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On June 22 2015 05:15 Danzo wrote:
Any NA EG fans still alive out there? I only had 3 hours of sleep and literally been awake since then watching the game. Sad didn't go into game 5 but I still believe EG coming into TI5. #BLEEDBLUE!
We're either tired, deflated or both. I'm the latter lol. It will be nice when TI starts as at a reasonable hour for NA fans.
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On June 22 2015 04:54 Sphaero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 04:28 goody153 wrote:On June 22 2015 04:27 caiovigg wrote:On June 22 2015 04:22 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 22 2015 04:21 Azarkon wrote:On June 22 2015 04:19 Masamune wrote:EG  Gratz Secret, hope they don't win TI tho because traitors shouldn't be rewarded. /salt We take heart in the fact that Secret was only able to become the best team in the world by taking EG's players. To be honest n0tail version of Secret would likely become the best team in the world with s4 drafting because i swear, Puppey drafting lost them at least one tournament. sorry, but fly was just too bad for them to carry i think even with the misery version it's not good enough this new secret is crazy like the players alternately carry the team and they always have a lategame they can actually rely on (rtz) The biggest strength of Secret is that they don´t have one single weak link in the team. It is simply an All star team without much egos, because they all put the success of the team over their own pride. Zai was obviously an upgrade to both Fly and Misery and while I consider RTZ the slightly better position one player, Kuro moving back to support and pairing up with Ppy once again had the bigger impact. Kuro is a player whose plays are less dependent on farm which make him more valuable on that role and I rate the synergy of Kuro-Ppy higher than the one of N0tail-Ppy. I think that the team simply needed some time and right impulse (s4 taking charge as main shot caller) to really click and run like a smooth machine.
Yeah, the main reason you don't want Kuro playing position #1 is because who else is going to play Rubick like that? Or Techies? Or support Naga? The plays, man, the plays... and they're all focused on winning because they don't have salaries and are dependent on tournament winnings. Maybe that's why the Chinese can't beat them, they've gotten too comfy ^^
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It's not like they're living hand-to-mouth until they get a tournament pot. Each of these players has significant career winnings.
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I'd like to thank Puppey due to his play convincing me to kotl in pubs. What a fun hero.
Secrets teamfights are actually disgusting, a pleasure to watch.
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On June 22 2015 06:57 blobrus wrote:
I'd like to thank Puppey due to his play convincing me to kotl in pubs. What a fun hero.
Secrets teamfights are actually disgusting, a pleasure to watch.
Playing kotl with a friend in pubs is amazing lol. Kotl+Leshrac is the most ridiculous lane ever.
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i still dont understand why secret does not want/have sponsors. isnt that basically just free money?
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On June 22 2015 07:38 zev318 wrote:
i still dont understand why secret does not want/have sponsors. isnt that basically just free money?
They are already backed by some rich turkish guy , don't really need any more sponsors
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On June 22 2015 07:42 Lackbleeder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 07:38 zev318 wrote:
i still dont understand why secret does not want/have sponsors. isnt that basically just free money? They are already backed by some rich turkish guy , don't really need any more sponsors
is that turkish guy paying them a salary or something? otherwise, being "backed" by him doesnt actually do anything to the player's bank accounts.
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On June 22 2015 07:45 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 07:42 Lackbleeder wrote:On June 22 2015 07:38 zev318 wrote:
i still dont understand why secret does not want/have sponsors. isnt that basically just free money? They are already backed by some rich turkish guy , don't really need any more sponsors is that turkish guy paying them a salary or something? otherwise, being "backed" by him doesnt actually do anything to the player's bank accounts.
He pays all the travel expenses and bootcamps IIRC. Anyway just look at their winnings for this year, they don't need a salary. Kuroky himself said it wasn't worth it if you're at the top because they take more than they give back.
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On June 22 2015 06:16 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 05:13 Azarkon wrote:On June 22 2015 05:02 cecek wrote:On June 22 2015 04:59 Azarkon wrote:
$15 million tournament has a way of dealing with egos.
Course, they're going to be the first team to disband after it. I don't see Secret sticking together after TI 5, no matter whether they win/lose. why not? Just a feeling I have about the players on this team. They're all too successful to want to work through the TI curse and the slump that's sure to hit after TI 5. Puppey's Na'Vi changed its roster three times in three years. S4, while he did stick with Alliance for a year after 2013, ultimately lost his patience with that team, too, along with EGM. They've been there, done that, so I think they know what occurs to TI winning teams. They'd want to end on a positive, rather than a negative, and there's no sponsor obligations in this case. And in case they don't win TI, then they've failed the very goal for which this team was created. I don't think they love each other so much that they'd stick around after that. "what occurs to TI winning teams" Na'vi continued dominating the West (and competing with the East) for 2 more years, iG stayed near the top with the same 4/5 players. Alliance got patched out. Newbee stopped giving a shit collectively.
Na'Vi's captain quit immediately after TI 1. They tried again with AA at TI 2, got second, then replaced two players before TI 3.
IG continued doing well for about six months after TI 2 and then completely collapsed, became toxic, Zhou burden, etc.
Newbee started playing WC 3 RPGs three months after TI 4 and never looked back.
Alliance is actually the only team that stuck together for one additional year. But even they lost all motivation and stopped practicing as Loda said in their interviews.
Every TI team has went on a slump/roster change after their TI success. Secret knows how the story ends, and I just don't see them sticking together out of loyalty alone. But hey, in case they manage to avoid the TI slump, then they'd be the first.
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On June 22 2015 08:35 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 06:16 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 22 2015 05:13 Azarkon wrote:On June 22 2015 05:02 cecek wrote:On June 22 2015 04:59 Azarkon wrote:
$15 million tournament has a way of dealing with egos.
Course, they're going to be the first team to disband after it. I don't see Secret sticking together after TI 5, no matter whether they win/lose. why not? Just a feeling I have about the players on this team. They're all too successful to want to work through the TI curse and the slump that's sure to hit after TI 5. Puppey's Na'Vi changed its roster three times in three years. S4, while he did stick with Alliance for a year after 2013, ultimately lost his patience with that team, too, along with EGM. They've been there, done that, so I think they know what occurs to TI winning teams. They'd want to end on a positive, rather than a negative, and there's no sponsor obligations in this case. And in case they don't win TI, then they've failed the very goal for which this team was created. I don't think they love each other so much that they'd stick around after that. "what occurs to TI winning teams" Na'vi continued dominating the West (and competing with the East) for 2 more years, iG stayed near the top with the same 4/5 players. Alliance got patched out. Newbee stopped giving a shit collectively. Na'Vi's captain quit immediately after TI 1. They tried again with AA at TI 2, got second, then replaced two players before TI 3.
Artstyle didn't quit , he got kicked because he didn't want to give 20% of his winnings to the na'vi org.
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On June 22 2015 08:51 Lackbleeder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 08:35 Azarkon wrote:On June 22 2015 06:16 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 22 2015 05:13 Azarkon wrote:On June 22 2015 05:02 cecek wrote:On June 22 2015 04:59 Azarkon wrote:
$15 million tournament has a way of dealing with egos.
Course, they're going to be the first team to disband after it. I don't see Secret sticking together after TI 5, no matter whether they win/lose. why not? Just a feeling I have about the players on this team. They're all too successful to want to work through the TI curse and the slump that's sure to hit after TI 5. Puppey's Na'Vi changed its roster three times in three years. S4, while he did stick with Alliance for a year after 2013, ultimately lost his patience with that team, too, along with EGM. They've been there, done that, so I think they know what occurs to TI winning teams. They'd want to end on a positive, rather than a negative, and there's no sponsor obligations in this case. And in case they don't win TI, then they've failed the very goal for which this team was created. I don't think they love each other so much that they'd stick around after that. "what occurs to TI winning teams" Na'vi continued dominating the West (and competing with the East) for 2 more years, iG stayed near the top with the same 4/5 players. Alliance got patched out. Newbee stopped giving a shit collectively. Na'Vi's captain quit immediately after TI 1. They tried again with AA at TI 2, got second, then replaced two players before TI 3. Artstyle didn't quit , he got kicked because he didn't want to give 20% of his winnings to the na'vi org.
This is true. At least Azarkon was accurate with everything else.
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Woke up to find out EG lost. I am disappointed yet again. I guess the wonder boy,Sumail, couldn't carry them this time.
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Except navi didn't go through slump for 3 consecutive years from TI to TI3. They were the most stable team with a change of one player every year back then.
I think Puppey's leadership that make them strong back then.
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On June 22 2015 09:19 MushyHumus wrote:
Woke up to find out EG lost. I am disappointed yet again. I guess the wonder boy,Sumail, couldn't carry them this time.
To be fair, Sumail played his best performance in this tournament. He played out of his mind, and even those it was 3-1, the games were actually very close and near even.
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Actually i thought Fear and Universe were pretty lackluster in the finals
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On June 22 2015 05:13 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 05:02 cecek wrote:On June 22 2015 04:59 Azarkon wrote:
$15 million tournament has a way of dealing with egos.
Course, they're going to be the first team to disband after it. I don't see Secret sticking together after TI 5, no matter whether they win/lose. why not? Just a feeling I have about the players on this team. They're all too successful to want to work through the TI curse and the slump that's sure to hit after TI 5. Puppey's Na'Vi changed its roster three times in three years. S4, while he did stick with Alliance for a year after 2013, ultimately lost his patience with that team, too, along with EGM. They've been there, done that, so I think they know what occurs to TI winning teams. They'd want to end on a positive, rather than a negative, and there's no sponsor obligations in this case. And in case they don't win TI, then they've failed the very goal for which this team was created. I don't think they love each other so much that they'd stick around after that.
Why would they quit after winning TI if they can keep playing the highest level of dota and keep making money? Because of some hocus-pocus slump? Not like DotA is an old sport with old traditions.Team Secret seems to be way more flexible than Alliance, I see no reason for them to split up that are not the following:
A) not being able to compete at the highest level
B) internal issues
I'm not saying they're necessarily in for the long run, just saying that splitting up after winning TI when they would be the team most well equipped to KEEP winning and KEEP making bank(dont forget the majors!) is a really REALLY poor decision
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On June 22 2015 12:02 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 05:13 Azarkon wrote:On June 22 2015 05:02 cecek wrote:On June 22 2015 04:59 Azarkon wrote:
$15 million tournament has a way of dealing with egos.
Course, they're going to be the first team to disband after it. I don't see Secret sticking together after TI 5, no matter whether they win/lose. why not? Just a feeling I have about the players on this team. They're all too successful to want to work through the TI curse and the slump that's sure to hit after TI 5. Puppey's Na'Vi changed its roster three times in three years. S4, while he did stick with Alliance for a year after 2013, ultimately lost his patience with that team, too, along with EGM. They've been there, done that, so I think they know what occurs to TI winning teams. They'd want to end on a positive, rather than a negative, and there's no sponsor obligations in this case. And in case they don't win TI, then they've failed the very goal for which this team was created. I don't think they love each other so much that they'd stick around after that. Why would they quit after winning TI if they can keep playing the highest level of dota and keep making money? Because of some hocus-pocus slump? Not like DotA is an old sport with old traditions.Team Secret seems to be way more flexible than Alliance, I see no reason for them to split up that are not the following: A) not being able to compete at the highest level B) internal issues I'm not saying they're necessarily in for the long run, just saying that splitting up after winning TI when they would be the team most well equipped to KEEP winning and KEEP making bank(dont forget the majors!) is a really REALLY poor decision
tbf icefrog basically nerfed Alliance's playstyle and drafts right after ti3. Since icefrog usually nerfs or deemphasizes stuff
that was dominant at TI, it's hard for the winning team to stay at the top.
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On June 22 2015 04:01 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 04:01 sirreginold wrote:
EG is one good carry player from getting to the next level. Nah, they also need a good mid.
What? Once again we're back to people giving Sumail shit all over again.
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On June 22 2015 13:42 Danzo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 04:01 Daralii wrote:On June 22 2015 04:01 sirreginold wrote:
EG is one good carry player from getting to the next level. Nah, they also need a good mid. What? Once again we're back to people giving Sumail shit all over again.
Can't excuse him for buildings aghs on zeus.
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