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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19349 Posts
May 27 2014 09:56 GMT
#1021
c9 too cocky lol
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WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
May 27 2014 09:57 GMT
#1022
Inb4 drama about lack of respect/not taking this portion of the tourney seriously.

C9 has to get 1st or 4th for [A] vs C9 finals, so going for fourth? :D
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 27 2014 09:57 GMT
#1023
On May 27 2014 18:56 kirsed wrote:
Poll: Play style you enjoy the most?

Pioneer, innovative, artistic, heavy micro (Boxer) (3)
 
50%

Aggressive, all out brute force (July's ZvT, Kingdom's PvP) (2)
 
33%

Hybrid of everything: great micro+macro+timing, sometimes unorthodox/do-or-die (Reach, Nada) (1)
 
17%

Heavy macro, playing like a machine (iloveoov+very well defined timing, Blackman) (0)
 
0%

Artistic, innovative, unorthodox emphasizing on BO (Ra) (0)
 
0%

By the book (TheMarine, Doggi, Zeus, Xellos, most zergs) (0)
 
0%

(Vote): Cheese (Silent_Control) (0)
 
0%

6 total votes

Your vote: Play style you enjoy the most?

(Vote): Heavy macro, playing like a machine (iloveoov+very well defined timing, Blackman)
(Vote): Pioneer, innovative, artistic, heavy micro (Boxer)
(Vote): Artistic, innovative, unorthodox emphasizing on BO (Ra)
(Vote): Aggressive, all out brute force (July's ZvT, Kingdom's PvP)
(Vote): Hybrid of everything: great micro+macro+timing, sometimes unorthodox/do-or-die (Reach, Nada)
(Vote): By the book (TheMarine, Doggi, Zeus, Xellos, most zergs)
(Vote): (Vote): Cheese (Silent_Control)


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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
May 27 2014 09:57 GMT
#1024
On May 27 2014 18:55 drew-chan wrote:
How many opportunities does C9 have to experiment drafts in official matches (that does not knock you out) before TI?

Seems like they made a choice, regardless of wise or not, to take these group stage matches as learning/experiment time.

Hiding strats for bracket
Experimenting for TI
Only lan bracket matters

I miss anything?
Exoteric
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2330 Posts
May 27 2014 09:57 GMT
#1025
well that was as good a time as any to try out weird drafts. seems a bit too dependant on perfect team fights unfortunately
hell is other people
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
May 27 2014 09:57 GMT
#1026
On May 27 2014 18:55 drew-chan wrote:
How many opportunities does C9 have to experiment drafts in official matches (that does not knock you out) before TI?

Seems like they made a choice, regardless of wise or not, to take these group stage matches as learning/experiment time.


Well, group stages here are just for placement in the bracket, no real eliminations. Either they're really confident in their standard play, wanted to learn/experiment or are just "positioning" themselves (which is probably unlikely given it's their first game)
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 27 2014 09:57 GMT
#1027
DK vs. NewBee time i guess
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WashMyBack
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland46 Posts
May 27 2014 09:58 GMT
#1028
Outdrafted, outplayed. Aui switch back to carry pls.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-27 09:58:56
May 27 2014 09:58 GMT
#1029
On May 27 2014 18:56 lilopuppy wrote:
What lost the game? The draft or the missplays? No matter what, C9 will still win TI4 up to TI322. :p

Misplays, the bad teamfight threw their entire advantage and after that they just died one by one.
The choice to go arcanes before blink on SK was also weird.

Their draft could've worked but would've required much better execution.
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-27 10:01:13
May 27 2014 09:58 GMT
#1030
On May 27 2014 18:56 lilopuppy wrote:
What lost the game? The draft or the missplays? No matter what, C9 will still win TI4 up to TI322. :p

Plenty of things, but when C9 didnt hit their Silencer/SK ulti combo they just didnt seem to win fights. Couple that with a useless SB offlaner, better pushing, better farming capacity (midas invo + doom) and rosh advantage. When VG won fights towers went down, nothing happened when C9 won.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
May 27 2014 09:58 GMT
#1031
oh man, rox vs VP, totally forgot about that
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
May 27 2014 09:59 GMT
#1032
On May 27 2014 18:56 lilopuppy wrote:
What lost the game? The draft or the missplays? No matter what, C9 will still win TI4 up to TI322. :p

BKBs + doom on SingSing meant that C9 dealt no damage, also 0 counterpush against Invoker that gets 11min necrobook.
drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
May 27 2014 10:00 GMT
#1033
On May 27 2014 18:57 Count9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 18:55 drew-chan wrote:
How many opportunities does C9 have to experiment drafts in official matches (that does not knock you out) before TI?

Seems like they made a choice, regardless of wise or not, to take these group stage matches as learning/experiment time.

Hiding strats for bracket
Experimenting for TI
Only lan bracket matters

I miss anything?


I only stated that they 'seemed' to make the choice to experiment. Please don't assume anyone defending C9 to be their fan. I'm much more interested in Titan despite their recent form.

That being said, you could see that specific strat working, just need to work on coordination and polish to their play.
...
Kirsed
Profile Joined May 2013
9380 Posts
May 27 2014 10:01 GMT
#1034
Feels like C9 haven't ever seen vici play. They are the most one dimensional t1 team right now and you should be able to deal with them through draft alone even when doing a pocket strat.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
May 27 2014 10:02 GMT
#1035
It's a good time to experiment, and also I think drafting new stuff here puts you in a better position for the playoffs because teams don't have a clear idea what you actually want to draft against them. I think the two first real 5v5 fights showed how powerful their lineup can be, they just made some poor decisions when going in without the Silencer ult at a critical time. If they continue to dominate at that point and take some towers, the Silencer will probably get his refresher in a timely fashion and even a bkb won't save the Invoker nor the Doom. But now instead they ended up giving VG gold and time to farm up their crucial items
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-27 10:05:33
May 27 2014 10:05 GMT
#1036
I think you should read into less this loss. It was obviously an experimental draft. And considering all teams advance from group plays it could definitely be argued how much its worth to bring your A-draft for a not very important group match. They wouldnt ever draft this in the grand final.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
May 27 2014 10:05 GMT
#1037
That was a stupid draft by c9. No other way to put it. Once bkbs came up they lost. Once nyx hit level 16 they lost. If doom got initiation on silencer they lost. If they messed up a single part of their complex team fight they lost. If troll built a blink they lost. There was just way to much that could go wrong with that draft. Its like they thought they were playing with a server advantage.
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Kirsed
Profile Joined May 2013
9380 Posts
May 27 2014 10:06 GMT
#1038
I think it's fine to do these picks Their bans were just garbage. Completely worthless and had zero effect.
BadAim
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway879 Posts
May 27 2014 10:07 GMT
#1039
It was like I was watching Sing streaming with his friends and doing all kinds of crazy shit. Really clowny
My esports soul belongs to: Boxer | White-Ra | Daigo Umehara | Nazgul | IceFrog
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
May 27 2014 10:08 GMT
#1040
Well the draft is one thing, but I don't think they lost it because of the draft. It was just that for their draft it was crucial that they use their advantage in 5v5 fights early to get a heavy lead. Now they made crucial mistakes right when they were supposed to be stronger than VG, and the draft was pretty unforgiving for that sort of thing because they really couldn't do anything afterwards against the bkbs
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