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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
These 6 pools... there is nothing to see. The difference is that if you fail you don't lose immediately. IN SC2 there is no second chance, here you have multiple chances, because your heroes will fall off 30 mins + , and you plan to end game 15 mins earlier, even if you dont, you get at least 1 lane of rax... Hopefully the next big patch will fix that. | ||
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gLhF.Revere
978 Posts
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On July 21 2014 14:56 Namunelbo wrote: I just missed it... What was that ESPN thing all about? A segment dedicated to Dota? Live interview? All I see now are some crossfit games... Wow, crossfit is really big in the US... Didn't miss a ton. A little thing about how each team got to the finals, an interview with Xiao8 and RotK where they asked 3 questions to them, Gaben interview, predictions, random marriage proposal from the crowd. Edit: CountChocula threw it up in another thread if you're interested | ||
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yyfpulls
United States2185 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On July 21 2014 14:56 NInoff wrote: And i thought that rat dota was boring. These 6 pools... there is nothing to see. The difference is that if you fail you don't lose immediately. IN SC2 there is no second chance, here you have multiple chances, because your heroes will fall off 30 mins + , and you plan to end game 15 mins earlier, even if you dont, you get at least 1 lane of rax. in the case of this strat, "fail" = run out of steam before taking rax and have no shot at outscaling the other team, while it seems like you're defining it as "take all outer towers but wait on taking rax," which is more like this strat "going even." VG doesn't necessarily plan to end the game at 15 minutes, it just so happened that their opponents often drafted/laned so badly that it turned out that way. you're oversimplifying how strong push strats are, basically but yea it's typical that someone who thoguht rat dota was boring would think this is boring. i'd agree that both are boring to watch sometimes, but conceptually, they present interesting puzzles in terms of draft strategy (how to beat them? what are they best against? how do you even build the best earlygame push or rat strategy?) a lot of the enjoyment i get out of dota is trying to figure out how losing teams could've drafted or laned better to win | ||
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Pseudoku
Canada1279 Posts
On July 21 2014 15:31 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: in the case of this strat, "fail" = run out of steam before taking rax and have no shot at outscaling the other team, while it seems like you're defining it as "take all outer towers but wait on taking rax," which is more like this strat "going even." VG doesn't necessarily plan to end the game at 15 minutes, it just so happened that their opponents often drafted/laned so badly that it turned out that way. you're oversimplifying how strong push strats are, basically Yeah, VG was even planning for the game to go longer, with Leshrac finishing his midas before rtz (lol) | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On July 21 2014 13:25 GiveMeYourtTots wrote: This game needs a huge patch, like 6.78 was. Some change to the game will nerf pushing strats because A: they are boring and B: Because they are way too good. They praised Sylars farm in game 1 but really it was mainly tower gold, so no, it wasn't that impressive. How can you get bored in a 15 min game? Teams need to learn to gank a lot by the 10 minute mark. the vg deathball needs some items before it starts rolling. if you kill them early and delay those items by a few minutes you got a huge advantage. ofc if you pick TA vs razor and go midas you lose. If anything needs nerfing, it's the radiance naga and blink furion. the vg push is strong, but it falls off pretty quickly and can definitely be countered, especially since you see it coming a mile away. the main reason it worked so well this ti is cuz nobody expected it, everyone prepared for something else. but like 1 month from now, nobody's gonna do it anymore cuz it will get figured out really fast. | ||
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CherryNubCakes
United States972 Posts
On July 21 2014 15:50 Kabras wrote: How can you get bored in a 15 min game? Teams need to learn to gank a lot by the 10 minute mark. the vg deathball needs some items before it starts rolling. if you kill them early and delay those items by a few minutes you got a huge advantage. ofc if you pick TA vs razor and go midas you lose. If anything needs nerfing, it's the radiance naga and blink furion. the vg push is strong, but it falls off pretty quickly and can definitely be countered, especially since you see it coming a mile away. the main reason it worked so well this ti is cuz nobody expected it, everyone prepared for something else. but like 1 month from now, nobody's gonna do it anymore cuz it will get figured out really fast. Radiance Naga has a counter, though. It's the 15 minute VG deathball. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On July 21 2014 15:53 OuchyDathurts wrote: The thing is EG knew VG were just pushing the doors down during the group stage and drafted to put an end to it. Then for some reason..... as a c9 fan, "for some reason" is all too familiar to me | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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Teton
France1656 Posts
On July 21 2014 13:25 GiveMeYourtTots wrote: This game needs a huge patch, like 6.78 was. Some change to the game will nerf pushing strats because A: they are boring and B: Because they are way too good. They praised Sylars farm in game 1 but really it was mainly tower gold, so no, it wasn't that impressive. what about drafting against that and not go super greedy | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Still feels sour that c9 didn't beat them, they looked so much closer than dk and if they hadn't done that lvl 1 rosh (or if it succeeded) I feel like c9 woulda been vs eg ;; oh well, time to cheer for vg in the finals | ||
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Teton
France1656 Posts
On July 21 2014 16:14 Iplaythings wrote: Atlesat VG is by far the most interesting CN team for me, fy-god and rotk. Still feels sour that c9 didn't beat them, they looked so much closer than dk and if they hadn't done that lvl 1 rosh (or if it succeeded) I feel like c9 woulda been vs eg ;; oh well, time to cheer for vg in the finals go fb u scrub :3 | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/02lnk52.jpg) did anyone miss this? 'satisfied? are you satisfied? I ask that are you satisfied? - I will (fcking) satisfy you fully' - ROAD TO THE KING FUCK YEAH VG (passed out halfway after game1 -_- glad that they won yes) | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
What was the third game like? Same as the others, classic greed? I really hope Newbee was watching, and figured out that going no depush against VG is just a flat out bad idea. | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
How many items did you bet? I like your chances : ) | ||
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Sr18
Netherlands1141 Posts
On July 21 2014 13:25 GiveMeYourtTots wrote: This game needs a huge patch, like 6.78 was. Some change to the game will nerf pushing strats because A: they are boring and B: Because they are way too good. This game needs less greedy drafts. And Kotl. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
True. Perhaps the good old KotL/PL combo should make a come back! | ||
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