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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
September 02 2012 23:03 GMT
#19221
On September 03 2012 08:02 FakeDeath wrote:
So the finals will be a clean (no advantage to either teams) Bo5 right?

I just want to see good games.

Yes.
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Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
September 02 2012 23:04 GMT
#19222
haha wow, thanks.

I was looking everywhere for it, except for there.
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
September 02 2012 23:04 GMT
#19223
Rod Breslau ‏@Slasher
I wasn't able to screenshot it, but LGD was trending worldwide on Twitter. Na'Vi probably didn't get it because half of fans add the ' in.
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
September 02 2012 23:04 GMT
#19224
On September 03 2012 08:03 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:55 Shikyo wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:51 dibbaN wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:46 Shikyo wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:44 dibbaN wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:42 Firebolt145 wrote:
IMO XBOCT certainly isn't the strongest on Na`Vi. He's definitely extremely good, but not quite legendary status of Dendi/Puppey/LoH. I would even place Ars-art above XBOCT if I had to simply based on his long gaming history.

Completely agree. In fact XBOCT made several mistakes during this series, that really shows how strong players the rest are to be able to counterweigh that!

Like? I'd again like to point at game 1 where despite an AWFUL start he managed to get numerous kills and became #1 in farm in the whole game, him completely carrying in game 2 and 3, amazing farm in game 3 on a freaking Faceless Void who's not even picked ever.

It's like people completely ignore carry players. Killing heroes = you're a god. However farming well should be automatic and when you do that it's no big deal and no-skill.
Stop talking. I know NaVi, I've followed them since before DotA2. XBOCT is a great player, but is the most inconsistent of their players recently. Farming is not hard for any good carry player, it's all about the team working around you, allowing you to farm. There were several situations when he was waiting too long with the chrono. But if you want something concrete - focusing a Tide who has popped his ulti. Not killing a hero who was stuck in chrono with 20% and instead hitting DS ending up getting noone. Notice how he got hexed during the gap between his chronosphere and bkb? That's a mistake. Happened several times. Don't get me wrong, I love NaVi and they are ALL great players. It's just that XBOCT isn't up to his usual standard, maybe its nerves?

I've followed them before DotA2 as well. In fact far before Dendi even was in Na'Vi.

He sure played consistently in all 3 of these games - I just said he was the best player in the series.

Yet for some reason many carry players still fail at it especially when their team is getting crushed - This was not the case with XBOCT. This actually was the case with LGD's carry who's regarded to be a far better player - Funny isn't it?

There probably were several situations where Dendi for instance fucked up as well, getting hit by that ravage comes to mind. Making mistakes isn't as bad if the rest of your play is so good.

Well I sure wish I had a player in my team who when nervous manage to carry his team with a 11-2 score 650+ gpm 400+ cs despite making mistakes. Oh man how dreadful. And don't forget that, again, he was #1 in farm in the game Na'Vi lost despite getting decimated earlygame and being against one of the best carries in the world. In that he was the only player who actually did anything.

Pretty sure you didn't follow dota for very long since you seem to believe that carry players don't get enough praise, along the years the exact opposite of what you are saying has happened to extremes, if you ask who played for Kingsurf most of t hose that were there will say Yamateh and remember nobody else, who played for Zenith ?Hyhy, etc. Carriers have been in the spotlight since this game was created. SK.Dota dominated the dota scene for a brief moment, yet only Loda got praised, loda this, loda that, loda loda loda.

Then again Vigoss is known as the king of vP for his ganking :D
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17816 Posts
September 02 2012 23:04 GMT
#19225
Could someone enlighten me as to why no one seems to be ever picking up Desolator or MKB? Aren't they great damage for money items in DotA?
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
September 02 2012 23:05 GMT
#19226
DD! Whyyyyyyyy......
Never make a hydralisk.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
September 02 2012 23:05 GMT
#19227
Does every thread have to descent into people getting angry at each other over perceived lack of knowledge lol

Need more action in-game. Have people focusing on game instead of fighting with each other~
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
September 02 2012 23:05 GMT
#19228
On September 03 2012 08:04 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Rod Breslau ‏@Slasher
I wasn't able to screenshot it, but LGD was trending worldwide on Twitter. Na'Vi probably didn't get it because half of fans add the ' in.


imagine if twitter wasn't blocked in china
ffxiv enjoyer
hootsushi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany3468 Posts
September 02 2012 23:06 GMT
#19229
Typical Tobi, missing first blood
pat777
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States356 Posts
September 02 2012 23:06 GMT
#19230
imo, the chinese should stop picking naga vs navi. It seems to be exactly what navi is prepared for.
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
September 02 2012 23:07 GMT
#19231
Zhou getting shut down pretty hard top.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
hootsushi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany3468 Posts
September 02 2012 23:07 GMT
#19232
I'm not sure why LGD chose this lane setup, seems to backfire onto them.
chiflutz
Profile Joined June 2006
Romania1025 Posts
September 02 2012 23:08 GMT
#19233
Now, I don't play Sylla that much, can anyone explain what the devil Zhou was doing with his bear top for the first few minutes ?
kt violet Korea (South). July 27 2012 15:54. Posts 23
GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
September 02 2012 23:08 GMT
#19234
On September 03 2012 08:06 pat777 wrote:
imo, the chinese should stop picking naga vs navi. It seems to be exactly what navi is prepared for.

Yes, banning the horrible dangers of morph and baiting them to pick naga is really what they seem to be doing as long as they secure Rubick for Dendi.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
September 02 2012 23:08 GMT
#19235
On September 03 2012 08:03 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 07:59 dtz wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:58 Shikyo wrote:
On September 03 2012 07:55 Salazarz wrote:
People just have to complain about everything. There's always hundreds of whine-posts in SC2 double-elim finals because one side having an advantage in grand finals before the actual grand finals even start is not very... grand. Now Valve does it this way and lo and behold, hundreds of whine posts again.

Personally, I like this way a lot more, especially if the grand finals are played on same day as other matches. There is absolutely no reason to think that coming from winner's bracket is NOT an advantage, so it's not like teams are going to throw games or whatever. You're going to be fresher, maybe have an extra special strat saved up, have an extra chance to observe your opponents' games... it is an advantage, however small you may want to claim it is - and the finals actually start off on even footing, which is nice.

Just have single elim instead, then.

Fairness is pretty important when a million dollars is on the line. Also those people who complain don't know the format. Don't give the team that wins all their sets a disadvantage in comparison to all the others. Does that make sense to you ?


And with all that rant out of the way IG-LGD is starting, let's see what'll happen.


Why not 16 teams league format for ultimate fairness then? They had the time to do it.

Is this called a slippery slope argument? I'm not familiar with the English terms.

If you do a double elimination format you don't do it up to the final stage and then remove it as if it never was there. Just do single elimination.


Then just don't think of it as a double elim. This is not proper double elimination. It has been clear from the start that there is no 1-0 advantage for the wb winner. We can call it Valve 1.5 elimination.

You were talking about fairness that is why i brought up the league format which would be the fairest format in determining the best team as everyone plays each other. So i was just wondering if you would prefer TI2 to be following that format from the start.

Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 23:09:15
September 02 2012 23:08 GMT
#19236
On September 03 2012 08:04 Manit0u wrote:
Could someone enlighten me as to why no one seems to be ever picking up Desolator or MKB? Aren't they great damage for money items in DotA?

Desolator requires you to get it quite early to be effective, and the minus armor is easily gotten by getting a medallion instead. It also gives you ONLY damage with no survivability at all, whereas other damage items that are generally rushed like Manta give additional abilities. By the time you start looking for pure damage items, it is too late and desolator is outclassed by other damage items such as MKB or Daedalus.

MKB is only a great damage item on heroes that inherently have relatively low base damage, such as Windrunner or QoP. On most other heroes Daedalus is a better damage item.
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Suffo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States936 Posts
September 02 2012 23:08 GMT
#19237
On September 03 2012 08:08 chiflutz wrote:
Now, I don't play Sylla that much, can anyone explain what the devil Zhou was doing with his bear top for the first few minutes ?


Trying to pull the creep wave to tower since he really can't get close enough to get exp or he'll die from the tri lane, furion + sylla do this mainly.
Ramanujan
Profile Joined April 2012
137 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 23:09:13
September 02 2012 23:08 GMT
#19238
On September 03 2012 08:04 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Rod Breslau ‏@Slasher
I wasn't able to screenshot it, but LGD was trending worldwide on Twitter. Na'Vi probably didn't get it because half of fans add the ' in.


What is "trending on twitter"? There's nothing on that page that shows anything trending. And I've heard that shit spewed so many times now for basically anything. "IT'S TRENDING WORLDWIDE!!!" Seems like it takes very minimal effort to get something trending, and seems like nobody should care or if it's even a thing.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 02 2012 23:09 GMT
#19239
On September 03 2012 08:04 Manit0u wrote:
Could someone enlighten me as to why no one seems to be ever picking up Desolator or MKB? Aren't they great damage for money items in DotA?

people get MKB when going against dodge champs or if you are long range and want to siege uphill. it provides 0 survivability so it's mostly just for damage and it doesn't really help you farm either (like bfury)

desolator moreso the survival reasoning you get deso in -armor strats typically though.

pure damage just isn't viable as a option without some survivability behind it.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17816 Posts
September 02 2012 23:09 GMT
#19240
LGD is out for blood. They need to finish it fast to be in shape for the grand final.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
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