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Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 22:53:43
September 02 2012 22:53 GMT
#19121
Man, the last three teams are amazing. This is going to be SOOOO SICK!!!!
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zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
September 02 2012 22:53 GMT
#19122
On September 03 2012 07:51 Sphaero wrote:
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On September 03 2012 07:45 cecek wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:42 Evermourn wrote:
I wonder what the effect of Na'Vi winning The International for a second time will be on the competitive scene. Somehow, I just feel it's just not interesting to have one team dominate the scene for so long.

Also interesting that Na'Vi probably practiced the least out of all the teams... Apparently, you need something else than practice to be good at Dota.


Aside of their obvious talent, they have something a lot of different teams (especially western) lack. A huge amount of experience together. They just know each other so damn well that they are able to fuse so good.

Oh and the team with the least practice is obviously Mouz, who didn´t even knew they would play until one day before the prems.

I heard mouz bootcamped with NaVi before the tournament
keep it deep! @zulison
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
September 02 2012 22:53 GMT
#19123
The winner's bracket champ had to play less games, meaning less fatigued. That's advantage already.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
September 02 2012 22:53 GMT
#19124
On September 03 2012 07:52 TheTenthDoc wrote:
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On September 03 2012 07:51 JeeJee wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:48 HolydaKing wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:46 BlooDAnGeL wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:43 HolydaKing wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s

Obvious bias much?

No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not?

WTF? Nothing to do with extended series LOL. Winner bracket teams always have an advantage in the grand finals, be it needing to win just one bo3 or having another kind of advantage like a map lead... it's the advantage of NOT having lost any games.


Valve believes that having to play extra games, and in this case if LGD wins, it would be 3 games WB finals, 2-3 games LB finals, and then 3-5 Grand Finals, all without a break, while the winner of WB gets few hours off is more than enough advantage.

Yeah well, maybe. But i don't think those progamers will get exhausted by just playing some more games. Maybe they'll reveal some tactics or special stuff but i doubt that as well.


These are not just "some games". Context is so very important, if you think these games are the same as your local scrims or public matchmaking, you are mistaken.
The mental fatigue of playing three of the most demanding game series back-to-back with the biggest pressure you've ever felt, with a crowd that, let's be honest, doesn't like you... it's taxing to say the least.


At the same time, a team losing a double elimination tournament by losing one match seems tremendously stupid. But it's unavoidable due to the length of DotA 2 games, so they had to compromise somehow.


they should make it bo5 giving a 1 win advantage to the team from the winner bracket.
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Runatir
Profile Joined July 2012
Slovakia24 Posts
September 02 2012 22:53 GMT
#19125
500k viewers and that wasnt even a final ARE U KIDDING ME? just to let u know in china it is around 6am so expect even higher numbers for the final, oh and get shit on LoL

User was warned for this post
OrderlyChaos
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1115 Posts
September 02 2012 22:54 GMT
#19126
Let's stop arguing about the lack of advantage. This next series should be amazing!
se7en247
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States487 Posts
September 02 2012 22:54 GMT
#19127
On September 03 2012 07:53 SkelA wrote:
Man no 1-0 lead for winner bracket winner ? That is the only bad thing in this tournament ..


I'm happy about seeing a full bo5.
I didn't come to play..I came to win. Now lets play.
resoLVer1.0
Profile Joined October 2011
Russian Federation125 Posts
September 02 2012 22:54 GMT
#19128
On September 03 2012 07:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
LMAO

you mean going into a 50/50 chance to be eliminated isn't good? I don't think you understand how numbers work.

Why do you give a team which lost earlier a second chance, and not to the one from winners bracket? The most "fair" system here is two BO3 series - so the losers bracket winner knocks out the winners bracket team, and then they fight with no advantage on both sides. And it's even more of advantage for the winners bracket then starting with 1-0 in BO5.
Froob
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom342 Posts
September 02 2012 22:54 GMT
#19129
lgd must be tired

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ArmyOfPlatypi
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States188 Posts
September 02 2012 22:54 GMT
#19130
On September 03 2012 07:50 Shikyo wrote:
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On September 03 2012 07:49 Firebolt145 wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:46 Shikyo wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:44 dibbaN wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:42 Firebolt145 wrote:
IMO XBOCT certainly isn't the strongest on Na`Vi. He's definitely extremely good, but not quite legendary status of Dendi/Puppey/LoH. I would even place Ars-art above XBOCT if I had to simply based on his long gaming history.

Completely agree. In fact XBOCT made several mistakes during this series, that really shows how strong players the rest are to be able to counterweigh that!

Like? I'd again like to point at game 1 where despite an AWFUL start he managed to get numerous kills and became #1 in farm in the whole game, him completely carrying in game 2 and 3, amazing farm in game 3 on a freaking Faceless Void who's not even picked ever.

It's like people completely ignore carry players. Killing heroes = you're a god. However farming well should be automatic and when you do that it's no big deal and no-skill.

Once again, like I said, he's still an extremely good player. In a team of legendary players, being an extremely good player is still 'the weakest link'.

I'd like a weakest link who in the most pressured game in his life goes 11-2 with his team averaging below 1:1 kd over 8:1 cs to minute ratio on a hero who's never picked.


Is this a game in this thread? State a truly provocative point that is just asking to be responded to and spend the next hour defending it with the same two points?
"You have something in your teeth--" "You know what I have in my teeth? VENGEANCE!"
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13081 Posts
September 02 2012 22:54 GMT
#19131
How to beat a chinese team = ban morphling . LGD get Morphling and they are chinese = LGD wins !
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
September 02 2012 22:54 GMT
#19132
On September 03 2012 07:49 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:47 Mordiford wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:44 Jaksiel wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s

Obvious bias much?

No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not?


There's a difference between extended series and giving the winner's bracket an advantage, you know. If winner's bracket has no advantage, it sort of defeats the purpose of having a winner's bracket and loser's bracket.

There is an advantage. Ask LGD if they want to play against iG in the lower bracket and then na`vi again.


Ask Navi if they'd rather get two chances in the finals or one with no actual option. Navi already beat iG.

It's an undeniable disadvantage when one team has two losses and the other team only gets one before they're eliminated.

That's such stupid reasoning jesus christ. You have losses but you have MORE WINS against TOP teams as well. It is a huge advantage that you get to rest while another team has a chance to get knocked out by iG, a team that went 13-1 in group stages including against na`vi. It's unbelievably better to play through the upper bracket all the way through and no one will ever throw. If you wanna whine, I can say that na`vi went 8-6 and overall they lost more than LGD. The advantages go in phases and this is certainly an advantage.

Then they shouldn't use double elimination.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
September 02 2012 22:54 GMT
#19133
On September 03 2012 07:48 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:46 BlooDAnGeL wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:43 HolydaKing wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s

Obvious bias much?

No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not?

WTF? Nothing to do with extended series LOL. Winner bracket teams always have an advantage in the grand finals, be it needing to win just one bo3 or having another kind of advantage like a map lead... it's the advantage of NOT having lost any games.


Valve believes that having to play extra games, and in this case if LGD wins, it would be 3 games WB finals, 2-3 games LB finals, and then 3-5 Grand Finals, all without a break, while the winner of WB gets few hours off is more than enough advantage.

Yeah well, maybe. But i don't think those progamers will get exhausted by just playing some more games. Maybe they'll reveal some tactics or special stuff but i doubt that as well.

And they do have decent breaks. Maybe not long breaks and maybe they're still in the spotlight but it's not like physically exhausting. More mentally, and yeah i'll give you that they do have mental advantage (Na'vi) now.


I, for one, am exhausted just from watching those games xD. Was like nothing I've seen before in eSports.
Resent
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia938 Posts
September 02 2012 22:54 GMT
#19134
No point discussing the whole 1:0 lead thing really. It's completely subjective as to whether you think they deserve the extra advantage.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 22:55:10
September 02 2012 22:54 GMT
#19135
On September 03 2012 07:52 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:49 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:47 Mordiford wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:44 Jaksiel wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s

Obvious bias much?

No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not?


There's a difference between extended series and giving the winner's bracket an advantage, you know. If winner's bracket has no advantage, it sort of defeats the purpose of having a winner's bracket and loser's bracket.

There is an advantage. Ask LGD if they want to play against iG in the lower bracket and then na`vi again.


Ask Navi if they'd rather get two chances in the finals or one with no actual option. Navi already beat iG.

It's an undeniable disadvantage when one team has two losses and the other team only gets one before they're eliminated.

That's such stupid reasoning jesus christ. You have losses but you have MORE WINS against TOP teams as well. It is a huge advantage that you get to rest while another team has a chance to get knocked out by iG, a team that went 13-1 in group stages including against na`vi. It's unbelievably better to play through the upper bracket all the way through and no one will ever throw. If you wanna whine, I can say that na`vi went 8-6 and overall they lost more than LGD. The advantages go in phases and this is certainly an advantage.


Once again, ask Navi if they want another match against iG, if they win they get two chances in the finals, if they lose they only get one. They would almost certainly choose to take an opportunity for more chances in the finals, which everyone else already go. These are progamers, they aren't running multiple marathons, these guys can crank out these many games in a day without too much difficulty. You can make all the arguments you want at this point but it's actually basic mathematics and logic and the reason why double elimination is double elimination.

Everyone gets 2 chances before being knocked out of the tournament. If everyone but one team gets two chances, that is unfair to that one team.

I'm only gonna say this once because this is getting stupid.

You're only arguing which advantage is better. NO SHIT HAVING 1-0 lead is better ON TOP of not having to play iG. But to say that winning over LGD now in the upper bracket is not an advantage is STUPID.

If na`vi got a 1-0 lead THEN IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR. You don't understand that they would also have played less opponents than LGD who also would only have one loss if they ended up winning the whole thing.
zoe`
Profile Joined August 2012
116 Posts
September 02 2012 22:54 GMT
#19136
Some league must pick Dota 2!! come on!! more Dota 2 Tournaments!!
"If your enemy is equal, prepare for him. If greater, elude him. If weaker, crush him" Dark Seer.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
September 02 2012 22:54 GMT
#19137
On September 03 2012 07:53 Runatir wrote:
500k viewers and that wasnt even a final ARE U KIDDING ME? just to let u know in china it is around 6am so expect even higher numbers for the final, oh and get shit on LoL


where are u seeing this numbers? I can only see 80k from the streams here.
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
September 02 2012 22:54 GMT
#19138
Rod Breslau ‏@Slasher

That's $250,000 per player, not counting other events. Only MVP in 2011 had more, barely, with $253,000. Next one down is MC with $139,000.


I like his attempt at math :D
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
September 02 2012 22:54 GMT
#19139
On September 03 2012 07:46 CountChocula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:43 maDDiC wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:42 Evermourn wrote:
I wonder what the effect of Na'Vi winning The International for a second time will be on the competitive scene. Somehow, I just feel it's just not interesting to have one team dominate the scene for so long.


what?
no

Ti2 came dangerously close to a boring all-chinese farmfest affair.

if anything , Navi saved Ti2


Ironically Na`Vi picks the harder carry in Games 1 and 3, farms harder on Void while Naga tries to push with the team for most of the game. Bias much?


Original statement: it's boring if Na'Vi wins twice
Rebuttal: it would be more boring without Na'Vi, because then there'd only be Chinese teams (which can turn in to hour+ passive games, though not always)
Your statement: Na'Vi farms too

While true, your statement isn't really relevant. The point is that Na'Vi is the only non-Chinese team doing well and the games have been exciting, which makes up for the "dullness" of possibly having a repeat champion.
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
September 02 2012 22:55 GMT
#19140
On September 03 2012 07:52 Manit0u wrote:
So, according to Bruno LGD is going to lose G1 (Morph pick).

btw. what's 'pipe' and 'drums'? Been out of DotA for quite some years.

Pipe = Khaldor's Pipe of Insight. Shield block damage.
Drums = Jjango. Upgrade from Bracer. Give speed boost vroom vroom
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
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