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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
January 29 2015 07:14 GMT
#421
On January 29 2015 16:09 Sabu113 wrote:
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On January 29 2015 15:55 DucK- wrote:
On January 29 2015 15:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
Actually, at this point i think GK is right, venge is fucking terrible.


Heh I agreed with him, though not as extreme. Swap is the only good skill she has, and it's the only reason to pick her.


Feels like a week ago she was the tier 1 support with a good stun, armor reduction for rosh, swap and that dont you dare kill me aura.


Her stun is actually quite bad and the -armour and aura is kinda overrated. Swap is the only reason she should be picked, which means she doesn't deserve the first pick she is often getting.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
January 29 2015 07:16 GMT
#422
By the way, i remember support morph was picked in scrims with relatively not bad results. When we will see him in pro games, about time i see 4.25 stun in actual game.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
January 29 2015 07:16 GMT
#423
Mid dazzle is good, just not against sf.
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
January 29 2015 07:16 GMT
#424
On January 29 2015 16:10 CeriseCherries wrote:
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On January 29 2015 16:04 hfglgg wrote:
On January 29 2015 16:01 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On January 29 2015 15:59 hfglgg wrote:
On January 29 2015 15:55 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
it's clearly valve's fault more than perfectworld's, but you can stay ignorant all you want


no they can host it on local lobbies fine. its perfect worlds problem when they want to be greedy as fuck and want to sell ingame tickets that might put you in the situations where either your tournament sucks or you cant deliver for the purchasers of the ingame tickets.

they knew what they were working with and if they make decisions that actually hinder the viewer experience its bad business practice.

you cant guarantee your servers to be stable? dont sell ingame tickets!

except valve's the one who supports use of tickets; in fact i imagine hosting a big tournament while circumventing the ticket system might violate some of valve's stipulations... it's clear this is how valve wants things done, so it's valve's fault. simple


in this case its still perfect world who are in charge of the servers.
and no, tournaments can easily host on local lobbies. esl new york and dreamhack both did it from day one.


dude did perfectworld / China as a whole shit in your bed or something? reading through your comments its either perfect world are shitty, or apparently the "chinese way" is not wanting a fun tournament. im not calling you racist, but i am calling you out. if you don't enjoy it, don't watch it. if you enjoy it, well stop acting like perfectworld shot your dog. and apparently no chinese people like fun :/


i dont enjoy it but its still the second biggest tournament after the international. so as a dota fan you still watch it.

its similar to when your football team does super retarded decisions and you dont watch them in the stadium anymore, but you will still watch it at home on the tv. you are still a fan, even if you think its super retarded bullshit they do.

oh and yes, perfect world does a completely terrible job so far. as of now (day 1) they did nothing right and everything wrong.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
January 29 2015 07:17 GMT
#425
On January 29 2015 16:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
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On January 29 2015 16:12 Morbidius wrote:
Manta on dusa is so shit, the best thing it does is make you move a bit faster to get to your precious creeps. Don't ever get it if there's not a silencer on the other team.

Against silencer i would rather buy a bkb and euls.

Dusa really doesn't like buying bkb so if they made you buy one its already a win by itself.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
January 29 2015 07:17 GMT
#426
On January 29 2015 16:16 lolfail9001 wrote:
By the way, i remember support morph was picked in scrims with relatively not bad results. When we will see him in pro games, about time i see 4.25 stun in actual game.


Levels 1-5 will be the problem though. Doubt any pro team's gonna let the morph cliff jungle for 5min +
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 29 2015 07:18 GMT
#427
On January 29 2015 16:16 lolfail9001 wrote:
By the way, i remember support morph was picked in scrims with relatively not bad results. When we will see him in pro games, about time i see 4.25 stun in actual game.


Has anyone run him offlane (vs not-so-great trilanes)? This is just me theorycrafting, but it feels like if you want to make use of his utility without raping your early-game, that would be the lane for him.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
January 29 2015 07:19 GMT
#428
On January 29 2015 16:14 ref4 wrote:
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On January 29 2015 16:11 Azarkon wrote:
On January 29 2015 16:09 ch33psh33p wrote:
vg and newbee look like they hvaen't touched dota in weeks


Not at all the case for VG. According to interviews, they have been training, preparing, and trying new heroes. The result doesn't look all that great but it's easy to see how thinking too hard about a topic is capable of making you go down the wrong path. Dazzle mid was obviously the wrong path.


even my 3K mmr can tell you mid dazzle is a horrible choice


http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays/39569

Everyone said what awful picks. The Zoostrat became famous and so did Solo mid Dazzle for a bit after this game. Also I suggest you never talk again because I highly doubt you are even 3k lol.
All Dota 2 casters are bad at their job
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
January 29 2015 07:19 GMT
#429
On January 29 2015 16:17 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2015 16:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
On January 29 2015 16:12 Morbidius wrote:
Manta on dusa is so shit, the best thing it does is make you move a bit faster to get to your precious creeps. Don't ever get it if there's not a silencer on the other team.

Against silencer i would rather buy a bkb and euls.

Dusa really doesn't like buying bkb so if they made you buy one its already a win by itself.

No hero likes buying bkb, but that does not stop bkb from being the best item you can get against a team that decided to counter you by buying 3 halberds and/or euls.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
January 29 2015 07:19 GMT
#430
On January 29 2015 16:17 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2015 16:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
On January 29 2015 16:12 Morbidius wrote:
Manta on dusa is so shit, the best thing it does is make you move a bit faster to get to your precious creeps. Don't ever get it if there's not a silencer on the other team.

Against silencer i would rather buy a bkb and euls.

Dusa really doesn't like buying bkb so if they made you buy one its already a win by itself.


Erm dusa SHOULD be buying bkb. Thats probably the most underused item on her.
Valhalla44
Profile Joined May 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina983 Posts
January 29 2015 07:19 GMT
#431
VICI WTF ARE U DOING!
Dat draft :facepalm:.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
January 29 2015 07:19 GMT
#432
On January 29 2015 16:17 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2015 16:16 lolfail9001 wrote:
By the way, i remember support morph was picked in scrims with relatively not bad results. When we will see him in pro games, about time i see 4.25 stun in actual game.


Levels 1-5 will be the problem though. Doubt any pro team's gonna let the morph cliff jungle for 5min +

What about offlane? I mean, you sort of only want levels in this case. You kinda force yourself to pick some insane damage hero as other cores, up to the levels of ursa.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
ncsix
Profile Joined February 2012
1370 Posts
January 29 2015 07:20 GMT
#433
On January 29 2015 16:16 DucK- wrote:
Mid dazzle is good, just not against sf.


Probably not against EG's Sumail who seem to only play ranged heroes, esp. SF and Storm.
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
January 29 2015 07:21 GMT
#434
On January 29 2015 16:14 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2015 16:09 Sabu113 wrote:
On January 29 2015 15:55 DucK- wrote:
On January 29 2015 15:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
Actually, at this point i think GK is right, venge is fucking terrible.


Heh I agreed with him, though not as extreme. Swap is the only good skill she has, and it's the only reason to pick her.


Feels like a week ago she was the tier 1 support with a good stun, armor reduction for rosh, swap and that dont you dare kill me aura.


Her stun is actually quite bad and the -armour and aura is kinda overrated. Swap is the only reason she should be picked, which means she doesn't deserve the first pick she is often getting.


I think you guys are under rating venge. Swap is amazing vs axe/troll/jug. Wave is good because it gives you rosh and you stack multiple camps now with it. The stun is a stun, which is good. Venge needs 0 farm and let's you run a greedier 4 pos.

stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 29 2015 07:21 GMT
#435
Look at that studio wall, you could drown a little pony in it and no one would notice.
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ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-29 07:23:10
January 29 2015 07:22 GMT
#436
On January 29 2015 16:19 GranDGranT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2015 16:14 ref4 wrote:
On January 29 2015 16:11 Azarkon wrote:
On January 29 2015 16:09 ch33psh33p wrote:
vg and newbee look like they hvaen't touched dota in weeks


Not at all the case for VG. According to interviews, they have been training, preparing, and trying new heroes. The result doesn't look all that great but it's easy to see how thinking too hard about a topic is capable of making you go down the wrong path. Dazzle mid was obviously the wrong path.


even my 3K mmr can tell you mid dazzle is a horrible choice


http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays/39569

Everyone said what awful picks. The Zoostrat became famous and so did Solo mid Dazzle for a bit after this game. Also I suggest you never talk again because I highly doubt you are even 3k lol.


this was 4 years ago, lifestealer was also first pick first ban years ago but he's pretty shit right now.

my point is dazzle mid is terrible right now.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
January 29 2015 07:22 GMT
#437
I appreciate the downtime. It lets me be productive doing other things, which make me feel less sad about my life.

Delays are juuuuuust fine.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
January 29 2015 07:23 GMT
#438
"Play us out! What does that mean? Fuck it"

Oh the references bruno :O
IPT.PromilKid: I'm only good at Marvel
GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
January 29 2015 07:23 GMT
#439
Oh boy , I suggest we dont do any sort of theory crafting in this thread and we just comment how players look or something, cause yall are giving my 2nd hand embarassment
All Dota 2 casters are bad at their job
Kirsed
Profile Joined May 2013
9380 Posts
January 29 2015 07:24 GMT
#440
Grant you going to be doing any casting with Maut or anyone during group stage?
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