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cdec lost to og? fuck my life
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man zyf is being wasted as a vg sub
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On November 20 2015 04:29 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:27 hariooo wrote:On November 20 2015 04:22 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:21 DucK- wrote:
Teams with players that can run meepo have a huge drafting advantage, because meepo is a pick that is meant to out draft. I do hope more players start learning the hero.
Cdec is kinda still stuck in the previous patch. I think they really need to work on expanding their hero pool and play style, because they have been very very predictable. PPD has yet to show his team knows how to play Meepo, so by this argument, they ought to lose, yes? "a huge drafting advantage" isn't "the only drafting advantage to exist in DOTA" This is why no one takes you seriously. So what you're saying is "Meepo is a huge drafting advantage but there are also other huge drafting advantages that you're able to get without Meepo" in which case, teams don't have to learn Meepo after all? Which is it?
Dingdingding was that so hard?
Where did he imply all teams have to learn Meepo to be successful? "I do hope more players start learning the hero". Seems like he's saying teams should consider including Meepo in their draft toolbox. How do you parse that statement in a manner consistent with your interpretation that teams cannot be successful without Meepo?
Once again, when you double down on saying these things it just make you look like more of a joke.
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On November 20 2015 04:35 Loanshark wrote:
Azarkon was right, CDEC was left
Cappa
gotta love the edits to get around moderation
ayy lmao
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zyf himself wanted to sit back ...LGD would be a pretty good place for him tho..sylar is clearly not working for them since an year.
and as far as VG goes, unless they fix their main problem which is drafting tilt/ weak drafting ,they are not going to achieve more with any players they have.and i don't see burning underperforming in any of games..more like he is playing quite stable and suiting them more.. the only problem they have is most of the times they just outdraft themselves in drafting stage..
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On November 20 2015 04:39 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:29 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:27 hariooo wrote:On November 20 2015 04:22 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:21 DucK- wrote:
Teams with players that can run meepo have a huge drafting advantage, because meepo is a pick that is meant to out draft. I do hope more players start learning the hero.
Cdec is kinda still stuck in the previous patch. I think they really need to work on expanding their hero pool and play style, because they have been very very predictable. PPD has yet to show his team knows how to play Meepo, so by this argument, they ought to lose, yes? "a huge drafting advantage" isn't "the only drafting advantage to exist in DOTA" This is why no one takes you seriously. So what you're saying is "Meepo is a huge drafting advantage but there are also other huge drafting advantages that you're able to get without Meepo" in which case, teams don't have to learn Meepo after all? Which is it? Dingdingding was that so hard? Where did he imply all teams have to learn Meepo to be successful? "I do hope more players start learning the hero". Seems like he's saying teams should consider including Meepo in their draft toolbox. How do you parse that statement in a manner consistent with your interpretation that teams cannot be successful without Meepo? Once again, when you double down on saying these things it just make you look like more of a joke.
He's saying Meepo gives you a drafting advantage, full stop, not just a drafting advantage in certain situations and against certain teams, which is how Meepo actually works. Saying that the hero gives you a pick advantage is saying that teams that don't play it is at a disadvantage from the start of the game. Now, of course, these teams are able to get drafting advantages in other ways by playing heroes that their opponents don't, but I see no harm in asking whether it makes Secret the favored to win tomorrow's winner's finals because, after all, one team plays Meepo, and the other has not shown any indication that they do.
So is Meepo an advantage? And in that case, unless PPD shows a new pick tomorrow, is his team at a disadvantage?
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So what are the recommended games for today?
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On November 20 2015 04:46 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:39 hariooo wrote:On November 20 2015 04:29 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:27 hariooo wrote:On November 20 2015 04:22 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:21 DucK- wrote:
Teams with players that can run meepo have a huge drafting advantage, because meepo is a pick that is meant to out draft. I do hope more players start learning the hero.
Cdec is kinda still stuck in the previous patch. I think they really need to work on expanding their hero pool and play style, because they have been very very predictable. PPD has yet to show his team knows how to play Meepo, so by this argument, they ought to lose, yes? "a huge drafting advantage" isn't "the only drafting advantage to exist in DOTA" This is why no one takes you seriously. So what you're saying is "Meepo is a huge drafting advantage but there are also other huge drafting advantages that you're able to get without Meepo" in which case, teams don't have to learn Meepo after all? Which is it? Dingdingding was that so hard? Where did he imply all teams have to learn Meepo to be successful? "I do hope more players start learning the hero". Seems like he's saying teams should consider including Meepo in their draft toolbox. How do you parse that statement in a manner consistent with your interpretation that teams cannot be successful without Meepo? Once again, when you double down on saying these things it just make you look like more of a joke. He's saying Meepo gives you a drafting advantage, full stop, not just a drafting advantage in certain situations and against certain teams, which is how Meepo actually works. Saying that the hero gives you a pick advantage is saying that teams that don't play it is at a disadvantage from the start of the game. Now, of course, these teams are able to get drafting advantages in other ways by playing heroes that their opponents don't, but I see no harm in asking whether it makes Secret the favored to win tomorrow's winner's finals because, after all, one team plays Meepo, and the other has not shown any indication that they do. So is Meepo an advantage? And in that case, unless PPD shows a new pick tomorrow, is his team at a disadvantage?
Nope. It is pretty clear that everyone else got the right understanding of what I said, while you're just arguing about semantics.
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should have last picked invoker or something.doubted shiki can play it though lol
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On November 20 2015 04:49 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:46 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:39 hariooo wrote:On November 20 2015 04:29 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:27 hariooo wrote:On November 20 2015 04:22 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:21 DucK- wrote:
Teams with players that can run meepo have a huge drafting advantage, because meepo is a pick that is meant to out draft. I do hope more players start learning the hero.
Cdec is kinda still stuck in the previous patch. I think they really need to work on expanding their hero pool and play style, because they have been very very predictable. PPD has yet to show his team knows how to play Meepo, so by this argument, they ought to lose, yes? "a huge drafting advantage" isn't "the only drafting advantage to exist in DOTA" This is why no one takes you seriously. So what you're saying is "Meepo is a huge drafting advantage but there are also other huge drafting advantages that you're able to get without Meepo" in which case, teams don't have to learn Meepo after all? Which is it? Dingdingding was that so hard? Where did he imply all teams have to learn Meepo to be successful? "I do hope more players start learning the hero". Seems like he's saying teams should consider including Meepo in their draft toolbox. How do you parse that statement in a manner consistent with your interpretation that teams cannot be successful without Meepo? Once again, when you double down on saying these things it just make you look like more of a joke. He's saying Meepo gives you a drafting advantage, full stop, not just a drafting advantage in certain situations and against certain teams, which is how Meepo actually works. Saying that the hero gives you a pick advantage is saying that teams that don't play it is at a disadvantage from the start of the game. Now, of course, these teams are able to get drafting advantages in other ways by playing heroes that their opponents don't, but I see no harm in asking whether it makes Secret the favored to win tomorrow's winner's finals because, after all, one team plays Meepo, and the other has not shown any indication that they do. So is Meepo an advantage? And in that case, unless PPD shows a new pick tomorrow, is his team at a disadvantage? Nope. It is pretty clear that everyone else got the right understanding of what I said, while you're just arguing about semantics.
Then your statement is false.
You cannot argue that Meepo is a drafting advantage, and then say Secret has no drafting advantage against PPD's team all else being equal, and PPD not showing a new pick is "all else being equal."
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Just read it as "being able to draft Meepo widens your options, and gives you a possibility of turning some drafting situations into your distinct advantage" and don't lose any sleep about it. Pretty sure that's what duck- meant, and I don't really know how you can read it any other way, tbh.
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On November 20 2015 04:46 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:39 hariooo wrote:On November 20 2015 04:29 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:27 hariooo wrote:On November 20 2015 04:22 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:21 DucK- wrote:
Teams with players that can run meepo have a huge drafting advantage, because meepo is a pick that is meant to out draft. I do hope more players start learning the hero.
Cdec is kinda still stuck in the previous patch. I think they really need to work on expanding their hero pool and play style, because they have been very very predictable. PPD has yet to show his team knows how to play Meepo, so by this argument, they ought to lose, yes? "a huge drafting advantage" isn't "the only drafting advantage to exist in DOTA" This is why no one takes you seriously. So what you're saying is "Meepo is a huge drafting advantage but there are also other huge drafting advantages that you're able to get without Meepo" in which case, teams don't have to learn Meepo after all? Which is it? Dingdingding was that so hard? Where did he imply all teams have to learn Meepo to be successful? "I do hope more players start learning the hero". Seems like he's saying teams should consider including Meepo in their draft toolbox. How do you parse that statement in a manner consistent with your interpretation that teams cannot be successful without Meepo? Once again, when you double down on saying these things it just make you look like more of a joke. He's saying Meepo gives you a drafting advantage, full stop, not just a drafting advantage in certain situations and against certain teams, which is how Meepo actually works. Saying that the hero gives you a pick advantage is saying that teams that don't play it is at a disadvantage from the start of the game. Now, of course, these teams are able to get drafting advantages in other ways, but I see no harm in asking whether it makes Secret the favored to win tomorrow's winner's finals.
No one would (or did, based on the responses) read what he said the way you interpreted it. That's nonsense.
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Laughing out loud at all the bullshit the haters are spewing here.
It's worth mentioning that after all the hate n0tail got since he switched to 1/2, he now without a doubt carried the team to top4 in the major! So happy for the flower! :D
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On November 20 2015 04:47 nojok wrote:
So what are the recommended games for today?
ehome vs LGD game 2
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On November 20 2015 04:50 SQWKZ wrote:
Just read it as "being able to draft Meepo widens your options, and gives you a possibility of turning some drafting situations into your distinct advantage" and don't lose any sleep about it. Pretty sure that's what duck- meant.
Every hero fits that description.
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On November 20 2015 04:50 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:49 DucK- wrote:On November 20 2015 04:46 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:39 hariooo wrote:On November 20 2015 04:29 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:27 hariooo wrote:On November 20 2015 04:22 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:21 DucK- wrote:
Teams with players that can run meepo have a huge drafting advantage, because meepo is a pick that is meant to out draft. I do hope more players start learning the hero.
Cdec is kinda still stuck in the previous patch. I think they really need to work on expanding their hero pool and play style, because they have been very very predictable. PPD has yet to show his team knows how to play Meepo, so by this argument, they ought to lose, yes? "a huge drafting advantage" isn't "the only drafting advantage to exist in DOTA" This is why no one takes you seriously. So what you're saying is "Meepo is a huge drafting advantage but there are also other huge drafting advantages that you're able to get without Meepo" in which case, teams don't have to learn Meepo after all? Which is it? Dingdingding was that so hard? Where did he imply all teams have to learn Meepo to be successful? "I do hope more players start learning the hero". Seems like he's saying teams should consider including Meepo in their draft toolbox. How do you parse that statement in a manner consistent with your interpretation that teams cannot be successful without Meepo? Once again, when you double down on saying these things it just make you look like more of a joke. He's saying Meepo gives you a drafting advantage, full stop, not just a drafting advantage in certain situations and against certain teams, which is how Meepo actually works. Saying that the hero gives you a pick advantage is saying that teams that don't play it is at a disadvantage from the start of the game. Now, of course, these teams are able to get drafting advantages in other ways by playing heroes that their opponents don't, but I see no harm in asking whether it makes Secret the favored to win tomorrow's winner's finals because, after all, one team plays Meepo, and the other has not shown any indication that they do. So is Meepo an advantage? And in that case, unless PPD shows a new pick tomorrow, is his team at a disadvantage? Nope. It is pretty clear that everyone else got the right understanding of what I said, while you're just arguing about semantics. Then your statement is false. You cannot argue that Meepo is a drafting advantage, and then say Secret has no drafting advantage against PPD's team all else being equal, and PPD not showing a new pick is "all else being equal."
Except no one said anything about Secret and EG's draft being equal. You decided to introduce a non-existent argument into an irrelevant topic to support your idiotic and more importantly false parsing of Duck's post.
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On November 20 2015 04:50 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:49 DucK- wrote:On November 20 2015 04:46 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:39 hariooo wrote:On November 20 2015 04:29 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:27 hariooo wrote:On November 20 2015 04:22 Azarkon wrote:On November 20 2015 04:21 DucK- wrote:
Teams with players that can run meepo have a huge drafting advantage, because meepo is a pick that is meant to out draft. I do hope more players start learning the hero.
Cdec is kinda still stuck in the previous patch. I think they really need to work on expanding their hero pool and play style, because they have been very very predictable. PPD has yet to show his team knows how to play Meepo, so by this argument, they ought to lose, yes? "a huge drafting advantage" isn't "the only drafting advantage to exist in DOTA" This is why no one takes you seriously. So what you're saying is "Meepo is a huge drafting advantage but there are also other huge drafting advantages that you're able to get without Meepo" in which case, teams don't have to learn Meepo after all? Which is it? Dingdingding was that so hard? Where did he imply all teams have to learn Meepo to be successful? "I do hope more players start learning the hero". Seems like he's saying teams should consider including Meepo in their draft toolbox. How do you parse that statement in a manner consistent with your interpretation that teams cannot be successful without Meepo? Once again, when you double down on saying these things it just make you look like more of a joke. He's saying Meepo gives you a drafting advantage, full stop, not just a drafting advantage in certain situations and against certain teams, which is how Meepo actually works. Saying that the hero gives you a pick advantage is saying that teams that don't play it is at a disadvantage from the start of the game. Now, of course, these teams are able to get drafting advantages in other ways by playing heroes that their opponents don't, but I see no harm in asking whether it makes Secret the favored to win tomorrow's winner's finals because, after all, one team plays Meepo, and the other has not shown any indication that they do. So is Meepo an advantage? And in that case, unless PPD shows a new pick tomorrow, is his team at a disadvantage? Nope. It is pretty clear that everyone else got the right understanding of what I said, while you're just arguing about semantics. Then your statement is false. You cannot argue that Meepo is a drafting advantage, and then say Secret has no drafting advantage against PPD's team all else being equal, and PPD not showing a new pick is "all else being equal."
Now now stop embarrassing yourself. How about you also learn to read the part after I said "has a huge advantage". It fully gives context to what I said, about how you have an additional option to outdraft.
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if we're talking about draft advantage, just want to throw out that Secret have only picked Wyvern 3 times (0 times with their current roster) and lost all 3 times
meanwhile EG have picked Wyvern 20 times (9 times with their current roster) and won 15 of those games (5 of them with their current roster)
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On November 20 2015 04:52 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 04:50 SQWKZ wrote:
Just read it as "being able to draft Meepo widens your options, and gives you a possibility of turning some drafting situations into your distinct advantage" and don't lose any sleep about it. Pretty sure that's what duck- meant. Every hero fits that description.
See if you want to play semantics what he said was "huge advantage", implying a greater overall value than drafting any other hero. Funny how you're so dead set on defining words until it works against you.
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On November 20 2015 04:55 Verniy wrote:
if we're talking about draft advantage, just want to throw out that Secret have only picked Wyvern 3 times (0 times with their current roster) and lost all 3 times
meanwhile EG have picked Wyvern 20 times (9 times with their current roster) and won 15 of those games (5 of them with their current roster)
Old roster performance actually doesn't matter, moreso of course in Secret's case.
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