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A few USA chants are fine but please don't do it too much.
Stop the stupid USA arguments, thanks.
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Best comeback in Dota history right there
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On August 09 2015 06:22 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:19 Drazerk wrote:On August 09 2015 06:16 hfglgg wrote:On August 09 2015 06:11 Logo wrote:
I don't see why everyone wants to see a finals where one team is heavily favored to win by having an advantage.
this is actually why i hate any form of WB advantage in the finals. if you play two sets, the first set loses a lot of its meaning when the team from the lower bracket is ahead. the games become less interesting when they dont change anything and just give us more meaningless games. if you give a one map advantage and the team from the upper bracket wins the first game, game 2 and 3 lose all meaning if the team from the lower bracket is ahead or wins. And at the same time you look at it from the other way around and you see a team from winners bracket never lose and then they never get a safety net like the lower bracket team thus even though the lower bracket team lost the same amount of sets they are the grand champions. Takes any meaning from the championship. Having to have the loser's bracket claw at it and earn it through the advantage - THAT is a story and a hype moment. Like said when I first responded to you. Their safety net is not having to play extra sets. How is this hard to see?
because that isn't the case for most other places where double elimination is the case as they don't see it as a real benefit for the WB side. Obviously everyone here is in favour of no advantage so i'm just gonna drop it
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The 10v10 base hold was actually impressive.
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On August 09 2015 06:25 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Omni Aghs OP.
Tusk Agh's was also crucial there or Mirana would have been able to hit the tower after Omni's ult.
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all star game was the best game of ti5
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On August 09 2015 06:26 75 wrote:
all star game was the best game of ti5
251 kills, 70k gold swings.
What's not to love
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On August 09 2015 06:22 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:20 CherryNubCakes wrote:On August 09 2015 06:14 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:13 CherryNubCakes wrote:On August 09 2015 06:11 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:10 CherryNubCakes wrote:On August 09 2015 06:05 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:04 TheYango wrote:
TI2 is the only time the WB finalist lost in the Grand Finals, and the one time they did, it was 3-1 anyway. For all the hubbub people make about no WB advantage, it hasn't really made a difference. Also, was not it working out in a way that TI2 schedule had LGD play 2 series in a row, Navi having a break between LB and GF and iG having like 1 game that day? Or was iG vs DK first match of final TI2 day? iG played DK, LGD, and Na'Vi all in one day. I heard that YYF was vomiting in between matches. Well, thankfully for them Navi went full retard in finals. Na'Vi didn't go full retard, they lost because their selection of pocket Naga counters got figured out and they had absolutely nothing else left in the tank vs iG. Navi did go full retard that series actually, if you re-watch it now. Hell, Navi were the ones picking Naga in 3/4 games as well (that was almost hilarious seeing Naga being first ban whole tournament getting last picked by Navi in game 1). How did they go full retard? At the time, iG had better players on positions 1 through 5 who could play all the top heroes of the TI2 meta while Navi's drafts were severely restricted by XBOCT not knowing Morphling, Dendi not knowing TA or DK, Puppey being lackluster on any non-junglers, etc. Watch game 1: wasted song by XBOCT and 0 heroes sonic wave by Dendi were the absolute highlight of that for me. Then ArsArt failing to zone bear resulting in easiest offlane of YYF's life. Then nyx pick by Puppey and general play in that last game.
Navi made mistakes, got outdrafted, IG capitalized, and hence were the better team that TI.
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odpixel was insane that cast hahahahaha
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ALL STAR RECAP BEST RECAP
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OK lets go grand final already clock is ticking and this is a BO5...
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Hao could he not kill the ancient
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On August 09 2015 06:27 Sif_ wrote:
odpixel was insane that cast hahahahaha
Cap did also do an amazing job as well
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On August 09 2015 06:22 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:20 CherryNubCakes wrote:On August 09 2015 06:14 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:13 CherryNubCakes wrote:On August 09 2015 06:11 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:10 CherryNubCakes wrote:On August 09 2015 06:05 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:04 TheYango wrote:
TI2 is the only time the WB finalist lost in the Grand Finals, and the one time they did, it was 3-1 anyway. For all the hubbub people make about no WB advantage, it hasn't really made a difference. Also, was not it working out in a way that TI2 schedule had LGD play 2 series in a row, Navi having a break between LB and GF and iG having like 1 game that day? Or was iG vs DK first match of final TI2 day? iG played DK, LGD, and Na'Vi all in one day. I heard that YYF was vomiting in between matches. Well, thankfully for them Navi went full retard in finals. Na'Vi didn't go full retard, they lost because their selection of pocket Naga counters got figured out and they had absolutely nothing else left in the tank vs iG. Navi did go full retard that series actually, if you re-watch it now. Hell, Navi were the ones picking Naga in 3/4 games as well (that was almost hilarious seeing Naga being first ban whole tournament getting last picked by Navi in game 1). How did they go full retard? At the time, iG had better players on positions 1 through 5 who could play all the top heroes of the TI2 meta while Navi's drafts were severely restricted by XBOCT not knowing Morphling, Dendi not knowing TA or DK, Puppey being lackluster on any non-junglers, etc. Watch game 1: wasted song by XBOCT and 0 heroes sonic wave by Dendi were the absolute highlight of that for me. Then ArsArt failing to zone bear resulting in easiest offlane of YYF's life. Then nyx pick by Puppey and general play in that last game.
They had misplays through the tournament from start to finish, I don't think their losses vs iG were much worse than their losses in the groups or their single losses in each WB match.
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On August 09 2015 06:17 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:12 Diavlo wrote:On August 09 2015 06:06 buhhy wrote:On August 09 2015 06:02 lolnoty wrote:On August 09 2015 06:00 pellejohnson wrote:On August 09 2015 05:59 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 05:59 pellejohnson wrote:On August 09 2015 05:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 09 2015 05:54 Sabu113 wrote:On August 09 2015 05:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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Double elimination exists because there is no consistency in team seeding and prize pool.
If DotA had a proper team ranking system and a prize pool spread across every tournament in the year, the single elim would be fine. It's a fucking horrible idea when seeding is entirely dependent on luck and tournaments can eclipse the total sum of everything else in a year.
Take this tournament for example. Top 6 teams, 5 were in Group B. I'm sorry gimping the grand finals is stupid. You get 2 lives to rule out luck in surviving the bracket. If you want 3 mil. Earn it. Plenty of SC tournaments were shit with the 1 game advantage. It's a huge up in terms of strategic flexibility. All the tournament is is qualification for that one match. Don't throw a fit just because EG might win lol You realise you are gimping the grand finals by not having a winners advantage right? If EG win its not a real victory and it kills any real sense of victory. If EG were to have to come from 1 game behind or win 2 Bo5 series then that would be hype as fuck and it would mean they truely are the TI champions. If they win now its like "well EG won buuuuuuuuut..." Basically if EG wins it'll just be anticlimactic Exactly! Even if EG would win they would still not be the "real" winners. I seriously doubt that anyone who has ever played any game competitively defends the "no WB advantage". Anyone who has been in the same situation knows how unfair it is not getting the second life that the other teams had EG and CDEC are tied 2-2 in wins. Who deserves the advantage? Are you trolling or just stupid? Do you really want to bring group stage results into the brackets? yes, because if those group stage results didn't occur CDEC wouldn't have known that techies will stomp them and EG would have 2-0'd in the bracket instead. Not remotely true, ppd had to show his hand vs ehome, both teams already knew about techies. You think a team like CDEC would first ban a hero because they saw an other team lose against it once? ppd also drafted an Universe Ench in the group and won. It's obviously worthy of a ban. Yes I would actually. I'm fairly sure the CDEC guys know the ehome guys and they probably scrim often. If ehome gives techies the respect first ban, I'm sure CDEC would have as well. Enchantress hardly changes the game dynamic the way techies does
First phase ban are incredibly expensive. If they start to ban Techies based on one game then they have to let through Naga (which EG was 5-0 with) or Leshrac if EG is first pick...
I hardly think they would do that, they didn't even ban Techies when they lost a game against it!
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On August 09 2015 06:27 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 06:22 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:20 CherryNubCakes wrote:On August 09 2015 06:14 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:13 CherryNubCakes wrote:On August 09 2015 06:11 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:10 CherryNubCakes wrote:On August 09 2015 06:05 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 06:04 TheYango wrote:
TI2 is the only time the WB finalist lost in the Grand Finals, and the one time they did, it was 3-1 anyway. For all the hubbub people make about no WB advantage, it hasn't really made a difference. Also, was not it working out in a way that TI2 schedule had LGD play 2 series in a row, Navi having a break between LB and GF and iG having like 1 game that day? Or was iG vs DK first match of final TI2 day? iG played DK, LGD, and Na'Vi all in one day. I heard that YYF was vomiting in between matches. Well, thankfully for them Navi went full retard in finals. Na'Vi didn't go full retard, they lost because their selection of pocket Naga counters got figured out and they had absolutely nothing else left in the tank vs iG. Navi did go full retard that series actually, if you re-watch it now. Hell, Navi were the ones picking Naga in 3/4 games as well (that was almost hilarious seeing Naga being first ban whole tournament getting last picked by Navi in game 1). How did they go full retard? At the time, iG had better players on positions 1 through 5 who could play all the top heroes of the TI2 meta while Navi's drafts were severely restricted by XBOCT not knowing Morphling, Dendi not knowing TA or DK, Puppey being lackluster on any non-junglers, etc. Watch game 1: wasted song by XBOCT and 0 heroes sonic wave by Dendi were the absolute highlight of that for me. Then ArsArt failing to zone bear resulting in easiest offlane of YYF's life. Then nyx pick by Puppey and general play in that last game. Navi made mistakes, got outdrafted, IG capitalized, and hence were the better team that TI.
Oh, i definitely think that iG were better team, i just think that Navi made it easier for them, considering iG definitely did not have easy day.
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On August 09 2015 06:19 Zea! wrote:
Why such a long pause? Fuck this
Because EG should rest before the most important series of the tournament?
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I'm still salty bearded man got screwed.
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"I will eat the cheese" Chuan 2015
Also the Dendi cosplay was absolutely sick.
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EPT
