EPTOn September 03 2012 07:47 Yoshi- wrote:
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Windwaker
Germany1597 Posts
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On September 03 2012 07:44 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: So what's TL's thoughts on iG v LGD? Who has the edge here? LGD for sure, in iG's opinion too. However they are the best two Chinese teams, there can't be much in it, and LGD are going to be tired. As for people talking about the extended series stuff, this has already been discussed. The idea is that dropping down to the losers bracket means playing more games, playing with that risk of instant knockout, etc. They didn't want the grand finals to end in two games, and I'm with them on that 100%. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On September 03 2012 07:40 zul wrote: no, you`re wrong. besides that, who cares. The team loses or wins ToGETHER. Nope, I'm not, nobody believed in xboct doing well playing for na'vi when he first got in, he was nothing more than an average guy doing decently in inhouses and playing for tier 3 teams, ars art was also a questionable pick because he had gone away from the pro scene for such a long time and was looking mediocre at best, xboct improved a lot since then, but he is still no LoH, no Dendi, no Puppey, and no now on form AA, he didn't have a place in the best team in the world during TI1, in fact he barely did anything there to win, now he has earned it. | ||
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qyk05328
Germany635 Posts
On September 03 2012 07:44 Itsmedudeman wrote: There is an advantage. Ask LGD if they want to play against iG in the lower bracket and then na`vi again. In a best of five, even. At this point I wonder if would be smart tactics from Na`Vi to try and prolong the first game as much as possible just to wear the other team down (esp. if it's iG) and then finish them in the next games when they are finally completely exhausted from playing for so many hours. | ||
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Mordiford
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On September 03 2012 07:46 casualman wrote: It's the best way to do it. Winning off an one game advantage built into the system makes for very un-hype finals. Then don't fuckin use double elimination. I love this tournament, I really wouldn't care who won at this point because we've seen such great games but the format present is actually unfair, you can blatantly see where and why it's unfair. One team get's penalized for winning, losing their second life, that's markedly unfair. | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote: Obvious bias much? No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not? There's a _huge_ difference between extended series and winner bracket winners having an advantage for the grand finals though. | ||
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befek
Poland413 Posts
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HolydaKing
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On September 03 2012 07:46 BlooDAnGeL wrote: Valve believes that having to play extra games, and in this case if LGD wins, it would be 3 games WB finals, 2-3 games LB finals, and then 3-5 Grand Finals, all without a break, while the winner of WB gets few hours off is more than enough advantage. Yeah well, maybe. But i don't think those progamers will get exhausted by just playing some more games. Maybe they'll reveal some tactics or special stuff but i doubt that as well. And they do have decent breaks. Maybe not long breaks and maybe they're still in the spotlight but it's not like physically exhausting. More mentally, and yeah i'll give you that they do have mental advantage (Na'vi) now. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34501 Posts
On September 03 2012 07:46 Shikyo wrote: Like? I'd again like to point at game 1 where despite an AWFUL start he managed to get numerous kills and became #1 in farm in the whole game, him completely carrying in game 2 and 3, amazing farm in game 3 on a freaking Faceless Void who's not even picked ever. It's like people completely ignore carry players. Killing heroes = you're a god. However farming well should be automatic and when you do that it's no big deal and no-skill. Once again, like I said, he's still an extremely good player. In a team of legendary players, being an extremely good player is still 'the weakest link'. | ||
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dtz
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If they want to really get the best team, they should have done full league format between all 16 teams. This double elimination was tweaked to add entertainment value. There is still an advantage for WB winner although much less than usual double elim. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On September 03 2012 07:48 befek wrote: So finals will begin around 4 am here in Europe and this is going to be bo5 FUCK ME lol that sucks man | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 03 2012 07:47 IshinShishi wrote: Nope, I'm not, nobody believed in xboct doing well playing for na'vi when he first got in, he was nothing more than an average guy doing decently in inhouses and playing for tier 3 teams, ars art was also a questionable pick because he had gone away from the pro scene for such a long time and was looking mediocre at best, xboct improved a lot since then, but he is still no LoH, no Dendi, no Puppey, and no now on form AA, he didn't have a place in the best team in the world during TI1, in fact he barely did anything there to win, now he has earned it. Again, watch the games for a second time. That's just completely ridiculous. Also you forgot XBOCT carrying the shit out of Na'Vi in the final stages with Spectre in TI1. | ||
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Gallimatias
France95 Posts
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hootsushi
Germany3468 Posts
On September 03 2012 07:47 Mordiford wrote: Ask Navi if they'd rather get two chances in the finals or one with no actual option. Navi already beat iG. It's an undeniable disadvantage when one team has two losses and the other team only gets one before they're eliminated. This. And only this. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34501 Posts
Think I saw 82k at one point. | ||
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maDDiC
Singapore24 Posts
On September 03 2012 07:46 CountChocula wrote: Ironically Na`Vi picks the harder carry in Games 1 and 3, farms harder on Void while Naga tries to push with the team for most of the game. Bias much? Biased ? yes of course iam biased. and Void was part of a counter to Naga , not just as his position as a hard carry. you prefer watching morphing/lone druid farmfest on 2 chinese teams? not me. | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
On September 03 2012 07:48 befek wrote: So finals will begin around 4 am here in Europe and this is going to be bo5 FUCK ME Yeah I will try to catch them when I wake up, hoping for Ig vs LGD to be very long and very epic | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 03 2012 07:47 Mordiford wrote: Ask Navi if they'd rather get two chances in the finals or one with no actual option. Navi already beat iG. It's an undeniable disadvantage when one team has two losses and the other team only gets one before they're eliminated. That's such stupid reasoning jesus christ. You have losses but you have MORE WINS against TOP teams as well. It is a huge advantage that you get to rest while another team has a chance to get knocked out by iG, a team that went 13-1 in group stages including against na`vi. It's unbelievably better to play through the upper bracket all the way through and no one will ever throw. If you wanna whine, I can say that na`vi went 8-6 and overall they lost more than LGD. The advantages go in phases and this is certainly an advantage. | ||
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