[Frankfurt Major] Main Event Day 4 - Page 58

On November 20 2015 04:52 Azarkon wrote:


Every hero fits that description.

On November 20 2015 04:52 Azarkon wrote:


Every hero fits that description.

On November 20 2015 04:55 DucK- wrote:


Now now stop embarrassing yourself. How about you also learn to read the part after I said "has a huge advantage". It fully gives context to what I said, about how you have an additional option to outdraft.

On November 20 2015 04:58 SQWKZ wrote:

Not even close. Not every hero can give you an advantage. Point is, Meepo is just AN advantage among other strong picks.

On November 20 2015 05:03 Azarkon wrote:


I'm amazed that you managed to misquote yourself.

You said:

"Teams with players that can run meepo have a huge drafting advantage, because meepo is a pick that is meant to out draft."

Reading this as "Meepo is an option that allows you to out draft in certain situations" is a stretch, especially when placed alongside "Meepo is a huge drafting advantage." It might be that you're saying whenever Meepo is picked, it's picked strictly to out draft, but that doesn't explain the "huge drafting advantage" you give to teams that know how to play Meepo.

Is Meepo a huge drafting advantage, or is it a pick that only works when your opponent doesn't see it coming because of a lapse in judgment? Because up to now, I only see the latter.

On November 20 2015 05:12 SQWKZ wrote:
Holy shit can you get pedantic.

On November 20 2015 05:13 DucK- wrote:
Whatever fits your definitions. Everyone got exactly what I meant except you. I don't even disagree with what you said about meepo, because that's pretty much what I meant. But if you insist of winning a pointless argument about semantics that only you yourself have problems with, then go ahead. Jokes are on yourself.

On November 20 2015 05:16 Azarkon wrote:


I'm pedantic because I read what is actually being said...?

It's useless to make a statement to the effect of "this hero has the possibility of giving you an advantage in certain situations." Every hero that isn't completely redundant is capable of doing that. It says nothing about the value of a hero.



I have no issues understanding you. You're saying that Meepo is a highly valuable pick. My problem is, in what context? Against CDEC and VG, who didn't know how to deal with it, it obviously is a highly valuable pick. But are you willing to say the same for against a top Western drafter such as PPD? In case you are, then we have a meta pick. In case you're not, then it's just the equivalent of Pudge vs. Chinese, as Pudge was never a meta pick back when Na'Vi ran it against the Chinese, and the hero did not give any team a "huge drafting advantage" except against Chinese teams.

On November 20 2015 05:26 DucK- wrote:


The context is against any team that has a draft that is not prepared for a possible meepo late pick, because if your team has a meepo player, you are able to exploit it. Against ANY team - secret eg mineski Chinese peru whatever.

And Pudge is in no way any close to meepo in terms of the ability to outdraft.

On November 20 2015 05:44 Aldehyde wrote:
I've read grand fables about this Azarkon guy but never seen it in action. I can finally see why he's disliked by a lot of people.

On November 20 2015 05:40 Azarkon wrote:


I'd agree that a last pick Meepo is incredible when the opponent has a bad draft against it, but for that to occur, the opponent has to not prepare for the pick. This is why I disagree with it being a huge drafting advantage - because as long as the opponent is keeping the pick in mind, it's not that much of an advantage because there are several heroes that do well against Meepo, and a last pick Meepo has to go through a last ban phase in which a prepared team is easily able to ban it out. Meepo is also resource heavy, as the hero has to farm several lanes/jungle to achieve its goal, which weakens the rest of your team, so it's in no way a free pick - your whole strategy has to be built around it and having it countered = loss.

The two matches came down, therefore, to CDEC and VG not preparing properly for their matches, not the meta favoring cheese wins. Hell, Meepo actually was a meta pick over a year ago, before the nerfs, and even back then it was never considered an auto win. Teams such as PPD's have always known how to deal with the hero even without picking a specific counter. I remember one game over a year ago when they had no late game AoE against Notail Meepo but flat out out lasted the hero by not taking mid game fights, as Meepo eventually falls off regardless of farm.

I'd therefore love to watch Secret run this hero tomorrow against PPD just to see what's changed.

On November 20 2015 05:48 hariooo wrote:


Careful or he'll go off the deep end into a deeper end about your use of the term fables

On November 20 2015 05:50 Azarkon wrote:


What's wrong with the term fables?

On November 20 2015 05:50 spudde123 wrote:


In the only match this current Secret played against EG, Secret first phase picked Meepo in the 1st game of the series, won with it, and PPD 1st banned Meepo in all remaining games.

But I don't see Meepo being a big deal in the Secret vs EG series. Secret have picked Meepo enough so teams have seen different heroes work decently against it, and I highly doubt Puppey&co think EG haven't thought about what to do against Meepo now.

On November 20 2015 05:54 psyq wrote:
Holy!

I'm at work and can only read the thread and the last few pages have been this?! :smh:

On November 20 2015 05:57 hariooo wrote:


Fables are fiction.

On the other hand, this isn't needed because this was really just his reading comprehension being utter garbage.