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On September 03 2012 07:43 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage? No. Just a regular Bo5. Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm. Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s Obvious bias much? No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not? WTF? Nothing to do with extended series LOL. Winner bracket teams always have an advantage in the grand finals, be it needing to win just one bo3 or having another kind of advantage like a map lead... it's the advantage of NOT having lost any games.
If you make the lower bracket finals a Bo11, would that give enough of an advantage to the upper bracket winner in the grand finals, without screwing up the grand finals themselves?
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On September 03 2012 07:45 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage? No. Just a regular Bo5. Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm. Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s Obvious bias much? No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not? Its not really about extended series. Its about the fact that the entire tournament is double elimination and the only one who doesnt get double elimination is the winners bracket champion. Its kind of a bizarre way to do it, win all your games and get the least advantage. I would prefer if they did it like SC2 where you have 2 best of 3's if you lose the first one the series resets. I think the problem is there is no advantage to being the winners bracket champ aside from having to play less games.
It's the best way to do it.
Winning off an one game advantage built into the system makes for very un-hype finals.
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On September 03 2012 07:45 turdburgler wrote:
been watching dota for a grand total of 25 seconds, have no idea whats going on but the whole presentation and all that seems great :D
Nooo, you just missed an epic bo3. 
But there is more to come if you are awake! 
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On September 03 2012 07:44 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
So what's TL's thoughts on iG v LGD? Who has the edge here?
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT PENNANT TO USE.
TL HELP
Poll: WHICH CHINESE TEAMS WILL GO TO THE GRAND FINAL?LDG (25) 61% iG (16) 39% 41 total votes Your vote: WHICH CHINESE TEAMS WILL GO TO THE GRAND FINAL? (Vote): iG
(Vote): LDG
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iam wondering if DC will get either iG or LGD to throw their matches.
playing a Bo3 and then a Bo5 against top teams is just too physically/mentally taxing.
NaVi has a HUGGEEE advantage if iG and LGD really goes hard against each other.
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Canada2068 Posts
On September 03 2012 07:43 maDDiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:42 Evermourn wrote:
I wonder what the effect of Na'Vi winning The International for a second time will be on the competitive scene. Somehow, I just feel it's just not interesting to have one team dominate the scene for so long. what? no Ti2 came dangerously close to a boring all-chinese farmfest affair. if anything , Navi saved Ti2
Ironically Na`Vi picks the harder carry in Games 1 and 3, farms harder on Void while Naga tries to push with the team for most of the game. Bias much?
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On September 03 2012 07:45 hootsushi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 03 2012 07:43 NGrNecris wrote:On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage? No. Just a regular Bo5. Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm. Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s Obvious bias much? No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not? obvious bias? a 1-0 start is normal in a double elim tournament. Being 1 up is stupid. Having to play those extra rounds against a team like iG is PLENTY of an advantage. Being 1 up takes too much out of the series. Are you serious? Playing one more bo3 just to get a second life. That's like the most unfair advantage I have ever seen.
LMAO
you mean going into a 50/50 chance to be eliminated isn't good? I don't think you understand how numbers work.
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On September 03 2012 07:44 Xpace wrote:
"Every move we made, we heard cheers"
I don't know about you guys, but if I did half of what LGD pulled out in that series, and hear a whole crowd boo my success, that'd tilt me. Not that I've ever been in that position, but it definitely has a huge effect.
They only bood' when naga did an ulti escape. LGD had crowd clapping and cheering from their big plays but it was very weak compared to Na'Vi.
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these games, this crowd, that viewercount....this tournament....this esports.....my brain is about to explode....starcraft who? löeague of who??
HOLY SHIT THIS IS THE MOST EPIC SHIT EVER
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On September 03 2012 07:44 dibbaN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:42 Firebolt145 wrote:
IMO XBOCT certainly isn't the strongest on Na`Vi. He's definitely extremely good, but not quite legendary status of Dendi/Puppey/LoH. I would even place Ars-art above XBOCT if I had to simply based on his long gaming history. Completely agree. In fact XBOCT made several mistakes during this series, that really shows how strong players the rest are to be able to counterweigh that!
Like? I'd again like to point at game 1 where despite an AWFUL start he managed to get numerous kills and became #1 in farm in the whole game, him completely carrying in game 2 and 3, amazing farm in game 3 on a freaking Faceless Void who's not even picked ever.
It's like people completely ignore carry players. Killing heroes = you're a god. However farming well should be automatic and when you do that it's no big deal and no-skill.
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On September 03 2012 07:43 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage? No. Just a regular Bo5. Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm. Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s Obvious bias much? No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not? WTF? Nothing to do with extended series LOL. Winner bracket teams always have an advantage in the grand finals, be it needing to win just one bo3 or having another kind of advantage like a map lead... it's the advantage of NOT having lost any games.
Valve believes that having to play extra games, and in this case if LGD wins, it would be 3 games WB finals, 2-3 games LB finals, and then 3-5 Grand Finals, all without a break, while the winner of WB gets few hours off is more than enough advantage.
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On September 03 2012 07:45 Implenia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 03 2012 07:43 NGrNecris wrote:On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage? No. Just a regular Bo5. Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm. Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s Obvious bias much? No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not? obvious bias? a 1-0 start is normal in a double elim tournament. Being 1 up is stupid. Having to play those extra rounds against a team like iG is PLENTY of an advantage. Being 1 up takes too much out of the series. This. 1-0 advantage works in sc2 but in dota it is just way too much.
The ideal (in my opinion) would be up one game in a 7 game series, but that's just impractical for the players.
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NaVi should have 1-0 advantage, or play 2 Bo3s if they lose the first one. There is really nothing else to be said; the whole "they dont have to reveal their super secret strat" argument is pathetic.
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TI2 has beaten anything I've watched of SC2....The tension and excitement was just amazing, this is a really wonderful tournament and we're seeing wonderful matches. And it isn't even the finals yet.. Just WOW.
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On September 03 2012 07:44 borny wrote:
Don't bring the cancerous SCII meme of "USA USA USA" into Dota2 please.
lol cancerous? SC 2 meme? The USA chant jokes have been around for a while. Don't be so sensitive about it.
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On September 03 2012 07:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:44 Jaksiel wrote:On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage? No. Just a regular Bo5. Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm. Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s Obvious bias much? No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not? There's a difference between extended series and giving the winner's bracket an advantage, you know. If winner's bracket has no advantage, it sort of defeats the purpose of having a winner's bracket and loser's bracket. There is an advantage. Ask LGD if they want to play against iG in the lower bracket and then na`vi again.
Ask Navi if they'd rather get two chances in the finals or one with no actual option. Navi already beat iG.
It's an undeniable disadvantage when one team has two losses and the other team only gets one before they're eliminated.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
On September 03 2012 07:45 qyk05328 wrote:
It's great that Valve get such stellar games for the huge amount of resources they invested in this tournament. It wasn't guaranteed that things would turn out this way -- it could have been some ricing snooze-fest all the way to the finals and it wouldn't have generated nearly the amount of excitement for the game that they'll receive now.
Well deserved for putting so much trust in the game.
Just imagine if there was no Na'Vi and it was 5 Chinese teams in the end... How much less exciting would it be?
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how many where watching ingame
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On September 03 2012 07:44 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
So what's TL's thoughts on iG v LGD? Who has the edge here?
iG won in the BTS summer tour finals a few weeks ago 2-1, though LGD won the 70+ minute game while iG won 2 relatively short games. Will be very even I think and it's going to be a 2-1 series either way.
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IMO Dendi played well but less than dendi like (Before game 3. He was kinda back to normal in game 3) XBOCT played better than he usually does.
Of course, PPY, AA and LoH consistent as always 
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