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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 04 2015 10:42 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:41 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:39 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:37 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:33 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:32 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
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RTZ was on Kaipi, he was not full-time but there is no reason to not consider him a pro by that time. Also, StarCraft been here longer than Dota and 2 years is still a long time in it. He was playing in his off time; were we to consider every player who's ever tried to play tournaments on a third rate team a pro, then no one in Dota is new. Except Sumail. My point exactly. That's a stupid way of looking at this game. By that argument, no one in Starcraft is new too. And what makes you think this argument is wrong? Also, i talk tier 2/3 teams in WPC ACE, i don't talk about random online qualifiers. Because it is wrong. Playing on a professional team is very different from playing on a team that doesn't even have a team house. C9 does not have a team house, does that not make them professional? Hell, Empire were renting out a house for their bootcamp as well. Western teams as a rule are less professional than Chinese teams. Team houses aren't all there is, though. Was Arteezy earning an actual salary from his 'on the side' play? Salary part would likely make EE a new player as well, as it would make Aui_2000. Really, the best definition is whether a player has beforehand LAN experience. EternalEnvy was, in fact, a new player in 2013.
I talk about EternalEnvy in 2014, i know that he started out in pro gaming in late 2012.
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On August 04 2015 10:42 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:42 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:41 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:39 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:37 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:33 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:32 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 Azarkon wrote:
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He was playing in his off time; were we to consider every player who's ever tried to play tournaments on a third rate team a pro, then no one in Dota is new. Except Sumail. My point exactly. That's a stupid way of looking at this game. By that argument, no one in Starcraft is new too. And what makes you think this argument is wrong? Also, i talk tier 2/3 teams in WPC ACE, i don't talk about random online qualifiers. Because it is wrong. Playing on a professional team is very different from playing on a team that doesn't even have a team house. C9 does not have a team house, does that not make them professional? Hell, Empire were renting out a house for their bootcamp as well. Western teams as a rule are less professional than Chinese teams. Team houses aren't all there is, though. Was Arteezy earning an actual salary from his 'on the side' play? Salary part would likely make EE a new player as well, as it would make Aui_2000. Really, the best definition is whether a player has beforehand LAN experience. EternalEnvy was, in fact, a new player in 2013. I talk about EternalEnvy in 2014, i know that he started out in pro gaming in late 2012.
C9 wasn't paying him? He joined C9 in 2014.
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doubt anyone would retire after winning ti. cuz why would u not play until they feel they are not able to achieve top tier. even if you get top 6 thats 200k, not many jobs pay 200k a year.
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On August 04 2015 10:38 babylon wrote:
So the last time I watched any DotA was TI4, and I certainly haven't played it since then ...
Can someone give me a really quick and dirty summary of the metagame shifts?
New items dictated different carries, a lot of magic damage is more viable overall. Your super physical damage carries come online a lot later, much less seen. Increase in Invulnerability/combo breaker supports. There's a change in gold/xp algorithm that means comebacks are easier if you are behind, so teams have a lot of trouble breaking highground cause 1 teamwipe can bring you back into the game.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 04 2015 10:43 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:42 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:42 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:41 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:39 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:37 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:33 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:32 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 lolfail9001 wrote:
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My point exactly. That's a stupid way of looking at this game. By that argument, no one in Starcraft is new too. And what makes you think this argument is wrong? Also, i talk tier 2/3 teams in WPC ACE, i don't talk about random online qualifiers. Because it is wrong. Playing on a professional team is very different from playing on a team that doesn't even have a team house. C9 does not have a team house, does that not make them professional? Hell, Empire were renting out a house for their bootcamp as well. Western teams as a rule are less professional than Chinese teams. Team houses aren't all there is, though. Was Arteezy earning an actual salary from his 'on the side' play? Salary part would likely make EE a new player as well, as it would make Aui_2000. Really, the best definition is whether a player has beforehand LAN experience. EternalEnvy was, in fact, a new player in 2013. I talk about EternalEnvy in 2014, i know that he started out in pro gaming in late 2012. C9 wasn't paying him? He joined C9 in 2014.
More like Cloud9 picked him in 2014 as a new team for SpeedGaming.int players. Once again, the way you define new talent, TI4 EE is actually in same position as TI4 Arteezy, yet i highly doubt you would regard current EE/bone7/FATA as new talent.
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On August 04 2015 10:40 MaCRo.gg wrote:Yeah I was surprised at the level of English he can speak. I hope he continues to be a presence after his service (around 2 years). Maybe even cast some games?
March is a super old vet who was trained by Fear. He's a super old player whose been on the same team as Puppey and used to play in Canada
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everyone on c9 except fata is worth a nickle and an expired pizza coupon
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On August 04 2015 10:37 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:36 eieio wrote:On August 04 2015 10:35 Faruko wrote:
So koreans are forced to do military service ? I'm baffled in the best way that someone could be on a Liquid site and not know this :D lmao, got rekt by eieio ._.
I just mean our history is in starcraft and the whole idea of military service killing esports and boxer making Air Force Ace a thing and how amazing that was is like, core to the experience for me in a way
and so the fact that people can be on here and have 10k posts and love dota and not know about that is both hilarious and really, really cool. We've progressed in this incredible way and now we have Korean nerds playing in Dota and military service matters again and March is at TI like do you remember when Demon would just play with him and shit on him on stream like god DAMN hahahaha
ESPORTS LIFE
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On August 04 2015 10:43 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:43 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:42 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:42 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:41 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:39 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:37 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:33 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:32 Azarkon wrote:
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That's a stupid way of looking at this game. By that argument, no one in Starcraft is new too. And what makes you think this argument is wrong? Also, i talk tier 2/3 teams in WPC ACE, i don't talk about random online qualifiers. Because it is wrong. Playing on a professional team is very different from playing on a team that doesn't even have a team house. C9 does not have a team house, does that not make them professional? Hell, Empire were renting out a house for their bootcamp as well. Western teams as a rule are less professional than Chinese teams. Team houses aren't all there is, though. Was Arteezy earning an actual salary from his 'on the side' play? Salary part would likely make EE a new player as well, as it would make Aui_2000. Really, the best definition is whether a player has beforehand LAN experience. EternalEnvy was, in fact, a new player in 2013. I talk about EternalEnvy in 2014, i know that he started out in pro gaming in late 2012. C9 wasn't paying him? He joined C9 in 2014. More like Cloud9 picked him in 2014 as a new team for SpeedGaming.int players.
Sure, and both of these teams were paying teams. I know Speed had a bad owner though, who ran away with the money? Is that what you're talking about?
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wow mu wearing TA cosmetic hair
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On August 04 2015 10:44 trifecta wrote:
everyone on c9 except fata is worth a nickle and an expired pizza coupon
Fata's worth two nickles and a valid pizza coupon.
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On August 04 2015 10:42 Faruko wrote:
Fear retiring and... EG EternalEnvy
omg
I can't imagine the sparks if EE joined PPD's team.
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Germany3128 Posts
I don't even know what you are arguing about anymore 
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On August 04 2015 10:41 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:40 Reson wrote:On August 04 2015 10:36 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 04 2015 10:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:33 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:32 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
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RTZ was on Kaipi, he was not full-time but there is no reason to not consider him a pro by that time. Also, StarCraft been here longer than Dota and 2 years is still a long time in it. He was playing in his off time; were we to consider every player who's ever tried to play tournaments on a third rate team a pro, then no one in Dota is new. Except Sumail. My point exactly. That's a stupid way of looking at this game. By that argument, no one in Starcraft is new too. And what makes you think this argument is wrong? Also, i talk tier 2/3 teams in WPC ACE, i don't talk about random online qualifiers. Because it is wrong. Playing on a fully professional team is very different from playing on a team that doesn't even have a team house. Lol, how many teams do you think had team houses from TI1-4? Every top Chinese team + the best Western teams. Which Western actually live at their team house full time? It's not easy to live with even your best of friends. It takes so much discipline to do so. Na'Vi and Alliance did, from what I remember. I think our American boys also did the same, but don't know for sure.
navi didnt. they had a house in kiev they used for practice, but puppy and kuro lived in estland / germany.
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On August 04 2015 10:44 eieio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:37 Faruko wrote:On August 04 2015 10:36 eieio wrote:On August 04 2015 10:35 Faruko wrote:
So koreans are forced to do military service ? I'm baffled in the best way that someone could be on a Liquid site and not know this :D lmao, got rekt by eieio ._. I just mean our history is in starcraft and the whole idea of military service killing esports and boxer making Air Force Ace a thing and how amazing that was is like, core to the experience for me in a way and so the fact that people can be on here and have 10k posts and love dota and not know about that is both hilarious and really, really cool. We've progressed in this incredible way and now we have Korean nerds playing in Dota and military service matters again and March is at TI like do you remember when Demon would just play with him and shit on him on stream like god DAMN hahahaha ESPORTS LIFE
i was a cs guy, never got in sc untill sc2 :o !!
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On August 04 2015 10:41 traumatism wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:40 Orome wrote:On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes? We've already had rumours of 'the biggest western reshuffle ever' coming up, so yeah. I mean I half expect Secret to go their own ways even if they win TI. We do? I thought that was pre-DAC
It was somewhere in the Hotbid interviews from one or two casters (Draskyl plus someone else I think? not sure I'm super tired). Might be exaggerated, but I doubt it's completely baseless. Plus listening to the C9 interviews, it doesn't sound like they're quite on the same page about how to play the game. Unless they pull out a magical LB bracket run (they're likely facing EG/Secret in the round after next), I'd be very surprised if they didn't make any changes at all.
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On August 04 2015 10:43 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:38 babylon wrote:
So the last time I watched any DotA was TI4, and I certainly haven't played it since then ...
Can someone give me a really quick and dirty summary of the metagame shifts? New items dictated different carries, a lot of magic damage is more viable overall. Your super physical damage carries come online a lot later, much less seen. Increase in Invulnerability/combo breaker supports. There's a change in gold/xp algorithm that means comebacks are easier if you are behind, so teams have a lot of trouble breaking highground cause 1 teamwipe can bring you back into the game.
Thanks!
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On August 04 2015 10:45 TheNewEra wrote:I don't even know what you are arguing about anymore
It's kinda amazing how quickly the discussion can change around. I don't even bother if they're quoting each other anymore.
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On August 04 2015 10:44 trifecta wrote:
everyone on c9 except fata is worth a nickle and an expired pizza coupon
Misery is fine I'd say FATA and Misery are the most consistent and anchor C9 the most.
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