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On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes?
We've already had rumours of 'the biggest western reshuffle ever' coming up, so yeah. I mean I half expect Secret to go their own ways even if they win TI.
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On August 04 2015 10:39 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes? disband, everyone but the winner and second place will disband
I'll be pretty surprised if the winner doesn't disband since the team was formed for the sole purpose of winning TI.
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On August 04 2015 10:36 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 04 2015 10:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:33 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:32 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:30 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:28 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:26 IntoTheheart wrote:
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Isn't 2 years a long time in competitive gaming though? I wouldn't call someone a "young gun" if they started playing professionally 2 years ago in StarCraft... Are we talking about Dota? Dota is a game that's been around for 10+ years. Arteezy was not even a professional in 2013. RTZ was on Kaipi, he was not full-time but there is no reason to not consider him a pro by that time. Also, StarCraft been here longer than Dota and 2 years is still a long time in it. He was playing in his off time; were we to consider every player who's ever tried to play tournaments on a third rate team a pro, then no one in Dota is new. Except Sumail. My point exactly. That's a stupid way of looking at this game. By that argument, no one in Starcraft is new too. And what makes you think this argument is wrong? Also, i talk tier 2/3 teams in WPC ACE, i don't talk about random online qualifiers. Because it is wrong. Playing on a fully professional team is very different from playing on a team that doesn't even have a team house. Lol, how many teams do you think had team houses from TI1-4? Every top Chinese team + the best Western teams.
Which Western actually live at their team house full time? It's not easy to live with even your best of friends. It takes so much discipline to do so.
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On August 04 2015 10:38 icystorage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes? Liquid`EternalEnvy Liquid`Black^ Liquid`n0tail confirmed
a team that disappoints 100% of the time?
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On August 04 2015 10:40 Reson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:36 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 04 2015 10:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:33 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:32 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:30 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:28 Azarkon wrote:
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Are we talking about Dota? Dota is a game that's been around for 10+ years. Arteezy was not even a professional in 2013. RTZ was on Kaipi, he was not full-time but there is no reason to not consider him a pro by that time. Also, StarCraft been here longer than Dota and 2 years is still a long time in it. He was playing in his off time; were we to consider every player who's ever tried to play tournaments on a third rate team a pro, then no one in Dota is new. Except Sumail. My point exactly. That's a stupid way of looking at this game. By that argument, no one in Starcraft is new too. And what makes you think this argument is wrong? Also, i talk tier 2/3 teams in WPC ACE, i don't talk about random online qualifiers. Because it is wrong. Playing on a fully professional team is very different from playing on a team that doesn't even have a team house. Lol, how many teams do you think had team houses from TI1-4? Every top Chinese team + the best Western teams. Which Western actually live at their team house full time? It's not easy to live with even your best of friends. It takes so much discipline to do so.
Na'Vi and Alliance did, from what I remember. I think our American boys also did the same, but don't know for sure.
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On August 04 2015 10:40 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes? We've already had rumours of 'the biggest western reshuffle ever' coming up, so yeah. I mean I half expect Secret to go their own ways even if they win TI.
We do? I thought that was pre-DAC
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On August 04 2015 10:39 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:37 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:33 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:32 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:30 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:28 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:26 IntoTheheart wrote:
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Isn't 2 years a long time in competitive gaming though? I wouldn't call someone a "young gun" if they started playing professionally 2 years ago in StarCraft... Are we talking about Dota? Dota is a game that's been around for 10+ years. Arteezy was not even a professional in 2013. RTZ was on Kaipi, he was not full-time but there is no reason to not consider him a pro by that time. Also, StarCraft been here longer than Dota and 2 years is still a long time in it. He was playing in his off time; were we to consider every player who's ever tried to play tournaments on a third rate team a pro, then no one in Dota is new. Except Sumail. My point exactly. That's a stupid way of looking at this game. By that argument, no one in Starcraft is new too. And what makes you think this argument is wrong? Also, i talk tier 2/3 teams in WPC ACE, i don't talk about random online qualifiers. Because it is wrong. Playing on a professional team is very different from playing on a team that doesn't even have a team house. C9 does not have a team house, does that not make them professional? Hell, Empire were renting out a house for their bootcamp as well. Western teams as a rule are less professional than Chinese teams. Team houses aren't all there is, though. Was Arteezy earning an actual salary from his 'on the side' play?
Salary part would likely make EE a new player as well, as it would make Aui_2000. Really, the best definition is whether a player has beforehand LAN experience.
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On August 04 2015 10:40 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes? We've already had rumours of 'the biggest western reshuffle ever' coming up, so yeah. I mean I half expect Secret to go their own ways even if they win TI.
Why would you expect Secret to disband/shuffle around? I feel like they could plateau off their brilliance and take TI6 if they adjust properly to patches.
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I just want Fata to end up on a good team. Maybe he and misery will go to [A] or he'll get on EG or secret if one of them win and retirements happen.
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On August 04 2015 10:39 TheNewEra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:38 icystorage wrote:On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes? Liquid`EternalEnvy Liquid`Black^ Liquid`n0tail confirmed ptbl couldn't handle the amount of throws by a TL team  ... Neither could I
Thank god we never kept or signed Team Tinker. They are probably the most frustrating team to follow in Dota 2. The salt from me would have been endless lol
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On August 04 2015 10:41 Nocticate wrote:
I just want Fata to end up on a good team. Maybe he and misery will go to [A] or he'll get on EG or secret if one of them win and retirements happen.
Will they retire or "retire?"
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On August 04 2015 10:40 yyfpulls wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:38 icystorage wrote:On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes? Liquid`EternalEnvy Liquid`Black^ Liquid`n0tail confirmed a team that disappoints 100% of the time?
Gotta add Liquid'Silent and Liquid'BSJ for that.
(well, if we only went from Silent's game 1 today anyway)
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On August 04 2015 10:37 Reson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:32 bagels21 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:On August 04 2015 10:30 bagels21 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:29 Sabu113 wrote:
God I am saltier than PPD.
How did they fuck this up so badly. Jesus fucking christ. They should all retire after TI. Never going to win one. Bleh. the worst shit is if they beat VG/Na'Vi then flop in their next match I think it'd be worse if they flopped to VG/Na'Vi. c9 does this little thing where they give you hope and then crushes it C9 has a really bad record against VG. I think VG understands how they approach the game very well. Of course VG has to make it to them first.
The only "favorite" teams who looked shittier than C9 are VG and iG. I don't have much hope left in this team but it is a possibility they beat VG
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Fear retiring and... EG EternalEnvy
omg
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On August 04 2015 10:40 yyfpulls wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:38 icystorage wrote:On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes? Liquid`EternalEnvy Liquid`Black^ Liquid`n0tail confirmed a team that disappoints 100% of the time?
yeah, no thanks
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On August 04 2015 10:40 MaCRo.gg wrote:Yeah I was surprised at the level of English he can speak. I hope he continues to be a presence after his service (around 2 years). Maybe even cast some games?
Oh, damn, his voice for casting BannedTwitchEmote, it would be pretty amazing.
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On August 04 2015 10:41 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:39 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:37 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:33 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:32 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:31 Azarkon wrote:On August 04 2015 10:30 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 04 2015 10:28 Azarkon wrote:
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Are we talking about Dota? Dota is a game that's been around for 10+ years. Arteezy was not even a professional in 2013. RTZ was on Kaipi, he was not full-time but there is no reason to not consider him a pro by that time. Also, StarCraft been here longer than Dota and 2 years is still a long time in it. He was playing in his off time; were we to consider every player who's ever tried to play tournaments on a third rate team a pro, then no one in Dota is new. Except Sumail. My point exactly. That's a stupid way of looking at this game. By that argument, no one in Starcraft is new too. And what makes you think this argument is wrong? Also, i talk tier 2/3 teams in WPC ACE, i don't talk about random online qualifiers. Because it is wrong. Playing on a professional team is very different from playing on a team that doesn't even have a team house. C9 does not have a team house, does that not make them professional? Hell, Empire were renting out a house for their bootcamp as well. Western teams as a rule are less professional than Chinese teams. Team houses aren't all there is, though. Was Arteezy earning an actual salary from his 'on the side' play? Salary part would likely make EE a new player as well, as it would make Aui_2000. Really, the best definition is whether a player has beforehand LAN experience.
EternalEnvy was, in fact, a new player in 2013.
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wow what a powerless, limpy handshake
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On August 04 2015 10:41 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:40 Orome wrote:On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes? We've already had rumours of 'the biggest western reshuffle ever' coming up, so yeah. I mean I half expect Secret to go their own ways even if they win TI. Why would you expect Secret to disband/shuffle around? I feel like they could plateau off their brilliance and take TI6 if they adjust properly to patches.
Puppey and S4 are old and probably want to do more, and with their millions they'll be able to.
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On August 04 2015 10:40 yyfpulls wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 10:38 icystorage wrote:On August 04 2015 10:37 ptbl wrote:
So, you guys think C9 will disband after this TI or at least have roster changes? Liquid`EternalEnvy Liquid`Black^ Liquid`n0tail confirmed a team that disappoints 100% of the time?
Could you even disappoint if there aren't standards left? 
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EPT
