to his name. Probably near dead last in net worth as well.

And I called you an unsophisticated viewer because your comment was a laughable observation of the game that took place.
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
December 10 2015 03:20 GMT
#527
hoping atleast huskar or dazzle gets nerfed next patch...this just looks soo dumb and annoying.
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
December 10 2015 03:20 GMT
#528
go VICI
destroy the hype train !!!
-Terran-
Exoteric
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2330 Posts
December 10 2015 03:21 GMT
#529
how do you beat dazzle/huskar without aa again?
hell is other people
dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-10 03:22:08
December 10 2015 03:21 GMT
#530
On December 10 2015 12:21 Exoteric wrote:
how do you beat dazzle/huskar without aa again?


just don't let them get dazzle :x
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
December 10 2015 03:23 GMT
#531
and super dying solo to DS was just .uhh...the game was going pretty good until then and then that top gank happened.
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 10 2015 03:23 GMT
#532
On December 10 2015 12:21 Exoteric wrote:
how do you beat dazzle/huskar without aa again?


You play Silencer as a core, of course. ^_^
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
December 10 2015 03:28 GMT
#533
On December 10 2015 12:19 dutchfriese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 12:14 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:12 dutchfriese wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:10 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On December 10 2015 12:00 dutchfriese wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:46 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:42 dutchfriese wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:37 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:30 dutchfriese wrote:
On December 10 2015 11:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Tiny pick was fucking awful. Don't understand it at all for this game.

Even so, VG's draft was better than I initially thought. Swap is so good when your opposition have no damage vs. BKB.


Who should they have picked instead of tiny? Slardar wouldn't have done shit in the lane and would have never recovered because he can't farm. Nightstalker maybe could have worked, but would have encountered the same problems as Slardar.


Clock is perfect.

Unless I'm stupid and it was banned?


Clock works i guess, until he's tracked all game and nobody is afraid of him.

It's easy to shit on the tiny pick, but he was doing a lot of work in that game. He had quite a bit of farm and was absolutely pulling his weight despite being in an impossible lane to start.

He did next to nothing of importance aside from help Venge get to a good start by being useless in lane.


If you saw "next to nothing of importance" then you aren't a very sophisticated dota viewer. Sorry.


Tell us all the important things he did.


Doing as much damage as SF while providing all kinds of utility via lotus orb / force staff, items he would have never even dreamed of buying as a clockwork in that particular game.


Literally just called me an "unsophisticated viewer" whilst saying Clock would never dream of buying Force.

OK then.


I'm sure clock would have gotten a force, and 12 deaths to his name. Probably near dead last in net worth as well.

And I called you an unsophisticated viewer because your comment was a laughable observation of the game that took place.

Totally contradicting yourself.

Anyway, here is what OG needed for an offlaner: someone who wasn't going to constantly die in lane - didn't need to risk himself because it's fine to be mostly starved, even in levels. Further, someone who is good at initiation despite not having an item, and also good at counter-initiation, and also good at scouting. Because they did not have this, Venge could rely on kills and Bounty to keep her up in networth (key weakness of VG draft), and also OG had no vision for the constant swaps. Further, because of the importance and lack of proper ways of dealing with the Swaps and other disables, SF had to build tanky - which meant he wasn't doing damage. Tiny doing damage is not actually a particularly good thing - OG already had damaging hereos, they needed an offlaner to allow their cores to build for that and unleash it, not spread out who was doing damage.

There you go, that's an extremely brief semi-drunk analysis. No doubt yours is much deeper, but given that you've literally said there's no way a Clock would dream of building a Force I'm not too fussed.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
syw651
Profile Joined April 2014
Australia349 Posts
December 10 2015 03:29 GMT
#534
They were a game up in the upper bracket of a double elimination tournament. Maybe it wouldn't be the worst timing in the world to find out whether or not they can handle OG's dazzle/huskar combo or BDN's meepo. Lesson learnt. They can potentially do it, but they need to respect the huskar's tankiness in the mid-game a bit more.
dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
December 10 2015 03:29 GMT
#535
On December 10 2015 12:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 12:21 Exoteric wrote:
how do you beat dazzle/huskar without aa again?


You play Silencer as a core, of course. ^_^


I agree. That's probably a different game with Silencer as the 1.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
December 10 2015 03:30 GMT
#536
On December 10 2015 12:29 syw651 wrote:
They were a game up in the upper bracket of a double elimination tournament. Maybe it wouldn't be the worst timing in the world to find out whether or not they can handle OG's dazzle/huskar combo or BDN's meepo. Lesson learnt. They can potentially do it, but they need to respect the huskar's tankiness in the mid-game a bit more.

Watch there be massive huskar/dazzle nerfs by tomorrow morning :3
:)
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
December 10 2015 03:30 GMT
#537
Just got home from school after catching OG losging game 1 to VS carry.

What happened game 2?

PLS SOMEONE TLDR ME
Skol
Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
December 10 2015 03:30 GMT
#538
On December 10 2015 12:28 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Anyway, here is what OG needed for an offlaner: someone who wasn't going to constantly die in lane - didn't need to risk himself because it's fine to be mostly starved, even in levels. Further, someone who is good at initiation despite not having an item, and also good at counter-initiation, and also good at scouting.

so... they needed Tusk?
Heaven's Halberd is the most criminally underbought item in Dota. Together we can stop this.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
December 10 2015 03:31 GMT
#539
On December 10 2015 12:30 Verniy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 12:28 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Anyway, here is what OG needed for an offlaner: someone who wasn't going to constantly die in lane - didn't need to risk himself because it's fine to be mostly starved, even in levels. Further, someone who is good at initiation despite not having an item, and also good at counter-initiation, and also good at scouting.

so... they needed Tusk?

Tusk is a pretty broken here and would have been nice but he was not available so. . .
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 10 2015 03:33 GMT
#540
Beastmaster could've fit your criteria, but support rotations would have been necessary to get a decent Blink/Necro timing.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
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