EPTOn September 02 2012 16:16 jmbthirteen wrote:
finish the Na'Vi vs iG series. And EHOME vs Orange.
finish the Na'Vi vs iG series. And EHOME vs Orange.
I agree with this, both series were great
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Rwatkins
United Kingdom61 Posts
I agree with this, both series were great | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Looking at the way iG played Game 3, and then vs. Ehome, they were frustrated to hell by that game. I heard Zhou was still flustered during the Ehome game and missed half his CS because of it. | ||
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ControlMonkey
Australia3109 Posts
The fight at 22 mins at the ig mid rax. Dendi steals ravage, then blinks in the completely wrong direction and does a fail ravage. If you watch the fight from his play perspective, it looks like he targets his blink directly in the middle of the fight, but it blinks in totally the wrong direction. Weird. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 02 2012 17:16 ControlMonkey wrote: Was just watching the Ig vs Navi game 2 replay. The fight at 22 mins at the ig mid rax. Dendi steals ravage, then blinks in the completely wrong direction and does a fail ravage. If you watch the fight from his play perspective, it looks like he targets his blink directly in the middle of the fight, but it blinks in totally the wrong direction. Weird. He probably double-tapped. If you double-press Blink Dagger, it blinks in the direction of your fountain. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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soulostar
United States46 Posts
On September 02 2012 17:16 ControlMonkey wrote: Was just watching the Ig vs Navi game 2 replay. The fight at 22 mins at the ig mid rax. Dendi steals ravage, then blinks in the completely wrong direction and does a fail ravage. If you watch the fight from his play perspective, it looks like he targets his blink directly in the middle of the fight, but it blinks in totally the wrong direction. Weird. Double tapped blink hotkey probably. edit: fail | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 02 2012 17:16 Azarkon wrote: Looking at the way iG played Game 3, and then vs. Ehome, they were frustrated to hell by that game. I heard Zhou was still flustered during the Ehome game and missed half his CS because of it. I think he means with respect to being outpicked. It's easy to say the other side was outpicked when you win the game. That said, Zhou doesn't even do the drafts for iG. Faith does. | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
On September 02 2012 16:50 Yoshi- wrote: dendi had also a blink and blinked away before ravage came afaik Force staffed when naga broke the ulti. He avoided Ravage all together, then came back in the fight after tide pop'd it and was caught in the black hole. | ||
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Elios
Brazil277 Posts
Puppy saying that he outpicked IG ... simple. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Synderen's or someone's opinion would be interesting. On September 02 2012 17:16 ControlMonkey wrote: Was just watching the Ig vs Navi game 2 replay. The fight at 22 mins at the ig mid rax. Dendi steals ravage, then blinks in the completely wrong direction and does a fail ravage. If you watch the fight from his play perspective, it looks like he targets his blink directly in the middle of the fight, but it blinks in totally the wrong direction. Weird. Does this happen if his keyboard bugged out and doubletapped by accident? On September 02 2012 17:19 TheYango wrote: I think he means with respect to being outpicked. It's easy to say the other side was outpicked when you win the game. That said, Zhou doesn't even do the drafts for iG. Faith does. Yeah no idea why I even said captain instead of drafter -_- Captains mode and all that | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On September 02 2012 16:47 Elios wrote: ofc they did ... That Yunero + enigma + rubick was to counter Naga siren lol ... Enigma rushed bkb and Yunero got vanguard to not die in 1 shot ... Naga uts... Navi has 2 heroes imunes and Enigma is one of them... they are all stacked up so Spin + Blackhole + Steal Ravage ... That was obvius, because the only other way of playing these heroes were to push early ... they didnt until enigma had BKB and yunero had enough farm.. The sad thing about all this is that had iG been a bit smarter, which I thought they were with an experienced captain ala Zhou, all they had to do to 'counter' Puppey's pick was to get a VS / Beast. There was a time when Enigma was perma picked / banned. Then teams started picking heroes with ults that go through BKB to stop his black holes - iG just needed one of these heroes, and then Na'Vi's plan goes out the window. | ||
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Elios
Brazil277 Posts
On September 02 2012 17:22 Azarkon wrote: The sad thing about all this is that had iG been a bit smarter, which I thought they were with an experienced captain ala Zhou, all they had to do to 'counter' Puppey's pick was to get a VS / Beast. There was a time when Enigma was perma picked / banned. Then teams started picking heroes with ults that go through BKB to stop his black holes. iG just needed one of these heroes, and then Na'Vi's plan goes out the window. I think thats the only problem with Chinese teams .. They dont have a puppey that can pick Pudge, like last year, or Yunero...These heroes change how not only your team playes but everyone and Chinese teams are not use to it... Thats why for me Puppey + LoH won them the series. | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
Really hoping that Navi will be in the finals, it would be the scenario that gives the most hype and make for the crowd go insane I feel ( being the defending champion and only team challenging the chinese dominance). | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On September 02 2012 16:51 Ryuu314 wrote: While Na'vi's picks against IG were great, I'm not convinced that it was Navi that outpicked them as much as it was IG choking and making some major mistakes over and over again. iG's teamfight weakness is enigma, note how vs EG and Na'Vi they didn't respect the black hole. 430 played bad today but honestly he wasnt given the tools to take over the early-mid game -- puck wasnt very useful against na'vis lineup and a lot of the games have been so aggressive on tinker in TI2 that the hero often doesnt get any time to get rolling before teams lose, resulting in a 35% winrate so far. going into the actual TI2 people thought LGD was less versatile than iG, but while iG has very talented players they seem to be reluctant to get out of their comfort hero picks, as evidenced in these later rounds. i think beastmaster will become one of the more important heroes to think about in these final rounds. | ||
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
On September 02 2012 17:22 Azarkon wrote: The sad thing about all this is that had iG been a bit smarter, which I thought they were with an experienced captain ala Zhou, all they had to do to 'counter' Puppey's pick was to get a VS / Beast. There was a time when Enigma was perma picked / banned. Then teams started picking heroes with ults that go through BKB to stop his black holes - iG just needed one of these heroes, and then Na'Vi's plan goes out the window. Yeah, I thought it was pretty interesting to reflect that last year (maybe not exactly last year, but a while back) Enigma was a really common pick / ban and everyone made sure to pick something that could cancel the blackhole. Now there are a lot more powerful heroes in the pool that are getting a lot more attention, and Na'Vi's Enigma pick goes uncountered. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
They didn't have to pick VS/BM. I think that is why that terrible fight was for IG was attributed to Zhou being overconfident. He should stay away from enigma while sending his illusions. That would have been enough. That's not to say that it was not brilliant by Dendi and LoH though. Just saying that IG kinda messed it up a little bit. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Elios
Brazil277 Posts
And DK, Orange, Zenith and now even IG look weak compared to Na'vi. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On September 02 2012 17:43 dtz wrote: Doesnt naga ensnare goes through bkb and interrupt channeling spell? They didn't have to pick VS/BM. I think that is why that terrible fight was for IG was attributed to Zhou being overconfident. He should stay away from enigma while sending his illusions. That would have been enough. That's not to say that it was not brilliant by Dendi and LoH though. Just saying that IG kinda messed it up a little bit. i believe it does, but having your song initiator be the one that has to cancel the black hole, i think can be very risky. | ||
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