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Na'Vi lobby is live.
And yeah, as technology gets more complex and more features are added to the experience, there is more room, not less, for technical fuckups. Dota2 has a lot of infrastructure complexity.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On January 29 2015 16:53 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 16:50 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:48 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2015 16:38 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:35 ref4 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:31 Jaaaaasper wrote:On January 29 2015 16:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I just still don't understand how you can have a 2.5 million prize pool tourney, and have players talking during a pause in the game about how awful this tournament is because of the lag.
Cannot believe that these tech issues are that hard to deal with. Low quality production crew or equipment is likely. I mean I don't think I've ever seen a Chinese tournament with out these issues. Theres a reason I didn't buy the compendium, because so far the tournament has sunk to my expectations wonderfully. Honestly, I don't know why I get hopeful anymore. Always they'll try to make the tournament seem exciting like, that they fixed previous issues... Yeah no. Still to this day, 95% of Dota 2 associations are a complete joke. This tournament will hurt Dota more than help it if it keeps going like this. Edit: Apologies for my bitching. even the big bad LoL worlds have technical problems, this is not limited to DOTA2. BW never had these screw ups. Quake, Counter Strike... 10 years ago the average tournament with a prize pool of $1k was ran smoother. Just recently my memories of law tournaments have been really bad in Dota 2. Summit 2 filled with plague, and many others, and now supposedly the 2nd biggest tournament of the year also. BW never had these screw ups because it was run by Korea. China is not Korea. The rest of the world is not Korea. Korea has the fastest/second fastest internet speed in the world. It has the most advanced online gaming infrastructure in the world. It's nice to pretend that professional gaming is actually professional outside of Korea but in the end, the facts speak for themselves. I think Riot's LCS, Blizzard's WCS, and Valve's TI are the only professionally run video game competitions outside of Korea. Everyone else is basically an amateur. BW never had those screw ups not because it had nice internet connections. But because all the games in serious leagues were LANs with TV translation of observers. And if we remember BW system requirements it kind of becomes obvious that having a PC fuck-ups was next to impossible there. And even then.... POWER OUTAGE. The system requirements increasing has no (or very little) relationship to a hardware failure. What is the risk of a i5 and gtx 760 fail, versus a celeron and integrated graphics. It's not like we're pushing the knowledge of mankind here.
Actually, i would say that i5 + gtx 760 has higher probability of failing: Source it bitten my friend in the ass when turning on computer had shut down electricity in his whole house.
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United States13143 Posts
On January 29 2015 16:52 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 16:48 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2015 16:38 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:35 ref4 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:31 Jaaaaasper wrote:On January 29 2015 16:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I just still don't understand how you can have a 2.5 million prize pool tourney, and have players talking during a pause in the game about how awful this tournament is because of the lag.
Cannot believe that these tech issues are that hard to deal with. Low quality production crew or equipment is likely. I mean I don't think I've ever seen a Chinese tournament with out these issues. Theres a reason I didn't buy the compendium, because so far the tournament has sunk to my expectations wonderfully. Honestly, I don't know why I get hopeful anymore. Always they'll try to make the tournament seem exciting like, that they fixed previous issues... Yeah no. Still to this day, 95% of Dota 2 associations are a complete joke. This tournament will hurt Dota more than help it if it keeps going like this. Edit: Apologies for my bitching. even the big bad LoL worlds have technical problems, this is not limited to DOTA2. BW never had these screw ups. Quake, Counter Strike... 10 years ago the average tournament with a prize pool of $1k was ran smoother. Just recently my memories of law tournaments have been really bad in Dota 2. Summit 2 filled with plague, and many others, and now supposedly the 2nd biggest tournament of the year also. BW never had these screw ups because it was run by Korea. China is not Korea. The rest of the world is not Korea. Korea has the fastest/second fastest internet speed in the world. It has the most advanced online gaming infrastructure in the world. It's nice to pretend that professional gaming is actually professional outside of Korea but in the end, the facts speak for themselves. I think Riot's LCS, Blizzard's WCS, and Valve's TI are the only professionally run video game competitions outside of Korea. Everyone else is basically an amateur. I am sure there had several technical fuck-ups in BW's long illustrious life as the progenitor of ESPORT, I mean it's just statistically and physically impossible otherwise. And no when BW was dominant the Internet wasn't even a thing.
BW was dominant from approximately 2000-2010, the internet was certainly a thing at that point.
And yes, there were several technical fuckups, most famously the power outage incident. It was rare overall, though.
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On January 29 2015 16:52 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 16:48 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2015 16:38 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:35 ref4 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:31 Jaaaaasper wrote:On January 29 2015 16:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I just still don't understand how you can have a 2.5 million prize pool tourney, and have players talking during a pause in the game about how awful this tournament is because of the lag.
Cannot believe that these tech issues are that hard to deal with. Low quality production crew or equipment is likely. I mean I don't think I've ever seen a Chinese tournament with out these issues. Theres a reason I didn't buy the compendium, because so far the tournament has sunk to my expectations wonderfully. Honestly, I don't know why I get hopeful anymore. Always they'll try to make the tournament seem exciting like, that they fixed previous issues... Yeah no. Still to this day, 95% of Dota 2 associations are a complete joke. This tournament will hurt Dota more than help it if it keeps going like this. Edit: Apologies for my bitching. even the big bad LoL worlds have technical problems, this is not limited to DOTA2. BW never had these screw ups. Quake, Counter Strike... 10 years ago the average tournament with a prize pool of $1k was ran smoother. Just recently my memories of law tournaments have been really bad in Dota 2. Summit 2 filled with plague, and many others, and now supposedly the 2nd biggest tournament of the year also. BW never had these screw ups because it was run by Korea. China is not Korea. The rest of the world is not Korea. Korea has the fastest/second fastest internet speed in the world. It has the most advanced online gaming infrastructure in the world. It's nice to pretend that professional gaming is actually professional outside of Korea but in the end, the facts speak for themselves. I think Riot's LCS, Blizzard's WCS, and Valve's TI are the only professionally run video game competitions outside of Korea. Everyone else is basically an amateur. I am sure there had several technical fuck-ups in BW's long illustrious life as the progenitor of ESPORT, I mean it's just statistically and physically impossible otherwise. And no when BW was dominant the Internet wasn't even a thing.
Well of course there were mistakes... But there was an issue in maybe 0.2-0.5% of games (pulled out of my butt from memory). Compared to Dota, where 30-50% of games have something go wrong, whether huge days, pauses, lag, PC issues, Skype issues, broken keyboard, mouse, on and on.
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On January 29 2015 16:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 16:52 ref4 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:48 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2015 16:38 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:35 ref4 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:31 Jaaaaasper wrote:On January 29 2015 16:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I just still don't understand how you can have a 2.5 million prize pool tourney, and have players talking during a pause in the game about how awful this tournament is because of the lag.
Cannot believe that these tech issues are that hard to deal with. Low quality production crew or equipment is likely. I mean I don't think I've ever seen a Chinese tournament with out these issues. Theres a reason I didn't buy the compendium, because so far the tournament has sunk to my expectations wonderfully. Honestly, I don't know why I get hopeful anymore. Always they'll try to make the tournament seem exciting like, that they fixed previous issues... Yeah no. Still to this day, 95% of Dota 2 associations are a complete joke. This tournament will hurt Dota more than help it if it keeps going like this. Edit: Apologies for my bitching. even the big bad LoL worlds have technical problems, this is not limited to DOTA2. BW never had these screw ups. Quake, Counter Strike... 10 years ago the average tournament with a prize pool of $1k was ran smoother. Just recently my memories of law tournaments have been really bad in Dota 2. Summit 2 filled with plague, and many others, and now supposedly the 2nd biggest tournament of the year also. BW never had these screw ups because it was run by Korea. China is not Korea. The rest of the world is not Korea. Korea has the fastest/second fastest internet speed in the world. It has the most advanced online gaming infrastructure in the world. It's nice to pretend that professional gaming is actually professional outside of Korea but in the end, the facts speak for themselves. I think Riot's LCS, Blizzard's WCS, and Valve's TI are the only professionally run video game competitions outside of Korea. Everyone else is basically an amateur. I am sure there had several technical fuck-ups in BW's long illustrious life as the progenitor of ESPORT, I mean it's just statistically and physically impossible otherwise. And no when BW was dominant the Internet wasn't even a thing. Well of course there were mistakes... But there was an issue in maybe 0.2-0.5% of games (pulled out of my butt from memory). Compared to Dota, where 30-50% of games have something go wrong, whether huge days, pauses, lag, PC issues, Skype issues, broken keyboard, mouse, on and on.
power outage MSL never forget
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On January 29 2015 16:54 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 16:53 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:50 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:48 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2015 16:38 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:35 ref4 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:31 Jaaaaasper wrote:On January 29 2015 16:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I just still don't understand how you can have a 2.5 million prize pool tourney, and have players talking during a pause in the game about how awful this tournament is because of the lag.
Cannot believe that these tech issues are that hard to deal with. Low quality production crew or equipment is likely. I mean I don't think I've ever seen a Chinese tournament with out these issues. Theres a reason I didn't buy the compendium, because so far the tournament has sunk to my expectations wonderfully. Honestly, I don't know why I get hopeful anymore. Always they'll try to make the tournament seem exciting like, that they fixed previous issues... Yeah no. Still to this day, 95% of Dota 2 associations are a complete joke. This tournament will hurt Dota more than help it if it keeps going like this. Edit: Apologies for my bitching. even the big bad LoL worlds have technical problems, this is not limited to DOTA2. BW never had these screw ups. Quake, Counter Strike... 10 years ago the average tournament with a prize pool of $1k was ran smoother. Just recently my memories of law tournaments have been really bad in Dota 2. Summit 2 filled with plague, and many others, and now supposedly the 2nd biggest tournament of the year also. BW never had these screw ups because it was run by Korea. China is not Korea. The rest of the world is not Korea. Korea has the fastest/second fastest internet speed in the world. It has the most advanced online gaming infrastructure in the world. It's nice to pretend that professional gaming is actually professional outside of Korea but in the end, the facts speak for themselves. I think Riot's LCS, Blizzard's WCS, and Valve's TI are the only professionally run video game competitions outside of Korea. Everyone else is basically an amateur. BW never had those screw ups not because it had nice internet connections. But because all the games in serious leagues were LANs with TV translation of observers. And if we remember BW system requirements it kind of becomes obvious that having a PC fuck-ups was next to impossible there. And even then.... POWER OUTAGE. The system requirements increasing has no (or very little) relationship to a hardware failure. What is the risk of a i5 and gtx 760 fail, versus a celeron and integrated graphics. It's not like we're pushing the knowledge of mankind here. Actually, i would say that i5 + gtx 760 has higher probability of failing: Source it bitten my friend in the ass when turning on computer had shut down electricity in his whole house.
If neither of us have some cited arguments, no point in arguing it. I don't agree however.
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On January 29 2015 16:50 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 16:48 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2015 16:38 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:35 ref4 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:31 Jaaaaasper wrote:On January 29 2015 16:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I just still don't understand how you can have a 2.5 million prize pool tourney, and have players talking during a pause in the game about how awful this tournament is because of the lag.
Cannot believe that these tech issues are that hard to deal with. Low quality production crew or equipment is likely. I mean I don't think I've ever seen a Chinese tournament with out these issues. Theres a reason I didn't buy the compendium, because so far the tournament has sunk to my expectations wonderfully. Honestly, I don't know why I get hopeful anymore. Always they'll try to make the tournament seem exciting like, that they fixed previous issues... Yeah no. Still to this day, 95% of Dota 2 associations are a complete joke. This tournament will hurt Dota more than help it if it keeps going like this. Edit: Apologies for my bitching. even the big bad LoL worlds have technical problems, this is not limited to DOTA2. BW never had these screw ups. Quake, Counter Strike... 10 years ago the average tournament with a prize pool of $1k was ran smoother. Just recently my memories of law tournaments have been really bad in Dota 2. Summit 2 filled with plague, and many others, and now supposedly the 2nd biggest tournament of the year also. BW never had these screw ups because it was run by Korea. China is not Korea. The rest of the world is not Korea. Korea has the fastest/second fastest internet speed in the world. It has the most advanced online gaming infrastructure in the world. It's nice to pretend that professional gaming is actually professional outside of Korea but in the end, the facts speak for themselves. I think Riot's LCS, Blizzard's WCS, and Valve's TI are the only professionally run video game competitions outside of Korea. Everyone else is basically an amateur. BW never had those screw ups not because it had nice internet connections. But because all the games in serious leagues were LANs with TV translation of observers. And if we remember BW system requirements it kind of becomes obvious that having a PC fuck-ups was next to impossible there. And even then.... POWER OUTAGE.
You know, there was a time when BW actually taxed your PC and network connection. Hindsight is 30/20. The bottom line is that KESPA kept up with the technology. In BW days they had PCs capable of handling BW. In SC 2 days they had PCs capable of handling SC 2. LoL actually requires less PC specs than SC 2 so that's entirely moot. And they had the great internet speeds that don't cause games to lag every 10-20 minutes regardless of whether they were playing on LAN/online, and network infrastructure that wasn't ultra-vulnerable to DDOS.
It's cool to cite power outages except power outages occur once in a blue moon while tournament lag occurs every 20 minutes.
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lol there are now two Na'Vi lobbies. Their...uh..."luck"...is just not great.
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Russian Federation1132 Posts
very strange pick by Secret. let's see how it plays out
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On January 29 2015 16:56 rebdomine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 16:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:52 ref4 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:48 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2015 16:38 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:35 ref4 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:31 Jaaaaasper wrote:On January 29 2015 16:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I just still don't understand how you can have a 2.5 million prize pool tourney, and have players talking during a pause in the game about how awful this tournament is because of the lag.
Cannot believe that these tech issues are that hard to deal with. Low quality production crew or equipment is likely. I mean I don't think I've ever seen a Chinese tournament with out these issues. Theres a reason I didn't buy the compendium, because so far the tournament has sunk to my expectations wonderfully. Honestly, I don't know why I get hopeful anymore. Always they'll try to make the tournament seem exciting like, that they fixed previous issues... Yeah no. Still to this day, 95% of Dota 2 associations are a complete joke. This tournament will hurt Dota more than help it if it keeps going like this. Edit: Apologies for my bitching. even the big bad LoL worlds have technical problems, this is not limited to DOTA2. BW never had these screw ups. Quake, Counter Strike... 10 years ago the average tournament with a prize pool of $1k was ran smoother. Just recently my memories of law tournaments have been really bad in Dota 2. Summit 2 filled with plague, and many others, and now supposedly the 2nd biggest tournament of the year also. BW never had these screw ups because it was run by Korea. China is not Korea. The rest of the world is not Korea. Korea has the fastest/second fastest internet speed in the world. It has the most advanced online gaming infrastructure in the world. It's nice to pretend that professional gaming is actually professional outside of Korea but in the end, the facts speak for themselves. I think Riot's LCS, Blizzard's WCS, and Valve's TI are the only professionally run video game competitions outside of Korea. Everyone else is basically an amateur. I am sure there had several technical fuck-ups in BW's long illustrious life as the progenitor of ESPORT, I mean it's just statistically and physically impossible otherwise. And no when BW was dominant the Internet wasn't even a thing. Well of course there were mistakes... But there was an issue in maybe 0.2-0.5% of games (pulled out of my butt from memory). Compared to Dota, where 30-50% of games have something go wrong, whether huge days, pauses, lag, PC issues, Skype issues, broken keyboard, mouse, on and on. power outage MSL never forget
Yeah, it happened. But like said before... It was a rare occurrence. It was shitty it happened, but look at all these pauses and disconnects due to lag that can switch outcomes of games.
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On January 29 2015 16:57 Nerfed wrote:
very strange pick by Secret. let's see how it plays out
Hm, three melee cores against a Magnus and an Earthshaker.
Should be fine.
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On January 29 2015 16:57 Nerfed wrote:
very strange pick by Secret. let's see how it plays out
Looks manly as fuck to me. BB/Cent/Dazzle run around as an unkillable pack making space for Lycan to farm up and then go hit buildings.
I don't get what the Visage is for though...
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On January 29 2015 16:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 16:56 rebdomine wrote:On January 29 2015 16:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:52 ref4 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:48 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2015 16:38 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:35 ref4 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:31 Jaaaaasper wrote:On January 29 2015 16:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I just still don't understand how you can have a 2.5 million prize pool tourney, and have players talking during a pause in the game about how awful this tournament is because of the lag.
Cannot believe that these tech issues are that hard to deal with. Low quality production crew or equipment is likely. I mean I don't think I've ever seen a Chinese tournament with out these issues. Theres a reason I didn't buy the compendium, because so far the tournament has sunk to my expectations wonderfully. Honestly, I don't know why I get hopeful anymore. Always they'll try to make the tournament seem exciting like, that they fixed previous issues... Yeah no. Still to this day, 95% of Dota 2 associations are a complete joke. This tournament will hurt Dota more than help it if it keeps going like this. Edit: Apologies for my bitching. even the big bad LoL worlds have technical problems, this is not limited to DOTA2. BW never had these screw ups. Quake, Counter Strike... 10 years ago the average tournament with a prize pool of $1k was ran smoother. Just recently my memories of law tournaments have been really bad in Dota 2. Summit 2 filled with plague, and many others, and now supposedly the 2nd biggest tournament of the year also. BW never had these screw ups because it was run by Korea. China is not Korea. The rest of the world is not Korea. Korea has the fastest/second fastest internet speed in the world. It has the most advanced online gaming infrastructure in the world. It's nice to pretend that professional gaming is actually professional outside of Korea but in the end, the facts speak for themselves. I think Riot's LCS, Blizzard's WCS, and Valve's TI are the only professionally run video game competitions outside of Korea. Everyone else is basically an amateur. I am sure there had several technical fuck-ups in BW's long illustrious life as the progenitor of ESPORT, I mean it's just statistically and physically impossible otherwise. And no when BW was dominant the Internet wasn't even a thing. Well of course there were mistakes... But there was an issue in maybe 0.2-0.5% of games (pulled out of my butt from memory). Compared to Dota, where 30-50% of games have something go wrong, whether huge days, pauses, lag, PC issues, Skype issues, broken keyboard, mouse, on and on. power outage MSL never forget Yeah, it happened. But like said before... It was a rare occurrence. It was shitty it happened, but look at all these pauses and disconnects due to lag that can switch outcomes of games.
yeah, what made it even more shitty was the fact that it was a rare occurence (and the fact that it happened in a very interesting, close-fought game). At this point I kind of accept that pauses in dota are a thing. Which might be something that I shouldn't get used to.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On January 29 2015 16:56 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 16:50 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:48 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2015 16:38 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:35 ref4 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:31 Jaaaaasper wrote:On January 29 2015 16:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I just still don't understand how you can have a 2.5 million prize pool tourney, and have players talking during a pause in the game about how awful this tournament is because of the lag.
Cannot believe that these tech issues are that hard to deal with. Low quality production crew or equipment is likely. I mean I don't think I've ever seen a Chinese tournament with out these issues. Theres a reason I didn't buy the compendium, because so far the tournament has sunk to my expectations wonderfully. Honestly, I don't know why I get hopeful anymore. Always they'll try to make the tournament seem exciting like, that they fixed previous issues... Yeah no. Still to this day, 95% of Dota 2 associations are a complete joke. This tournament will hurt Dota more than help it if it keeps going like this. Edit: Apologies for my bitching. even the big bad LoL worlds have technical problems, this is not limited to DOTA2. BW never had these screw ups. Quake, Counter Strike... 10 years ago the average tournament with a prize pool of $1k was ran smoother. Just recently my memories of law tournaments have been really bad in Dota 2. Summit 2 filled with plague, and many others, and now supposedly the 2nd biggest tournament of the year also. BW never had these screw ups because it was run by Korea. China is not Korea. The rest of the world is not Korea. Korea has the fastest/second fastest internet speed in the world. It has the most advanced online gaming infrastructure in the world. It's nice to pretend that professional gaming is actually professional outside of Korea but in the end, the facts speak for themselves. I think Riot's LCS, Blizzard's WCS, and Valve's TI are the only professionally run video game competitions outside of Korea. Everyone else is basically an amateur. BW never had those screw ups not because it had nice internet connections. But because all the games in serious leagues were LANs with TV translation of observers. And if we remember BW system requirements it kind of becomes obvious that having a PC fuck-ups was next to impossible there. And even then.... POWER OUTAGE. You know, there was a time when BW actually taxed your PC and network connection. Hindsight is 30/20. The bottom line is that KESPA kept up with the technology. In BW days they had PCs capable of handling BW. In SC 2 days they had PCs capable of handling SC 2. LoL actually requires less PC specs than SC 2 so that's entirely moot. And they had the great internet speeds that don't cause games to lag every 10-20 minutes regardless of whether they were playing on LAN/online, and network infrastructure that wasn't ultra-vulnerable to DDOS. it's cool to cite power outages except power outages occur once in a blue moon while tournament lag occurs every 20 minutes.
You missed my main point: when your games does not care about network connection (i mean, Internet connection, and we all know that almost everyone in Korea in 21st century played BW on LAN) the probability of lag related fuck-ups goes down. Seriously goes down. Also, good luck trying to remotely DoS a computer that has no internet connection to speak of.
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Russian Federation1132 Posts
On January 29 2015 16:58 ASoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 16:57 Nerfed wrote:
very strange pick by Secret. let's see how it plays out Looks manly as fuck to me. BB/Cent/Dazzle run around as an unkillable pack making space for Lycan to farm up and then go hit buildings. I don't get what the Visage is for though...
but their teamfight vs ES and Magnus is absent imo
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Can y'all make a separate thread for non live thread discussion?
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ok thats it, keeping track of all additional delay they manage to acquire in the next days.
so far an average of about 15 minutes. not bad perfect world, not bad.
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On January 29 2015 17:00 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 16:56 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2015 16:50 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:48 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2015 16:38 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:35 ref4 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:31 Jaaaaasper wrote:On January 29 2015 16:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I just still don't understand how you can have a 2.5 million prize pool tourney, and have players talking during a pause in the game about how awful this tournament is because of the lag.
Cannot believe that these tech issues are that hard to deal with. Low quality production crew or equipment is likely. I mean I don't think I've ever seen a Chinese tournament with out these issues. Theres a reason I didn't buy the compendium, because so far the tournament has sunk to my expectations wonderfully. Honestly, I don't know why I get hopeful anymore. Always they'll try to make the tournament seem exciting like, that they fixed previous issues... Yeah no. Still to this day, 95% of Dota 2 associations are a complete joke. This tournament will hurt Dota more than help it if it keeps going like this. Edit: Apologies for my bitching. even the big bad LoL worlds have technical problems, this is not limited to DOTA2. BW never had these screw ups. Quake, Counter Strike... 10 years ago the average tournament with a prize pool of $1k was ran smoother. Just recently my memories of law tournaments have been really bad in Dota 2. Summit 2 filled with plague, and many others, and now supposedly the 2nd biggest tournament of the year also. BW never had these screw ups because it was run by Korea. China is not Korea. The rest of the world is not Korea. Korea has the fastest/second fastest internet speed in the world. It has the most advanced online gaming infrastructure in the world. It's nice to pretend that professional gaming is actually professional outside of Korea but in the end, the facts speak for themselves. I think Riot's LCS, Blizzard's WCS, and Valve's TI are the only professionally run video game competitions outside of Korea. Everyone else is basically an amateur. BW never had those screw ups not because it had nice internet connections. But because all the games in serious leagues were LANs with TV translation of observers. And if we remember BW system requirements it kind of becomes obvious that having a PC fuck-ups was next to impossible there. And even then.... POWER OUTAGE. You know, there was a time when BW actually taxed your PC and network connection. Hindsight is 30/20. The bottom line is that KESPA kept up with the technology. In BW days they had PCs capable of handling BW. In SC 2 days they had PCs capable of handling SC 2. LoL actually requires less PC specs than SC 2 so that's entirely moot. And they had the great internet speeds that don't cause games to lag every 10-20 minutes regardless of whether they were playing on LAN/online, and network infrastructure that wasn't ultra-vulnerable to DDOS. it's cool to cite power outages except power outages occur once in a blue moon while tournament lag occurs every 20 minutes. You missed my main point: when your games does not care about network connection (i mean, Internet connection, and we all know that almost everyone in Korea in 21st century played BW on LAN) the probability of lag related fuck-ups goes down. Seriously goes down. Also, good luck trying to remotely DoS a computer that has no internet connection to speak of.
I didn't miss it. I agree with it. But you have to explain why they didn't have issues even when they moved into games that didn't have LAN - for example SC 2 and Dota 2.
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Norway25712 Posts
On January 29 2015 16:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 16:56 rebdomine wrote:On January 29 2015 16:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:52 ref4 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:48 Azarkon wrote:On January 29 2015 16:38 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:35 ref4 wrote:On January 29 2015 16:33 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 29 2015 16:31 Jaaaaasper wrote:On January 29 2015 16:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I just still don't understand how you can have a 2.5 million prize pool tourney, and have players talking during a pause in the game about how awful this tournament is because of the lag.
Cannot believe that these tech issues are that hard to deal with. Low quality production crew or equipment is likely. I mean I don't think I've ever seen a Chinese tournament with out these issues. Theres a reason I didn't buy the compendium, because so far the tournament has sunk to my expectations wonderfully. Honestly, I don't know why I get hopeful anymore. Always they'll try to make the tournament seem exciting like, that they fixed previous issues... Yeah no. Still to this day, 95% of Dota 2 associations are a complete joke. This tournament will hurt Dota more than help it if it keeps going like this. Edit: Apologies for my bitching. even the big bad LoL worlds have technical problems, this is not limited to DOTA2. BW never had these screw ups. Quake, Counter Strike... 10 years ago the average tournament with a prize pool of $1k was ran smoother. Just recently my memories of law tournaments have been really bad in Dota 2. Summit 2 filled with plague, and many others, and now supposedly the 2nd biggest tournament of the year also. BW never had these screw ups because it was run by Korea. China is not Korea. The rest of the world is not Korea. Korea has the fastest/second fastest internet speed in the world. It has the most advanced online gaming infrastructure in the world. It's nice to pretend that professional gaming is actually professional outside of Korea but in the end, the facts speak for themselves. I think Riot's LCS, Blizzard's WCS, and Valve's TI are the only professionally run video game competitions outside of Korea. Everyone else is basically an amateur. I am sure there had several technical fuck-ups in BW's long illustrious life as the progenitor of ESPORT, I mean it's just statistically and physically impossible otherwise. And no when BW was dominant the Internet wasn't even a thing. Well of course there were mistakes... But there was an issue in maybe 0.2-0.5% of games (pulled out of my butt from memory). Compared to Dota, where 30-50% of games have something go wrong, whether huge days, pauses, lag, PC issues, Skype issues, broken keyboard, mouse, on and on. power outage MSL never forget Yeah, it happened. But like said before... It was a rare occurrence. It was shitty it happened, but look at all these pauses and disconnects due to lag that can switch outcomes of games.
I'm sure if there were 5v5 BW games with casters and spectators for 5 languages running these days they'd also have plenty issues with shitty connections and computers.
It doesn't make it ok, of course. It's just not a fair comparison. I agree that organizers should focus more on getting issues causing these huge delays fixed instead of hats for the compendium owners or whatever.
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On January 29 2015 17:00 trifecta wrote:
Can y'all make a separate thread for non live thread discussion?
well if there was no down time, yes.
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