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On November 20 2015 04:26 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:22 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:21 DucK- wrote:
Teams with players that can run meepo have a huge drafting advantage, because meepo is a pick that is meant to out draft. I do hope more players start learning the hero.
Cdec is kinda still stuck in the previous patch. I think they really need to work on expanding their hero pool and play style, because they have been very very predictable. PPD has yet to show his team knows how to play Meepo, so by this argument, they ought to lose, yes? ? Way to total misread what I said. All I'm saying is being able to run meepo gives you a huge advantage in draft. An additional option to win via out draft.
A draft advantage is pretty important in a match between two otherwise equal teams. What you're saying is that Secret is favored ie ought to win, unless you think Secret is less of a team than Americans?
Commit to the logic of your statements, don't just say it's an advantage and then not say what that advantage leads to.
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On November 20 2015 04:22 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:21 DucK- wrote:
Teams with players that can run meepo have a huge drafting advantage, because meepo is a pick that is meant to out draft. I do hope more players start learning the hero.
Cdec is kinda still stuck in the previous patch. I think they really need to work on expanding their hero pool and play style, because they have been very very predictable. PPD has yet to show his team knows how to play Meepo, so by this argument, they ought to lose, yes?
"a huge drafting advantage" isn't "the only drafting advantage to exist in DOTA"
This is why no one takes you seriously.
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On November 20 2015 04:17 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:14 Mensol wrote:On November 20 2015 02:29 Mensol wrote:
TI5 was really one hit wonder for CDEC. told you. top 6 ain't bad tbh
clearly a one hit wonder if they don't get top 2 again obv
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On November 20 2015 04:25 Kabras wrote:
cdec is quickly turning into the alliance of china. roll through ti with ur lina gyro/pl then fail miserably when people figure you out and you have to adapt.
Cdec's gameplay is top notch though. Its just that they are starting to be cornered in their drafts. There's only so much you can do if you play at a disadvantage due to weaker draft.
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i felt like VG's tournament are probably over judging by the way burning ragequit early after losing to secret
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On November 20 2015 04:27 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:26 DucK- wrote:On November 20 2015 04:22 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:21 DucK- wrote:
Teams with players that can run meepo have a huge drafting advantage, because meepo is a pick that is meant to out draft. I do hope more players start learning the hero.
Cdec is kinda still stuck in the previous patch. I think they really need to work on expanding their hero pool and play style, because they have been very very predictable. PPD has yet to show his team knows how to play Meepo, so by this argument, they ought to lose, yes? ? Way to total misread what I said. All I'm saying is being able to run meepo gives you a huge advantage in draft. An additional option to win via out draft. A draft advantage is pretty important in a match between two otherwise equal teams. What you're saying is that Secret is favored ie ought to win, unless you think Secret is less of a team than Americans? Commit to the logic of your statements.
he definitely didn't claim the drafting situation between them is otherwise equal, meepo aside
in general, obviously having a niche hero comprises some sort of draft advantage, and it's good to have such things. that's all he said. he didn't make any claims as to the magnitude of strength of the meepo pocket pick relative to other drafting tricks overall.
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On November 20 2015 04:25 Orome wrote:
I mean if China gets first they'll have done better than the West at TI5, but what'll probably end up happening is VG will beat Ehome because they always beat Ehome and then they'll lose instantly after because they fucking suck.
thats nice opinion as an ehome fan u got there...VG should stop playing next series imo..they just fucking suck anyway,right?
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On November 20 2015 04:27 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:22 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:21 DucK- wrote:
Teams with players that can run meepo have a huge drafting advantage, because meepo is a pick that is meant to out draft. I do hope more players start learning the hero.
Cdec is kinda still stuck in the previous patch. I think they really need to work on expanding their hero pool and play style, because they have been very very predictable. PPD has yet to show his team knows how to play Meepo, so by this argument, they ought to lose, yes? "a huge drafting advantage" isn't "the only drafting advantage to exist in DOTA" This is why no one takes you seriously.
So what you're saying is "Meepo is a huge drafting advantage but there are also other huge drafting advantages that you're able to get without Meepo" in which case, teams don't have to learn Meepo after all? Which is it?
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On November 20 2015 04:27 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:26 DucK- wrote:On November 20 2015 04:22 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:21 DucK- wrote:
Teams with players that can run meepo have a huge drafting advantage, because meepo is a pick that is meant to out draft. I do hope more players start learning the hero.
Cdec is kinda still stuck in the previous patch. I think they really need to work on expanding their hero pool and play style, because they have been very very predictable. PPD has yet to show his team knows how to play Meepo, so by this argument, they ought to lose, yes? ? Way to total misread what I said. All I'm saying is being able to run meepo gives you a huge advantage in draft. An additional option to win via out draft. A draft advantage is pretty important in a match between two otherwise equal teams. What you're saying is that Secret is favored ie ought to win, unless you think Secret is less of a team than Americans? Commit to the logic of your statements, don't just say it's an advantage and then not say what that advantage leads to.
Yada yada. Semantics.
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On November 20 2015 04:28 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:25 Orome wrote:
I mean if China gets first they'll have done better than the West at TI5, but what'll probably end up happening is VG will beat Ehome because they always beat Ehome and then they'll lose instantly after because they fucking suck. thats nice opinion as an ehome fan u got there...VG should stop playing next series imo..they just fucking suck anyway,right?
He is somewhat right though haha. Saying as a Vici supporter cuz of my fellow Singaporean.
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On November 20 2015 04:28 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:25 Orome wrote:
I mean if China gets first they'll have done better than the West at TI5, but what'll probably end up happening is VG will beat Ehome because they always beat Ehome and then they'll lose instantly after because they fucking suck. thats nice opinion as an ehome fan u got there...VG should stop playing next series imo..they just fucking suck anyway,right?
I like VG a lot I just enjoy flaming them.
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On November 20 2015 04:28 Papercappu wrote:
i felt like VG's tournament are probably over judging by the way burning ragequit early after losing to secret
u are literally spamming some random shit about chinese teams since yesterday..didn't saw you posting anything positive about any team ...did chinese teams touched your genitals soo hard?
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On November 20 2015 04:29 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:27 hariooo wrote:On November 20 2015 04:22 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:21 DucK- wrote:
Teams with players that can run meepo have a huge drafting advantage, because meepo is a pick that is meant to out draft. I do hope more players start learning the hero.
Cdec is kinda still stuck in the previous patch. I think they really need to work on expanding their hero pool and play style, because they have been very very predictable. PPD has yet to show his team knows how to play Meepo, so by this argument, they ought to lose, yes? "a huge drafting advantage" isn't "the only drafting advantage to exist in DOTA" This is why no one takes you seriously. So what you're saying is "Meepo is a huge drafting advantage but there are also other huge drafting advantages that you're able to get without Meepo" in which case, teams don't have to learn Meepo after all? Which is it?
yes drafting is a deep thing obv eg doesn't have to have meepo to win a tournament
its like some sort of niche bomb in a card game, you don't have to have all of them and sometimes it's awkward to have too many, but it's good to have some
cant deny techies helped eg win ti5 etc
also they had storm
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Getting a bit silly. Playing Meepo is a drafting advantage, that much is clear because it can give you very easy wins if picked correctly. How big of an advantage it is depends on the team. Some teams pick heroes that are fine against Meepo anyway, against those sorts of openings the capability to pick Meepo doesn't matter at all. But if a team either really likes stuff that Meepo is good against or even has to somewhat change their style to account for a Meepo before it is even picked, the advantage is bigger.
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As for VG, VG is liable to win against Ehome and then lose to one of the Western teams, I don't know what's wrong with that statement? When was the last time VG actually won a series against the two top Western teams?
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you know Azarkon is happy when he start to forgot to argue about chinese teams and nitpicking on others comment
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Azarkon was right, CDEC was left
Cappa
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On November 20 2015 04:32 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:28 Papercappu wrote:
i felt like VG's tournament are probably over judging by the way burning ragequit early after losing to secret u are literally spamming some random shit about chinese teams since yesterday..didn't saw you posting anything positive about any team ...did chinese teams touched your genitals soo hard?
just saying it like it is.not surprised if burning is out after this major.
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OG is a poor man's Secret. That is all.
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EPT
