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Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
September 02 2012 22:44 GMT
#19021
"Every move we made, we heard cheers"

I don't know about you guys, but if I did half of what LGD pulled out in that series, and hear a whole crowd boo my success, that'd tilt me. Not that I've ever been in that position, but it definitely has a huge effect.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 22:44:57
September 02 2012 22:44 GMT
#19022
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s

Obvious bias much?

No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not?

That's not extended series, that's double elimination. It's a completely different thing.

Did you know that MLG Extended series finals actually have TOO LITTLE advantage for the format?

It's not obvious bias at least by me, I've been calling this format awful ever since I learned of it.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 22:46:20
September 02 2012 22:44 GMT
#19023
On September 03 2012 07:42 Firebolt145 wrote:
IMO XBOCT certainly isn't the strongest on Na`Vi. He's definitely extremely good, but not quite legendary status of Dendi/Puppey/LoH. I would even place Ars-art above XBOCT if I had to simply based on his long gaming history.

Completely agree. In fact XBOCT made several mistakes during the last game (coupled with a few big plays). But it really shows how strong players the rest are to be able to counterweigh that!
이제동 - 이영호 since '07.
lilledr
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden41 Posts
September 02 2012 22:44 GMT
#19024
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s


Remember if LDG wins this 2-1 they will have played a Bo3 vs Na'vi and a Bo3 vs iG. And then after they will have to go up vs Na'vi in a Bo5. Do you know how exhausting that is, while navi have time to study / rest during this Bo3. That is advantage enough imo, without giving away free wins.
pellejohnson
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1931 Posts
September 02 2012 22:44 GMT
#19025
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s

Obvious bias much?

No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not?


This is completely different than extended series. Not having an advantage coming from winners bracket makes no sense at all, look at any other tournament in any other game and you would see that the team from winner bracket would only have to win 1 match/ BoX

Nothing about bias just common sense
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
September 02 2012 22:44 GMT
#19026
complementing Lesh with Void is fucking brilliant, Lesh wouldn't even care about being stuck in Chrono. add into that the range of engagement of ench, rubick and bm

puppey is a genius
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 02 2012 22:44 GMT
#19027
On September 03 2012 07:44 Jaksiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s

Obvious bias much?

No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not?


There's a difference between extended series and giving the winner's bracket an advantage, you know. If winner's bracket has no advantage, it sort of defeats the purpose of having a winner's bracket and loser's bracket.

There is an advantage. Ask LGD if they want to play against iG in the lower bracket and then na`vi again.
borny
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China481 Posts
September 02 2012 22:44 GMT
#19028
Don't bring the cancerous SCII meme of "USA USA USA" into Dota2 please.
Naniwa . July . Morrow . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Go STARTALE!
qyk05328
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany635 Posts
September 02 2012 22:45 GMT
#19029
It's great that Valve get such stellar games for the huge amount of resources they invested in this tournament. It wasn't guaranteed that things would turn out this way -- it could have been some ricing snooze-fest all the way to the finals and it wouldn't have generated nearly the amount of excitement for the game that they'll receive now.

Well deserved for putting so much trust in the game.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
September 02 2012 22:45 GMT
#19030
been watching dota for a grand total of 25 seconds, have no idea whats going on but the whole presentation and all that seems great :D
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
September 02 2012 22:45 GMT
#19031
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s

Obvious bias much?

No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not?


Its not really about extended series. Its about the fact that the entire tournament is double elimination and the only one who doesnt get double elimination is the winners bracket champion. Its kind of a bizarre way to do it, win all your games and get the least advantage. I would prefer if they did it like SC2 where you have 2 best of 3's if you lose the first one the series resets.

I think the problem is there is no advantage to being the winners bracket champ aside from having to play less games.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
hootsushi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany3468 Posts
September 02 2012 22:45 GMT
#19032
On September 03 2012 07:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:43 NGrNecris wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s

Obvious bias much?

No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not?

obvious bias? a 1-0 start is normal in a double elim tournament.

Being 1 up is stupid. Having to play those extra rounds against a team like iG is PLENTY of an advantage. Being 1 up takes too much out of the series.


Are you serious? Playing one more bo3 just to get a second life. That's like the most unfair advantage I have ever seen.
OceanLab
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France505 Posts
September 02 2012 22:45 GMT
#19033
On September 03 2012 07:43 myrmidon2537 wrote:
I've been up since 1 am (currently a little before 7am now here), My body is so ready for this.

LETS GO!

Same here! The shop downstairs just opened, time to grab the red bulls, get myself some more pizzas and sing some more Oppan Dendi style!
Liquid through and through
bOneSeven
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Romania685 Posts
September 02 2012 22:45 GMT
#19034
USA USA USA
Planet earth is blue and there's nothing I can do
NGrNecris
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand855 Posts
September 02 2012 22:45 GMT
#19035
On September 03 2012 07:44 casualman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:43 HolydaKing wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s

Obvious bias much?

No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not?

WTF? Nothing to do with extended series LOL. Winner bracket teams always have an advantage in the grand finals, be it needing to win just one bo3 or having another kind of advantage like a map lead... it's the advantage of NOT having lost any games.

This is exactly what extended series is, and why MLG revamped their format so the grand finals are just a BO7.

Don't talk when you don't know anything.

oh the irony
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 22:46:15
September 02 2012 22:45 GMT
#19036
On September 03 2012 07:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:44 Jaksiel wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s

Obvious bias much?

No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not?


There's a difference between extended series and giving the winner's bracket an advantage, you know. If winner's bracket has no advantage, it sort of defeats the purpose of having a winner's bracket and loser's bracket.

There is an advantage. Ask LGD if they want to play against iG in the lower bracket and then na`vi again.


Not really.
Play your best
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
September 02 2012 22:45 GMT
#19037
On September 03 2012 07:42 Evermourn wrote:
I wonder what the effect of Na'Vi winning The International for a second time will be on the competitive scene. Somehow, I just feel it's just not interesting to have one team dominate the scene for so long.

Also interesting that Na'Vi probably practiced the least out of all the teams... Apparently, you need something else than practice to be good at Dota.
super gg
Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
September 02 2012 22:45 GMT
#19038
On September 03 2012 07:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:43 NGrNecris wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage?

No. Just a regular Bo5.

Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm.

Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s

Obvious bias much?

No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not?

obvious bias? a 1-0 start is normal in a double elim tournament.

Being 1 up is stupid. Having to play those extra rounds against a team like iG is PLENTY of an advantage. Being 1 up takes too much out of the series.

This. 1-0 advantage works in sc2 but in dota it is just way too much.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
September 02 2012 22:45 GMT
#19039
The thing though is that we can't talk about weaknesses around Na;vi because they're strengths are so reliant on each other. Dendi and Xboct's crazy antics would be totally screwed without Puppey and AA's calm backup, and LoH needs a team that scares the shit out of opponents for him to play his best as well, and Na'vi provide that in spades
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 02 2012 22:45 GMT
#19040
On September 03 2012 07:41 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:39 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:38 Shikyo wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:36 Fatalize wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:34 Shikyo wrote:
Makes you wonder why Void is never picked doesn't it?

XBOCT clearly the best player on Na'Vi in all 3 games



Lol no, he definately played well this game but the first two games were not spectacular, especially the first one where he played really badly. Pretty much the same thing for Dendi, good the last 2 games but pretty bad the first one. LoH played well the second game and okayish the first and third. AA played spot on every 3 games, so did puppey

Really? XBOCT got shut down really hard in the early game but still was #1 in gold and made some really good plays later on as well. XBOCT in fact was the only player who played decently in game 1.


Ars-Art has been playing amazing this series. His rhasta in the 2nd match was insane, he wardtrapped every freaking time. AA is really the unsung hero of Na'vi. So many big names on the team but he's so solid.

He definitely played well as well, and might very well have played the best.

I'm really pissed off though for people calling XBOCT the worst player on Na'Vi, completely ignoring the good plays he continuously makes, the constant #1 in farm even in the game where Na'Vi got completely destroyed, him making Void work, and so on. And then everyone wets themselves when Dendi presses R and clicks a tide when he's watching for the Ravage for the whole time.


it's impressive when dendi steals ravage because if he gets hit by ravage he can't steal it.

So it means his positioning in the fights is perfect, because tide is most likely trying to hit dendi + xboct with the ravage. If he hits anyone else it's great but if he hits dendi + xboct he's done his job.

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