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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
September 02 2012 22:57 GMT
#19161
Who is still with me from asia? Started watching at 1 AM now it's 7 AM and I am soooo pumped for the rest of the matches!! :D
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Evermourn
Profile Joined August 2011
227 Posts
September 02 2012 22:57 GMT
#19162
Somebody a few pages back said it's interesting that Na'Vi practiced less than any of the Chinese teams in preparation for TI2, but I have to disagree. The Chinese did practice 3 months, but Na'Vi have been playing since TI1. The Chinese had to practice for 3 months straight just so they could get the feel of the game and play on a satisfactory level. The fact that they have only been playing for 3 months means they have no been able to develop their meta game like the Western teams have. You can say that the Chinese could just port over their Chinese meta game from DotA1, but multiple pros from different teams have said the two games feel different enough that strategies sometimes do not carry over 1 to 1. I would really like to see the Chinese eSports scene adopt Dota2 so the Chinese can become fully immersed in the game and develop their own game style. Perhaps then we can see a true clash of East vs West at the next TI.
Sphaero
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1697 Posts
September 02 2012 22:57 GMT
#19163
On September 03 2012 07:53 zul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:51 Sphaero wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:45 cecek wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:42 Evermourn wrote:
I wonder what the effect of Na'Vi winning The International for a second time will be on the competitive scene. Somehow, I just feel it's just not interesting to have one team dominate the scene for so long.

Also interesting that Na'Vi probably practiced the least out of all the teams... Apparently, you need something else than practice to be good at Dota.


Aside of their obvious talent, they have something a lot of different teams (especially western) lack. A huge amount of experience together. They just know each other so damn well that they are able to fuse so good.

Oh and the team with the least practice is obviously Mouz, who didn´t even knew they would play until one day before the prems.

I heard mouz bootcamped with NaVi before the tournament


They planned to do it, but could not do it in the end, because some players had other responsibilities. CWM also did not get visa, which made the bootcamp moot. They did not expect to play anyway. Something like loosing a passport is not something you can predict in the end.
Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
September 02 2012 22:57 GMT
#19164
On September 03 2012 07:56 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Rod Breslau ‏@Slasher
With the win, Na'Vi will earn at least $1,250,000 over 2 tournaments in a 1 year span. More than nearly all other eSports players.
That's $250,000 per player, not counting other events. Only MVP in 2011 had more, barely, with $253,000. Next one down is MC with $139,000.


That's crazy. Really crazy. And that's if they DONT win!
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
September 02 2012 22:57 GMT
#19165
On September 03 2012 07:57 zul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:55 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:52 Manit0u wrote:
So, according to Bruno LGD is going to lose G1 (Morph pick).

btw. what's 'pipe' and 'drums'? Been out of DotA for quite some years.

Pipe = Khaldor's Pipe of Insight. Shield block damage.
Drums = Jjango. Upgrade from Bracer. Give speed boost vroom vroom

haha nice typo "Khaldor"

Zzzz Need more sleep lol
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
September 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#19166
On September 03 2012 07:57 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:55 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:52 Manit0u wrote:
So, according to Bruno LGD is going to lose G1 (Morph pick).

btw. what's 'pipe' and 'drums'? Been out of DotA for quite some years.

Pipe = Khaldor's Pipe of Insight. Shield block damage.
Drums = Jjango. Upgrade from Bracer. Give speed boost vroom vroom


Barrier Idol and Energizer would be HoN equivalents more or less then? Can anyone confirm? Until then I'll consider them such.


Exactly. Drums are better than energizer though.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
September 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#19167
On September 03 2012 07:55 Hylirion wrote:
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On September 03 2012 07:52 Mordiford wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:49 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:47 Mordiford wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:44 Jaksiel wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s

Obvious bias much?

No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not?


There's a difference between extended series and giving the winner's bracket an advantage, you know. If winner's bracket has no advantage, it sort of defeats the purpose of having a winner's bracket and loser's bracket.

There is an advantage. Ask LGD if they want to play against iG in the lower bracket and then na`vi again.


Ask Navi if they'd rather get two chances in the finals or one with no actual option. Navi already beat iG.

It's an undeniable disadvantage when one team has two losses and the other team only gets one before they're eliminated.

That's such stupid reasoning jesus christ. You have losses but you have MORE WINS against TOP teams as well. It is a huge advantage that you get to rest while another team has a chance to get knocked out by iG, a team that went 13-1 in group stages including against na`vi. It's unbelievably better to play through the upper bracket all the way through and no one will ever throw. If you wanna whine, I can say that na`vi went 8-6 and overall they lost more than LGD. The advantages go in phases and this is certainly an advantage.


Once again, ask Navi if they want another match against iG, if they win they get two chances in the finals, if they lose they only get one. They would almost certainly choose to take an opportunity for more chances in the finals, which everyone else already go. These are progamers, they aren't running multiple marathons, these guys can crank out these many games in a day without too much difficulty. You can make all the arguments you want at this point but it's actually basic mathematics and logic and the reason why double elimination is double elimination.

Everyone gets 2 chances before being knocked out of the tournament. If everyone but one team gets two chances, that is unfair to that one team.


Oh come on, LGD had 14-0 in group stage they don't get any advantage from that either. In the finals both teams should be on even footing, that's a real final.


Then they shouldn't use double elimination. I agree that particularly for these teams and the dominance they showed in the group stages it doesn't really matter how it ends up the finals. But that's specific to those two teams and coincidental. In regards to the post-group stage, I think that if you're using double elimination, you should use the proper format.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
September 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#19168
It's really pointless talking about fairness. The round robin into double elim is already not the most fair tournament format.

There was a lot of luck involved in splitting the 16 teams into 2 groups. If you really want to argue about fairness, argue that the whole tournament should be league format. Maybe if Tongfu was in group A, they could have gone to Upper Bracket?



DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
September 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#19169
On September 03 2012 07:57 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:55 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:52 Manit0u wrote:
So, according to Bruno LGD is going to lose G1 (Morph pick).

btw. what's 'pipe' and 'drums'? Been out of DotA for quite some years.

Pipe = Khaldor's Pipe of Insight. Shield block damage.
Drums = Jjango. Upgrade from Bracer. Give speed boost vroom vroom


Barrier Idol and Energizer would be HoN equivalents more or less then? Can anyone confirm? Until then I'll consider them such.


Barrier Idol is the exact copy of Pipe.
Energizer is kind of similar yeah, but drums don't have the phase and have a constant 5% movement speed aura
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#19170
On September 03 2012 07:55 Salazarz wrote:
People just have to complain about everything. There's always hundreds of whine-posts in SC2 double-elim finals because one side having an advantage in grand finals before the actual grand finals even start is not very... grand. Now Valve does it this way and lo and behold, hundreds of whine posts again.

Personally, I like this way a lot more, especially if the grand finals are played on same day as other matches. There is absolutely no reason to think that coming from winner's bracket is NOT an advantage, so it's not like teams are going to throw games or whatever. You're going to be fresher, maybe have an extra special strat saved up, have an extra chance to observe your opponents' games... it is an advantage, however small you may want to claim it is - and the finals actually start off on even footing, which is nice.

Just have single elim instead, then.

Fairness is pretty important when a million dollars is on the line. Also those people who complain don't know the format. Don't give the team that wins all their sets a disadvantage in comparison to all the others. Does that make sense to you ?


And with all that rant out of the way IG-LGD is starting, let's see what'll happen.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
September 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#19171
On September 03 2012 07:45 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:42 Evermourn wrote:
I wonder what the effect of Na'Vi winning The International for a second time will be on the competitive scene. Somehow, I just feel it's just not interesting to have one team dominate the scene for so long.

Also interesting that Na'Vi probably practiced the least out of all the teams... Apparently, you need something else than practice to be good at Dota.


Yeah, the entire crowd riding your dick when you kill a creep, and they're not even from your continent.
More experience, being the previous champions, and what seems like a tighter knit group.
A mastermind like Puppey who's confident in his teammates abilities.
And Dendi, obviously.

That's the Na'Vi advantage.
lilledr
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden41 Posts
September 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#19172
On September 03 2012 07:57 Pr0wler wrote:
So LGD just finished their series in WB and immediately now they will play Bo3 in the LB... AAAAND if they win they will play Bo5 in the final. That is what ? 8-10 hours straight ?
Complete bullshit if you ask me. I will not be surprised if Na`Vi stomp them in the final, just because LGD are exhausted.


That's the advantage of winner bracket that many people are not counting in.
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
September 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#19173
Fuck I have Class tomorrow

Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
Xeteh
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States589 Posts
September 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#19174
On September 03 2012 07:57 Sphaero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:53 zul wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:51 Sphaero wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:45 cecek wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:42 Evermourn wrote:
I wonder what the effect of Na'Vi winning The International for a second time will be on the competitive scene. Somehow, I just feel it's just not interesting to have one team dominate the scene for so long.

Also interesting that Na'Vi probably practiced the least out of all the teams... Apparently, you need something else than practice to be good at Dota.


Aside of their obvious talent, they have something a lot of different teams (especially western) lack. A huge amount of experience together. They just know each other so damn well that they are able to fuse so good.

Oh and the team with the least practice is obviously Mouz, who didn´t even knew they would play until one day before the prems.

I heard mouz bootcamped with NaVi before the tournament


They planned to do it, but could not do it in the end, because some players had other responsibilities. CWM also did not get visa, which made the bootcamp moot. They did not expect to play anyway. Something like loosing a passport is not something you can predict in the end.


Yeah, apparently after plans with Na'Vi fell through they were supposed to bootcamp with coL but that didn't happen either.
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
September 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#19175
On September 03 2012 07:56 mutantmagnet wrote:
Last time Bruno said Darier always won with a blue hero, they ended up winning their subsequent match with Wisp and lost the following match without any blue hero.

Now he says everytime LGD faced IG they always split Morphling and Lone Druid between them and the team with Lone Druid always won.

I almost feel like I don't need to watch this first game now, LOL.

If Bruno gets this right he is upgraded to the Statgod. *shakes head*

Yeah, those Bruno stats are getting better and better despite how weird he sound lol.
Chicken gank op
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
September 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#19176
On September 03 2012 07:57 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:57 zul wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:55 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:52 Manit0u wrote:
So, according to Bruno LGD is going to lose G1 (Morph pick).

btw. what's 'pipe' and 'drums'? Been out of DotA for quite some years.

Pipe = Khaldor's Pipe of Insight. Shield block damage.
Drums = Jjango. Upgrade from Bracer. Give speed boost vroom vroom

haha nice typo "Khaldor"

Zzzz Need more sleep lol


I know how you feel -.-

If I want to see these games it's going to be a late one.
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Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
September 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#19177
If I didn't have a doctor's appointment in...6 hours of (hopefully) sleep I'd stay up.
I wish you the best of luck, LGD and NA'VI!
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Yergidy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2107 Posts
September 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#19178
On September 03 2012 07:57 d6Mesh wrote:
Really torn between staying up, attempting a nap, or just watching vods altogether.

No way dude. VODs cannot do this tourney justice.
One bright day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight; Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other.
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 22:59:51
September 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#19179
On September 03 2012 07:55 Shikyo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

I've followed them before DotA2 as well. In fact far before Dendi even was in Na'Vi.

He sure played consistently in all 3 of these games - I just said he was the best player in the series.

Yet for some reason many carry players still fail at it especially when their team is getting crushed - This was not the case with XBOCT. This actually was the case with LGD's carry who's regarded to be a far better player - Funny isn't it?

There probably were several situations where Dendi for instance fucked up as well, getting hit by that ravage comes to mind. Making mistakes isn't as bad if the rest of your play is so good.

Well I sure wish I had a player in my team who when nervous manage to carry his team with a 11-2 score 650+ gpm 400+ cs despite making mistakes. Oh man how dreadful. And don't forget that, again, he was #1 in farm in the game Na'Vi lost despite getting decimated earlygame and being against one of the best carries in the world. In that he was the only player who actually did anything.


You do not understand doto. Sorry!

LGD vs iG will be exciting as hell tho, it'd be interesting to see if either of the teams have the balls to copy the anti-Naga strats from NaVi.
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dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
September 02 2012 22:59 GMT
#19180
On September 03 2012 07:57 ShiaoPi wrote:
Who is still with me from asia? Started watching at 1 AM now it's 7 AM and I am soooo pumped for the rest of the matches!! :D


I'm still up, I've been staying up all night and sleeping during the day just for this ^^ Time for breakfast, and still not even halfway through the day's matches!
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