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On September 03 2012 07:45 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:42 Evermourn wrote:
I wonder what the effect of Na'Vi winning The International for a second time will be on the competitive scene. Somehow, I just feel it's just not interesting to have one team dominate the scene for so long. Also interesting that Na'Vi probably practiced the least out of all the teams... Apparently, you need something else than practice to be good at Dota.
Aside of their obvious talent, they have something a lot of different teams (especially western) lack. A huge amount of experience together. They just know each other so damn well that they are able to fuse so good.
Oh and the team with the least practice is obviously Mouz, who didn´t even knew they would play until one day before the prems.
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Nice, it seems like it will be LD and Lumi in the grand final since tobi and synd are doing the LB final.
/crosses fingers.
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I feel exhausted after those last three matches,... just from watching. LGD having to play even more games, sort of daunting.
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On September 03 2012 07:49 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:47 Mordiford wrote:On September 03 2012 07:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 03 2012 07:44 Jaksiel wrote:On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage? No. Just a regular Bo5. Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm. Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s Obvious bias much? No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not? There's a difference between extended series and giving the winner's bracket an advantage, you know. If winner's bracket has no advantage, it sort of defeats the purpose of having a winner's bracket and loser's bracket. There is an advantage. Ask LGD if they want to play against iG in the lower bracket and then na`vi again. Ask Navi if they'd rather get two chances in the finals or one with no actual option. Navi already beat iG. It's an undeniable disadvantage when one team has two losses and the other team only gets one before they're eliminated. That's such stupid reasoning jesus christ. You have losses but you have MORE WINS against TOP teams as well. It is a huge advantage that you get to rest while another team has a chance to get knocked out by iG, a team that went 13-1 in group stages including against na`vi. It's unbelievably better to play through the upper bracket all the way through and no one will ever throw. If you wanna whine, I can say that na`vi went 8-6 and overall they lost more than LGD. The advantages go in phases and this is certainly an advantage.
Once again, ask Navi if they want another match against iG, if they win they get two chances in the finals, if they lose they only get one. They would almost certainly choose to take an opportunity for more chances in the finals, which everyone else already go. These are progamers, they aren't running multiple marathons, these guys can crank out these many games in a day without too much difficulty. You can make all the arguments you want at this point but it's actually basic mathematics and logic and the reason why double elimination is double elimination.
Everyone gets 2 chances before being knocked out of the tournament. If everyone but one team gets two chances, that is unfair to that one team.
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On September 03 2012 07:51 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:48 HolydaKing wrote:On September 03 2012 07:46 BlooDAnGeL wrote:On September 03 2012 07:43 HolydaKing wrote:On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage? No. Just a regular Bo5. Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm. Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s Obvious bias much? No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not? WTF? Nothing to do with extended series LOL. Winner bracket teams always have an advantage in the grand finals, be it needing to win just one bo3 or having another kind of advantage like a map lead... it's the advantage of NOT having lost any games. Valve believes that having to play extra games, and in this case if LGD wins, it would be 3 games WB finals, 2-3 games LB finals, and then 3-5 Grand Finals, all without a break, while the winner of WB gets few hours off is more than enough advantage. Yeah well, maybe. But i don't think those progamers will get exhausted by just playing some more games. Maybe they'll reveal some tactics or special stuff but i doubt that as well. These are not just "some games". Context is so very important, if you think these games are the same as your local scrims or public matchmaking, you are mistaken. The mental fatigue of playing three of the most demanding game series back-to-back with the biggest pressure you've ever felt, with a crowd that, let's be honest, doesn't like you... it's taxing to say the least.
At the same time, a team losing a double elimination tournament by losing one match seems tremendously stupid. But it's unavoidable due to the length of DotA 2 games, so they had to compromise somehow.
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after all the awesomness.... back to morphling
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Are Tobi/Synd casting the finals?
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On September 03 2012 07:51 Firebolt145 wrote:They go into bo5 but with no lead.
Not sure about that, last year it's started with 1-0 for Na`Vi against EHOME. I think it will be the same.
On September 03 2012 07:52 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
Are Tobi/Synd casting the finals?
Hope so...
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On September 03 2012 07:51 Nilrem wrote:
I feel exhausted after those last three matches,... just from watching. LGD having to play even more games, sort of daunting.
yea lol same here
holy fuck it must be so exhausting
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I actually think I am going to be eternally disappointed by every other tournament ever after this.
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iG should win. LGD supports are playing terribly. DD can't handle the pressure of a finals.
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So, according to Bruno LGD is going to lose G1 (Morph pick).
btw. what's 'pipe' and 'drums'? Been out of DotA for quite some years.
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Will this game be as exciting as the navi games?
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On September 03 2012 07:50 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:49 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2012 07:46 Shikyo wrote:On September 03 2012 07:44 dibbaN wrote:On September 03 2012 07:42 Firebolt145 wrote:
IMO XBOCT certainly isn't the strongest on Na`Vi. He's definitely extremely good, but not quite legendary status of Dendi/Puppey/LoH. I would even place Ars-art above XBOCT if I had to simply based on his long gaming history. Completely agree. In fact XBOCT made several mistakes during this series, that really shows how strong players the rest are to be able to counterweigh that! Like? I'd again like to point at game 1 where despite an AWFUL start he managed to get numerous kills and became #1 in farm in the whole game, him completely carrying in game 2 and 3, amazing farm in game 3 on a freaking Faceless Void who's not even picked ever. It's like people completely ignore carry players. Killing heroes = you're a god. However farming well should be automatic and when you do that it's no big deal and no-skill. Once again, like I said, he's still an extremely good player. In a team of legendary players, being an extremely good player is still 'the weakest link'. I'd like a weakest link who in the most pressured game in his life goes 11-2 with his team averaging below 1:1 kd over 8:1 cs to minute ratio on a hero who's never picked.
TBH any carry player should be able to this, it really doesn't matter if it's an underused hero or a rare hero. It's about the playstyle of a carry player. The farming style of Void is not much diffrent from Anti-mage. Any top team carry with the freedom would make that score. Eitherway XBOCT played really well so did the rest of Na'vi their coordination is just sick.
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Fuck this i wont sleep tonight to see those games
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Sigh, I could get used to watching games without Morph.
GOGOGOGO iG!
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On September 03 2012 07:50 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:49 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2012 07:46 Shikyo wrote:On September 03 2012 07:44 dibbaN wrote:On September 03 2012 07:42 Firebolt145 wrote:
IMO XBOCT certainly isn't the strongest on Na`Vi. He's definitely extremely good, but not quite legendary status of Dendi/Puppey/LoH. I would even place Ars-art above XBOCT if I had to simply based on his long gaming history. Completely agree. In fact XBOCT made several mistakes during this series, that really shows how strong players the rest are to be able to counterweigh that! Like? I'd again like to point at game 1 where despite an AWFUL start he managed to get numerous kills and became #1 in farm in the whole game, him completely carrying in game 2 and 3, amazing farm in game 3 on a freaking Faceless Void who's not even picked ever. It's like people completely ignore carry players. Killing heroes = you're a god. However farming well should be automatic and when you do that it's no big deal and no-skill. Once again, like I said, he's still an extremely good player. In a team of legendary players, being an extremely good player is still 'the weakest link'. I'd like a weakest link who in the most pressured game in his life goes 11-2 with his team averaging below 1:1 kd over 8:1 cs to minute ratio on a hero who's never picked.
You're mistaking never picked with really hard to farm and kill heroes. They are not the same.
Anyways, MVP of the third game is obviously the Tide for throwing the game so hard early on.
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Man no 1-0 lead for winner bracket winner ? That is the only bad thing in this tournament ..
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On September 03 2012 07:51 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:48 HolydaKing wrote:On September 03 2012 07:46 BlooDAnGeL wrote:On September 03 2012 07:43 HolydaKing wrote:On September 03 2012 07:41 casualman wrote:On September 03 2012 07:41 Jetaap wrote:On September 03 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On September 03 2012 07:38 FakeDeath wrote:
The finals?Winner got the advantage? No. Just a regular Bo5. Looks like another Chinese team is about to be eliminated next match. LGD or iG? Hm. Wow that's beyond stupid :s. The winner to the bracket should have a 1-0 advantage :s Obvious bias much? No one likes extended series in MLG, but when a foreign team stands to gain, hey, why not? WTF? Nothing to do with extended series LOL. Winner bracket teams always have an advantage in the grand finals, be it needing to win just one bo3 or having another kind of advantage like a map lead... it's the advantage of NOT having lost any games. Valve believes that having to play extra games, and in this case if LGD wins, it would be 3 games WB finals, 2-3 games LB finals, and then 3-5 Grand Finals, all without a break, while the winner of WB gets few hours off is more than enough advantage. Yeah well, maybe. But i don't think those progamers will get exhausted by just playing some more games. Maybe they'll reveal some tactics or special stuff but i doubt that as well. These are not just "some games". Context is so very important, if you think these games are the same as your local scrims or public matchmaking, you are mistaken. The mental fatigue of playing three of the most demanding game series back-to-back with the biggest pressure you've ever felt, with a crowd that, let's be honest, doesn't like you... it's taxing to say the least.
Yup, i realized that and edited it later on. The mental advantage is definitely there.
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On September 03 2012 07:52 WarWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:51 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2012 07:49 Bruky wrote:
Navi goes to bo5 with 1-0 lead? They go into bo5 but with no lead. Not sure about that, last year it's started with 1-0 for Na`Vi against EHOME. I think it will be the same. Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 07:52 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
Are Tobi/Synd casting the finals? Hope so...
they said no 1:0 lead, full bo5
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