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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
August 04 2015 01:40 GMT
#5141
On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes?


We've already had rumours of 'the biggest western reshuffle ever' coming up, so yeah. I mean I half expect Secret to go their own ways even if they win TI.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
August 04 2015 01:40 GMT
#5142
On August 04 2015 10:39 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes?


disband, everyone but the winner and second place will disband

I'll be pretty surprised if the winner doesn't disband since the team was formed for the sole purpose of winning TI.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
August 04 2015 01:40 GMT
#5143
On August 04 2015 10:36 Azarkon wrote:
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On August 04 2015 10:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:34 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:32 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:28 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:26 IntoTheheart wrote:
[quote]
Isn't 2 years a long time in competitive gaming though? I wouldn't call someone a "young gun" if they started playing professionally 2 years ago in StarCraft...


Are we talking about Dota? Dota is a game that's been around for 10+ years. Arteezy was not even a professional in 2013.

RTZ was on Kaipi, he was not full-time but there is no reason to not consider him a pro by that time. Also, StarCraft been here longer than Dota and 2 years is still a long time in it.


He was playing in his off time; were we to consider every player who's ever tried to play tournaments on a third rate team a pro, then no one in Dota is new. Except Sumail.

My point exactly.


That's a stupid way of looking at this game. By that argument, no one in Starcraft is new too.

And what makes you think this argument is wrong? Also, i talk tier 2/3 teams in WPC ACE, i don't talk about random online qualifiers.


Because it is wrong. Playing on a fully professional team is very different from playing on a team that doesn't even have a team house.

Lol, how many teams do you think had team houses from TI1-4?


Every top Chinese team + the best Western teams.


Which Western actually live at their team house full time? It's not easy to live with even your best of friends. It takes so much discipline to do so.
yyfpulls
Profile Joined November 2012
United States2185 Posts
August 04 2015 01:40 GMT
#5144
On August 04 2015 10:38 icystorage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes?

Liquid`EternalEnvy
Liquid`Black^
Liquid`n0tail
confirmed


a team that disappoints 100% of the time?
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-04 01:41:43
August 04 2015 01:41 GMT
#5145
On August 04 2015 10:40 Reson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:36 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:34 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:32 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:28 Azarkon wrote:
[quote]

Are we talking about Dota? Dota is a game that's been around for 10+ years. Arteezy was not even a professional in 2013.

RTZ was on Kaipi, he was not full-time but there is no reason to not consider him a pro by that time. Also, StarCraft been here longer than Dota and 2 years is still a long time in it.


He was playing in his off time; were we to consider every player who's ever tried to play tournaments on a third rate team a pro, then no one in Dota is new. Except Sumail.

My point exactly.


That's a stupid way of looking at this game. By that argument, no one in Starcraft is new too.

And what makes you think this argument is wrong? Also, i talk tier 2/3 teams in WPC ACE, i don't talk about random online qualifiers.


Because it is wrong. Playing on a fully professional team is very different from playing on a team that doesn't even have a team house.

Lol, how many teams do you think had team houses from TI1-4?


Every top Chinese team + the best Western teams.


Which Western actually live at their team house full time? It's not easy to live with even your best of friends. It takes so much discipline to do so.


Na'Vi and Alliance did, from what I remember. I think our American boys also did the same, but don't know for sure.
traumatism
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore3728 Posts
August 04 2015 01:41 GMT
#5146
On August 04 2015 10:40 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes?


We've already had rumours of 'the biggest western reshuffle ever' coming up, so yeah. I mean I half expect Secret to go their own ways even if they win TI.


We do? I thought that was pre-DAC
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40186 Posts
August 04 2015 01:41 GMT
#5147
On August 04 2015 10:39 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:34 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:32 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:28 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:26 IntoTheheart wrote:
[quote]
Isn't 2 years a long time in competitive gaming though? I wouldn't call someone a "young gun" if they started playing professionally 2 years ago in StarCraft...


Are we talking about Dota? Dota is a game that's been around for 10+ years. Arteezy was not even a professional in 2013.

RTZ was on Kaipi, he was not full-time but there is no reason to not consider him a pro by that time. Also, StarCraft been here longer than Dota and 2 years is still a long time in it.


He was playing in his off time; were we to consider every player who's ever tried to play tournaments on a third rate team a pro, then no one in Dota is new. Except Sumail.

My point exactly.


That's a stupid way of looking at this game. By that argument, no one in Starcraft is new too.

And what makes you think this argument is wrong? Also, i talk tier 2/3 teams in WPC ACE, i don't talk about random online qualifiers.


Because it is wrong. Playing on a professional team is very different from playing on a team that doesn't even have a team house.

C9 does not have a team house, does that not make them professional? Hell, Empire were renting out a house for their bootcamp as well.


Western teams as a rule are less professional than Chinese teams. Team houses aren't all there is, though. Was Arteezy earning an actual salary from his 'on the side' play?

Salary part would likely make EE a new player as well, as it would make Aui_2000. Really, the best definition is whether a player has beforehand LAN experience.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 04 2015 01:41 GMT
#5148
On August 04 2015 10:40 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes?


We've already had rumours of 'the biggest western reshuffle ever' coming up, so yeah. I mean I half expect Secret to go their own ways even if they win TI.

Why would you expect Secret to disband/shuffle around? I feel like they could plateau off their brilliance and take TI6 if they adjust properly to patches.
kiss kiss fall in love
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
August 04 2015 01:41 GMT
#5149
I just want Fata to end up on a good team. Maybe he and misery will go to [A] or he'll get on EG or secret if one of them win and retirements happen.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-04 01:42:01
August 04 2015 01:41 GMT
#5150
On August 04 2015 10:39 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:38 icystorage wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes?

Liquid`EternalEnvy
Liquid`Black^
Liquid`n0tail
confirmed

ptbl couldn't handle the amount of throws by a TL team
... Neither could I


Thank god we never kept or signed Team Tinker. They are probably the most frustrating team to follow in Dota 2. The salt from me would have been endless lol
Don't mind me
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 04 2015 01:41 GMT
#5151
On August 04 2015 10:41 Nocticate wrote:
I just want Fata to end up on a good team. Maybe he and misery will go to [A] or he'll get on EG or secret if one of them win and retirements happen.

Will they retire or "retire?"
kiss kiss fall in love
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-04 01:42:32
August 04 2015 01:42 GMT
#5152
On August 04 2015 10:40 yyfpulls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:38 icystorage wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes?

Liquid`EternalEnvy
Liquid`Black^
Liquid`n0tail
confirmed


a team that disappoints 100% of the time?


Gotta add Liquid'Silent and Liquid'BSJ for that.

(well, if we only went from Silent's game 1 today anyway)
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
August 04 2015 01:42 GMT
#5153
On August 04 2015 10:37 Reson wrote:
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On August 04 2015 10:32 bagels21 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:30 bagels21 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:29 Sabu113 wrote:
God I am saltier than PPD.

How did they fuck this up so badly. Jesus fucking christ. They should all retire after TI. Never going to win one. Bleh.


the worst shit is if they beat VG/Na'Vi then flop in their next match


I think it'd be worse if they flopped to VG/Na'Vi.


c9 does this little thing where they give you hope and then crushes it


C9 has a really bad record against VG. I think VG understands how they approach the game very well. Of course VG has to make it to them first.


The only "favorite" teams who looked shittier than C9 are VG and iG. I don't have much hope left in this team but it is a possibility they beat VG
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34167 Posts
August 04 2015 01:42 GMT
#5154
Fear retiring and... EG EternalEnvy

omg
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
August 04 2015 01:42 GMT
#5155
On August 04 2015 10:40 yyfpulls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:38 icystorage wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes?

Liquid`EternalEnvy
Liquid`Black^
Liquid`n0tail
confirmed


a team that disappoints 100% of the time?



yeah, no thanks
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40186 Posts
August 04 2015 01:42 GMT
#5156
On August 04 2015 10:40 MaCRo.gg wrote:
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On August 04 2015 10:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
March has really nice voice.

Yeah I was surprised at the level of English he can speak.
I hope he continues to be a presence after his service (around 2 years).
Maybe even cast some games?

Oh, damn, his voice for casting BannedTwitchEmote, it would be pretty amazing.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 04 2015 01:42 GMT
#5157
On August 04 2015 10:41 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:39 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:34 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:32 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:31 Azarkon wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:28 Azarkon wrote:
[quote]

Are we talking about Dota? Dota is a game that's been around for 10+ years. Arteezy was not even a professional in 2013.

RTZ was on Kaipi, he was not full-time but there is no reason to not consider him a pro by that time. Also, StarCraft been here longer than Dota and 2 years is still a long time in it.


He was playing in his off time; were we to consider every player who's ever tried to play tournaments on a third rate team a pro, then no one in Dota is new. Except Sumail.

My point exactly.


That's a stupid way of looking at this game. By that argument, no one in Starcraft is new too.

And what makes you think this argument is wrong? Also, i talk tier 2/3 teams in WPC ACE, i don't talk about random online qualifiers.


Because it is wrong. Playing on a professional team is very different from playing on a team that doesn't even have a team house.

C9 does not have a team house, does that not make them professional? Hell, Empire were renting out a house for their bootcamp as well.


Western teams as a rule are less professional than Chinese teams. Team houses aren't all there is, though. Was Arteezy earning an actual salary from his 'on the side' play?

Salary part would likely make EE a new player as well, as it would make Aui_2000. Really, the best definition is whether a player has beforehand LAN experience.


EternalEnvy was, in fact, a new player in 2013.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
August 04 2015 01:42 GMT
#5158
wow what a powerless, limpy handshake
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
August 04 2015 01:42 GMT
#5159
On August 04 2015 10:41 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:40 Orome wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes?


We've already had rumours of 'the biggest western reshuffle ever' coming up, so yeah. I mean I half expect Secret to go their own ways even if they win TI.

Why would you expect Secret to disband/shuffle around? I feel like they could plateau off their brilliance and take TI6 if they adjust properly to patches.

Puppey and S4 are old and probably want to do more, and with their millions they'll be able to.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 04 2015 01:42 GMT
#5160
On August 04 2015 10:40 yyfpulls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 10:38 icystorage wrote:
On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes?

Liquid`EternalEnvy
Liquid`Black^
Liquid`n0tail
confirmed


a team that disappoints 100% of the time?

Could you even disappoint if there aren't standards left?
kiss kiss fall in love
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