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[LR] The International II - 2012 - Page 955

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pilsken
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany441 Posts
September 02 2012 22:49 GMT
#19081
I really like Nebu1a and Godz. They provide an excellent in-between-match analysis. And both are actually very well spoken and have a good voice. Really nice choice.
Bruky
Profile Joined January 2011
Czech Republic161 Posts
September 02 2012 22:49 GMT
#19082
Navi goes to bo5 with 1-0 lead?
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17644 Posts
September 02 2012 22:49 GMT
#19083
On September 03 2012 07:44 Implenia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:42 Evermourn wrote:
I wonder what the effect of Na'Vi winning The International for a second time will be on the competitive scene. Somehow, I just feel it's just not interesting to have one team dominate the scene for so long.

You forget that all the games were incredibly close and the chinese teams have really arrived in dota 2 taking 7 out of the top 8 spots. Also it showcased the capabilities of EG, coL showing that they are more than capable of taking games of top chinese teams.


Personally, I see nothing wrong with one team staying on top constantly. It just means that the players in it are great and they can keep up with metagame changes and what not. And it's also a great boost for all the lower teams, which see that standard stuff doesn't work against this team any more and they invent something new and so on and on.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
September 02 2012 22:50 GMT
#19084
On September 03 2012 07:48 Mordiford wrote:
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On September 03 2012 07:46 casualman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:45 Darpa wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s

Obvious bias much?

No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not?


Its not really about extended series. Its about the fact that the entire tournament is double elimination and the only one who doesnt get double elimination is the winners bracket champion. Its kind of a bizarre way to do it, win all your games and get the least advantage. I would prefer if they did it like SC2 where you have 2 best of 3's if you lose the first one the series resets.

I think the problem is there is no advantage to being the winners bracket champ aside from having to play less games.

It's the best way to do it.

Winning off an one game advantage built into the system makes for very un-hype finals.


Then don't fuckin use double elimination. I love this tournament, I really wouldn't care who won at this point because we've seen such great games but the format present is actually unfair, you can blatantly see where and why it's unfair. One team get's penalized for winning, losing their second life, that's markedly unfair.

IMO the extra games and pressure the other team has to endure plus the rest Na'Vi is getting is more than enough advantage, a 1 game advantage is huge and detracts from the GF experience

Valve knows their shit
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 02 2012 22:50 GMT
#19085
On September 03 2012 07:49 Firebolt145 wrote:
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On September 03 2012 07:46 Shikyo wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:44 dibbaN wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:42 Firebolt145 wrote:
IMO XBOCT certainly isn't the strongest on Na`Vi. He's definitely extremely good, but not quite legendary status of Dendi/Puppey/LoH. I would even place Ars-art above XBOCT if I had to simply based on his long gaming history.

Completely agree. In fact XBOCT made several mistakes during this series, that really shows how strong players the rest are to be able to counterweigh that!

Like? I'd again like to point at game 1 where despite an AWFUL start he managed to get numerous kills and became #1 in farm in the whole game, him completely carrying in game 2 and 3, amazing farm in game 3 on a freaking Faceless Void who's not even picked ever.

It's like people completely ignore carry players. Killing heroes = you're a god. However farming well should be automatic and when you do that it's no big deal and no-skill.

Once again, like I said, he's still an extremely good player. In a team of legendary players, being an extremely good player is still 'the weakest link'.

I'd like a weakest link who in the most pressured game in his life goes 11-2 with his team averaging below 1:1 kd over 8:1 cs to minute ratio on a hero who's never picked.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
September 02 2012 22:50 GMT
#19086
How Long till Grand FInals?
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
hyptonic
Profile Joined June 2011
2155 Posts
September 02 2012 22:50 GMT
#19087
how much salary do you think the guys on lgd and ig make?
Acertos
Profile Joined February 2012
France852 Posts
September 02 2012 22:50 GMT
#19088
Someone has the link to the chinese streams? i cant find them? blows my mind that it goes over 500k views !
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
September 02 2012 22:50 GMT
#19089
This is the dota version of 5 BW legends vs the best of the new breed in SC2
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
PaisY
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany32 Posts
September 02 2012 22:51 GMT
#19090
I made another video of the impressions at the end of the third game. This crowd is just amazing..


Cheers
mousesports SC2 & Dota2 Team Manager - www.mousesports.com - www.twitter.com/mouzPaisY
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
September 02 2012 22:51 GMT
#19091
Great at in 5 hours i need to get up and i am away till friday
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
September 02 2012 22:51 GMT
#19092
I want iG to win solely because I like Ferrari more than Sylar

I just want to see a Ferrarinvoker =\
IPT.PromilKid: I'm only good at Marvel
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
September 02 2012 22:51 GMT
#19093
On September 03 2012 07:48 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:46 BlooDAnGeL wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:43 HolydaKing wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s

Obvious bias much?

No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not?

WTF? Nothing to do with extended series LOL. Winner bracket teams always have an advantage in the grand finals, be it needing to win just one bo3 or having another kind of advantage like a map lead... it's the advantage of NOT having lost any games.


Valve believes that having to play extra games, and in this case if LGD wins, it would be 3 games WB finals, 2-3 games LB finals, and then 3-5 Grand Finals, all without a break, while the winner of WB gets few hours off is more than enough advantage.

Yeah well, maybe. But i don't think those progamers will get exhausted by just playing some more games. Maybe they'll reveal some tactics or special stuff but i doubt that as well.


These are not just "some games". Context is so very important, if you think these games are the same as your local scrims or public matchmaking, you are mistaken.
The mental fatigue of playing three of the most demanding game series back-to-back with the biggest pressure you've ever felt, with a crowd that, let's be honest, doesn't like you... it's taxing to say the least.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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hiyo_bye
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States737 Posts
September 02 2012 22:51 GMT
#19094
I think probably Bruce Lee
Random
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 22:55:41
September 02 2012 22:51 GMT
#19095
On September 03 2012 07:46 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:44 dibbaN wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:42 Firebolt145 wrote:
IMO XBOCT certainly isn't the strongest on Na`Vi. He's definitely extremely good, but not quite legendary status of Dendi/Puppey/LoH. I would even place Ars-art above XBOCT if I had to simply based on his long gaming history.

Completely agree. In fact XBOCT made several mistakes during this series, that really shows how strong players the rest are to be able to counterweigh that!

Like? I'd again like to point at game 1 where despite an AWFUL start he managed to get numerous kills and became #1 in farm in the whole game, him completely carrying in game 2 and 3, amazing farm in game 3 on a freaking Faceless Void who's not even picked ever.

It's like people completely ignore carry players. Killing heroes = you're a god. However farming well should be automatic and when you do that it's no big deal and no-skill.

Stop talking. I know NaVi, I've followed them since before DotA2. XBOCT is a great player, but is the most inconsistent of their players recently. Farming is not hard for any good carry player, it's all about the team working around you, allowing you to farm.

There were several situations when he was waiting too long with the chrono. But if you want something concrete - focusing a Tide who has popped his ulti. Not killing a hero who was stuck in chrono with 20% and instead hitting DS ending up getting noone. Notice how he got hexed during the gap between his chronosphere and bkb? That's a mistake. Happened several times. But what sticks out most is that he's been doing some not-so-great AM ulties throughout this tournament. Don't get me wrong, I love NaVi and they are ALL great players. But you have to be able to be objective too. It's just that XBOCT isn't up to his usual standard, maybe its nerves?
이제동 - 이영호 since '07.
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
September 02 2012 22:51 GMT
#19096
Chuck Norris or Bruce Lee

That's Einstein for you
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
Burns
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2300 Posts
September 02 2012 22:51 GMT
#19097
IG vs LGD wow
What do you mean you heard me during the night, these are quiet pants!
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
September 02 2012 22:51 GMT
#19098
On September 03 2012 07:49 Bruky wrote:
Navi goes to bo5 with 1-0 lead?

They go into bo5 but with no lead.
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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
September 02 2012 22:51 GMT
#19099
On September 03 2012 07:51 myrmidon2537 wrote:
I want iG to win solely because I like Ferrari more than Sylar

I just want to see a Ferrarinvoker =\


I'm with you! Ferrari Lanaya is amazing
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Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
September 02 2012 22:51 GMT
#19100
On September 03 2012 07:50 hyptonic wrote:
how much salary do you think the guys on lgd and ig make?


Well iG was bought for 6 million USD last year, so they make a decent bit.
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