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On September 03 2012 07:57 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:55 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On September 03 2012 07:52 Manit0u wrote:
So, according to Bruno LGD is going to lose G1 (Morph pick).
btw. what's 'pipe' and 'drums'? Been out of DotA for quite some years. Pipe = Khaldor's Pipe of Insight. Shield block damage. Drums = Jjango. Upgrade from Bracer. Give speed boost vroom vroom Barrier Idol and Energizer would be HoN equivalents more or less then? Can anyone confirm? Until then I'll consider them such. Edit: Yes they are. And I didn't know Liquipedia had a DotA2 page 
Sort of. Pipe is very similar to Barrior Idol, but Pipe is still a lot better because it lasts a lot longer of a time.
Drums are only KIND of like Energizer. Energizer gives a significant movespeed boost when activated, but with a long cooldown and favors Agi with its stats. Drums give a movespeed and attackspeed aura, which when activated give a larger amount of it, and gives +9 to every stat
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Will Tobiwan cast grand finals?!
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On September 03 2012 08:00 DoNotDisturb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:57 ShiaoPi wrote:
Who is still with me from asia? Started watching at 1 AM now it's 7 AM and I am soooo pumped for the rest of the matches!! :D I need a nap... but I just know that if I try to take a 2 hour nap, I'll end up not waking up even with alarms.
I am gonna chill for abit now. Grand finals BO5 inc^^
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On September 03 2012 07:57 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:55 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On September 03 2012 07:52 Manit0u wrote:
So, according to Bruno LGD is going to lose G1 (Morph pick).
btw. what's 'pipe' and 'drums'? Been out of DotA for quite some years. Pipe = Khaldor's Pipe of Insight. Shield block damage. Drums = Jjango. Upgrade from Bracer. Give speed boost vroom vroom Barrier Idol and Energizer would be HoN equivalents more or less then? Can anyone confirm? Until then I'll consider them such. Edit: Yes they are. And I didn't know Liquipedia had a DotA2 page
You can use this page:
http://honwiki.net/wiki/DotA_vs_HoN
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On September 03 2012 08:02 nosliw wrote:
OP not updated. Anyone knows what happened in Navi vs LGD?
Navi 2-1 LGD
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On September 03 2012 07:57 ShiaoPi wrote:
Who is still with me from asia? Started watching at 1 AM now it's 7 AM and I am soooo pumped for the rest of the matches!! :D
275000 viewers
500000 viewers when including China
You're far from alone 
But it's definitely sad that there's that many people watching from ONE country, huge population or not, and all they hear is a crowd booing their heroes fighting on foreign soil while a foreigner killing one creep gets huge cheers and chants.
Valve better not host the next one in China!
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game clock is at the top -middle of the screen.
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On September 03 2012 08:02 nosliw wrote:
OP not updated. Anyone knows what happened in Navi vs LGD?
You need to see it. Words can't explain. 
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On September 03 2012 08:02 Oboeman wrote:
where is the game clock?
top middle
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On September 03 2012 08:02 Oboeman wrote:
where is the game clock?
top middle.....
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On September 03 2012 08:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:59 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2012 07:55 Shikyo wrote:On September 03 2012 07:51 dibbaN wrote:On September 03 2012 07:46 Shikyo wrote:On September 03 2012 07:44 dibbaN wrote:On September 03 2012 07:42 Firebolt145 wrote:
IMO XBOCT certainly isn't the strongest on Na`Vi. He's definitely extremely good, but not quite legendary status of Dendi/Puppey/LoH. I would even place Ars-art above XBOCT if I had to simply based on his long gaming history. Completely agree. In fact XBOCT made several mistakes during this series, that really shows how strong players the rest are to be able to counterweigh that! Like? I'd again like to point at game 1 where despite an AWFUL start he managed to get numerous kills and became #1 in farm in the whole game, him completely carrying in game 2 and 3, amazing farm in game 3 on a freaking Faceless Void who's not even picked ever. It's like people completely ignore carry players. Killing heroes = you're a god. However farming well should be automatic and when you do that it's no big deal and no-skill. Stop talking. I know NaVi, I've followed them since before DotA2. XBOCT is a great player, but is the most inconsistent of their players recently. Farming is not hard for any good carry player, it's all about the team working around you, allowing you to farm. There were several situations when he was waiting too long with the chrono. But if you want something concrete - focusing a Tide who has popped his ulti. Not killing a hero who was stuck in chrono with 20% and instead hitting DS ending up getting noone. Notice how he got hexed during the gap between his chronosphere and bkb? That's a mistake. Happened several times. Don't get me wrong, I love NaVi and they are ALL great players. It's just that XBOCT isn't up to his usual standard, maybe its nerves? I've followed them before DotA2 as well. In fact far before Dendi even was in Na'Vi. He sure played consistently in all 3 of these games - I just said he was the best player in the series. Yet for some reason many carry players still fail at it especially when their team is getting crushed - This was not the case with XBOCT. This actually was the case with LGD's carry who's regarded to be a far better player - Funny isn't it? There probably were several situations where Dendi for instance fucked up as well, getting hit by that ravage comes to mind. Making mistakes isn't as bad if the rest of your play is so good. Well I sure wish I had a player in my team who when nervous manage to carry his team with a 11-2 score 650+ gpm 400+ cs despite making mistakes. Oh man how dreadful. And don't forget that, again, he was #1 in farm in the game Na'Vi lost despite getting decimated earlygame and being against one of the best carries in the world. In that he was the only player who actually did anything. Look - I don't disagree that XBOCT is an AMAZING player. Just in a world where where Dendi/Puppey/LoH are S++++++ class, XBOCT is only S++ class, to me. I think I could argue that if xboct were on any team but na`vi it wouldn't work out for the better. If I said he replaced pajkatt would CLG be better? Probably not. If dendi replaced anyone they would be just as good if not better.
That's another way of seeing it, yes. XBOCT also really fits into the Na`Vi lineup, they work well with him. There is no way we could say if another carry which I would initially rate higher than XBOCT (like Burning, and of course ZSMJ) would work better in Na`Vi's lineup.
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On September 03 2012 08:02 Oboeman wrote:
where is the game clock?
In the middle on the top.
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So the finals will be a clean (no advantage to either teams) Bo5 right?
I just want to see good games.
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On September 03 2012 07:59 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:58 Shikyo wrote:On September 03 2012 07:55 Salazarz wrote:
People just have to complain about everything. There's always hundreds of whine-posts in SC2 double-elim finals because one side having an advantage in grand finals before the actual grand finals even start is not very... grand. Now Valve does it this way and lo and behold, hundreds of whine posts again.
Personally, I like this way a lot more, especially if the grand finals are played on same day as other matches. There is absolutely no reason to think that coming from winner's bracket is NOT an advantage, so it's not like teams are going to throw games or whatever. You're going to be fresher, maybe have an extra special strat saved up, have an extra chance to observe your opponents' games... it is an advantage, however small you may want to claim it is - and the finals actually start off on even footing, which is nice. Just have single elim instead, then. Fairness is pretty important when a million dollars is on the line. Also those people who complain don't know the format. Don't give the team that wins all their sets a disadvantage in comparison to all the others. Does that make sense to you ? And with all that rant out of the way IG-LGD is starting, let's see what'll happen. Why not 16 teams league format for ultimate fairness then? They had the time to do it.
Is this called a slippery slope argument? I'm not familiar with the English terms.
If you do a double elimination format you don't do it up to the final stage and then remove it as if it never was there. Just do single elimination.
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On September 03 2012 08:00 DoNotDisturb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:57 ShiaoPi wrote:
Who is still with me from asia? Started watching at 1 AM now it's 7 AM and I am soooo pumped for the rest of the matches!! :D I need a nap... but I just know that if I try to take a 2 hour nap, I'll end up not waking up even with alarms.
Same problem with me, Ive been staying up all night all weekend and its catching up with me but its so worth it. Just hope i dont fall asleep
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On September 03 2012 07:55 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:51 dibbaN wrote:On September 03 2012 07:46 Shikyo wrote:On September 03 2012 07:44 dibbaN wrote:On September 03 2012 07:42 Firebolt145 wrote:
IMO XBOCT certainly isn't the strongest on Na`Vi. He's definitely extremely good, but not quite legendary status of Dendi/Puppey/LoH. I would even place Ars-art above XBOCT if I had to simply based on his long gaming history. Completely agree. In fact XBOCT made several mistakes during this series, that really shows how strong players the rest are to be able to counterweigh that! Like? I'd again like to point at game 1 where despite an AWFUL start he managed to get numerous kills and became #1 in farm in the whole game, him completely carrying in game 2 and 3, amazing farm in game 3 on a freaking Faceless Void who's not even picked ever. It's like people completely ignore carry players. Killing heroes = you're a god. However farming well should be automatic and when you do that it's no big deal and no-skill. Stop talking. I know NaVi, I've followed them since before DotA2. XBOCT is a great player, but is the most inconsistent of their players recently. Farming is not hard for any good carry player, it's all about the team working around you, allowing you to farm. There were several situations when he was waiting too long with the chrono. But if you want something concrete - focusing a Tide who has popped his ulti. Not killing a hero who was stuck in chrono with 20% and instead hitting DS ending up getting noone. Notice how he got hexed during the gap between his chronosphere and bkb? That's a mistake. Happened several times. Don't get me wrong, I love NaVi and they are ALL great players. It's just that XBOCT isn't up to his usual standard, maybe its nerves? I've followed them before DotA2 as well. In fact far before Dendi even was in Na'Vi. He sure played consistently in all 3 of these games - I just said he was the best player in the series. Yet for some reason many carry players still fail at it especially when their team is getting crushed - This was not the case with XBOCT. This actually was the case with LGD's carry who's regarded to be a far better player - Funny isn't it? There probably were several situations where Dendi for instance fucked up as well, getting hit by that ravage comes to mind. Making mistakes isn't as bad if the rest of your play is so good. Well I sure wish I had a player in my team who when nervous manage to carry his team with a 11-2 score 650+ gpm 400+ cs despite making mistakes. Oh man how dreadful. And don't forget that, again, he was #1 in farm in the game Na'Vi lost despite getting decimated earlygame and being against one of the best carries in the world. In that he was the only player who actually did anything.
Pretty sure you didn't follow dota for very long since you seem to believe that carry players don't get enough praise, along the years the exact opposite of what you are saying has happened to extremes, if you ask who played for Kingsurf most of t hose that were there will say Yamateh and remember nobody else, who played for Zenith ?Hyhy, etc. Carriers have been in the spotlight since this game was created. SK.Dota dominated the dota scene for a brief moment, yet only Loda got praised, loda this, loda that, loda loda loda.
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