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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On November 20 2015 06:03 wims80 wrote: Have anyone read sgamers lately? What are their opinion of this major? https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/3tdvz3/reaction_from_chinese_gaming_forum_following/ | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3238 Posts
On November 20 2015 06:02 Azarkon wrote: Uh huh. I'm sure it has nothing to do with trying to get back at Azarkon for being right all the time. Even I bothered to post just to say how much this made me laugh. It was pretty hard. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On November 20 2015 06:02 Azarkon wrote: Exactly. Uh huh. I'm sure it has nothing to do with trying to spite Azarkon, and everything to do with "Meepo is a huge drafting advantage" being actually "Meepo is a huge drafting advantage... only for teams that don't prepare for it." No I'm pretty sure most people honestly don't like you. Your qualification isn't necessary. Being able to play a hero is always better than not being able to play a hero. Being able to play certain heroes (Brood/Meepo/Wisp) is even better. Drafting strength with [insert 95% of DOTA heroes here] potential > Drafting strength without [insert 95% of DOTA heroes here] potential. Drafting strength with Meepo potential >>> Drafting strength without Meepo potential. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
On November 20 2015 05:44 Aldehyde wrote: I've read grand fables about this Azarkon guy but never seen it in action. I can finally see why he's disliked by a lot of people. I like Azarkon. He keeps these threads spicy. | ||
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Nakama
Germany584 Posts
On November 20 2015 06:16 Emnjay808 wrote: I like Azarkon. He keeps these threads spicy. Me too ==P | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On November 20 2015 06:13 hariooo wrote: No I'm pretty sure most people honestly don't like you. Your qualification isn't necessary. Being able to play a hero is always better than not being able to play a hero. Being able to play certain heroes (Brood/Meepo/Wisp) is even better. Drafting strength with [insert 95% of DOTA heroes here] potential > Drafting strength without [insert 95% of DOTA heroes here] potential. Drafting strength with Meepo potential >>> Drafting strength without Meepo potential. Then by that logic, Puppey has a drafting advantage against PPD, because there is no hero of equal worth to Meepo played by PPD's team that Puppey's team doesn't play. See how that works? Now were that to have been accepted three pages ago, this entire argument would not be necessary. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On November 20 2015 06:39 Azarkon wrote: Then by that logic, Puppey has a drafting advantage against PPD, because there is no hero of equal worth to Meepo played by PPD's team that Puppey's team doesn't play. See how that works? Now were that to have been accepted three pages ago, this entire argument would not be necessary. Wyvern. Timbersaw. Try again. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
I'm sorry, did I misread you again? Because I thought you said (Brood/Meepo/Wisp) are above other heroes in drafting advantage, and seeing that two of these three heroes are played by Secret but not by the other team...? | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On November 20 2015 06:47 Azarkon wrote: I'm sorry, did I misread you again? Because I thought you said (Brood/Meepo/Wisp) are above other heroes in drafting advantage, and seeing that two of these three heroes are played by Secret but not by the other team...? Did I say that was a comprehensive list? No, those are just examples to make a point. It's still ultimately irrelevant to the Meepo statement. You read it wrong then decided to be a sanctimonious ass about it. Move on. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On November 20 2015 06:54 hariooo wrote: Did I say that was a comprehensive list? No, those are just examples to make a point. It's still ultimately irrelevant to the Meepo statement. You read it wrong then decided to be a sanctimonious ass about it. Move on. The statement was written so as to emphasize the draft advantage Meepo gave, to make having the pick a big fucking deal. So I told the poster, in that case, Puppey ought to have a draft advantage against PPD in tomorrow's match. Yes, the statement was a bit sarcastic as I did not value Meepo that highly, but misread? That Meepo gives a "huge drafting advantage" and is "meant to outdraft?" My mistake, but that's exactly what was said. Now, in case you want to argue that I took it further than the poster accepted by arguing that it gave Puppey the draft advantage, that's fine. I have my reasons for making that argument - ie I do not think PPD has any pick that gives him a "huge drafting advantage" over Secret - but don't act as though I misread an easy statement. | ||
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DV G
Argentina2339 Posts
go to PMs, this thread should be over. | ||
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Ufnal
Poland1435 Posts
"Teams with players that can run meepo have a huge drafting advantage, because meepo is a pick that is meant to out draft." Reading this as "Meepo is an option that allows you to out draft in certain situations" is a stretch, especially when placed alongside "Meepo is a huge drafting advantage." Actually no, it is not a stretch at all in my humble opinion. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Then there are heroes that if picked late into the draft in the right game can give you extremely easy wins. Recent popular heroes include Huskar, Meepo and Brood. Also heroes like AM, Naga in her prime, Storm Spirit etc. imo come into this category. The thing is that with most of these heroes it's not like they are particularly difficult to play if picked to a right game. I doubt EE has for example played that much Huskar before they picked it against VG, I doubt carries constantly need to practice their AM to be comfortable picking it in an important game. Meepo is sort of different, as most players simply are not able to play the hero to the level where they are comfortable playing it in a big game. It's sort of a silly disadvantage to have for a top team imo, I doubt playing the hero is really impossible for a lot of pros if they actually just put their mind into practicing it. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On November 20 2015 10:08 DucK- wrote: You know I was generally alright with azarkon west vs east stuff, but this insistence on being right over nothing is just another level. Sometimes its mildly amusing, other times its like that crazy guy at the streetcorner yelling at you that the world is going to end, or that the devil is strong in you because you looked at him, just shook your head disapprovingly and he saw it. That guy you just want to shutup even if you can ingnore him. Sort of like a public service. | ||
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traumatism
Singapore3728 Posts
EDIT: Start watching from 41:40 in game time for that | ||
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goody153
44122 Posts
You can't just openly draft meepo you need to make sure that the heroes aside from meepo must be better than the enemy draft in general or else meepo is pretty much gonna flop. On November 20 2015 10:34 traumatism wrote: Holy shit did anyone see what n0tail did in that final initiation from the mid lane? He sent an illu in, started poof on his main meepo, started poof on the other meepos slight later, and the moment his main meepo poofed to the illu he blinked deeper in and got a poof combo off on someone like 2000 range away EDIT: Start watching from 41:40 in game time for that i always forget that you could poof on illusions as meepo and i play meepo | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On November 20 2015 10:34 traumatism wrote: Holy shit did anyone see what n0tail did in that final initiation from the mid lane? He sent an illu in, started poof on his main meepo, started poof on the other meepos slight later, and the moment his main meepo poofed to the illu he blinked deeper in and got a poof combo off on someone like 2000 range away EDIT: Start watching from 41:40 in game time for that Don't get me wrong that's cool but it's no different than a tp poof blink combo | ||
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traumatism
Singapore3728 Posts
On November 20 2015 11:07 hariooo wrote: Don't get me wrong that's cool but it's no different than a tp poof blink combo Just thought it was kind of a new thing, I watched n0tail's stream back when he streamed regularly and don't remember seeing that particular play. Maybe I missed the times he did it. | ||
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