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On September 02 2012 14:01 Varpulis wrote:
guys I really doubt teams are losing intentionally to hide their strength. I can understand playing standard so as to not give away their strats, but the idea that Na'Vi's poor performance in the prelilms was a calculated plan is pretty far-fetched
in the prelims I think its believable because the risk is very little, but someone suggested that IG did the same to fall down into the LB, that's 100% BS, nobody wants to risk it all in a bo1.
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Azarkan should just fucking stop making conspiracy theories.
He is baiting with his statement.
We get you are a Navi fanboy but stop fucking baiting other fans with such conspiracy theories.
Just cheer for your team.
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On September 02 2012 14:03 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:02 dtz wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:42 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Ramanujan wrote:
Ferrari seems pretty mediocre. Terrible puck and tinker vs navi, and now complete freefarm with brood but still nowhere near the cs top. Finally people observe what Ryze observed in the very first day. 430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. Ridiculous. A magician never reveals his tricks. Na'Vi has been planning this since Day 1. Dude, you do know that after the prelims were done, Navi and Zenith went bootcamping and they actually shared strategies and stuff. Collaborate to defeat the Chinese so to speak. If they were screwing with everyone, why did they bootcamp with Zenith" I mean Navi has been playing well and Puppey totally outdrafted IG there, but let's not go all conspiracy theories. You think Navi purposely put themselves in the position of almost missing out of the WB? Xboct did not go from a guy who was not able to last hit at the level of top EU carries into a guy who was able to match Burning in fucking farm with AM in two nights of bootcamping with Zenith.
He had a free lane with Lesh harassing the Dark Seer completely off the lane. Burning in the same situation vs. Darer had 3/4 as many denies as he did lasthits in the laning phase and easily surpassed Hvost in GPM later on.
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On September 02 2012 14:03 superstartran wrote:
I'm done. The amount of trolling/fanboyism has gone too far. This is what I was afraid of when TL stated they would do official coverage. Pretty sure it's only going to get worse.
You are arguing with two people over the last pages and then proceed to accuse TL for too much fanboyism? You guys should relax a lil' bit more.
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Things like team coordination and mental fortitude is part of a team's strength, the fact that ig played better than navi until that colossal fuckup is as undeniable as the fact that they fell apart and got raped by navi in the third game or that navi got completely dominated in the first
Ps: Azarkon doesn't seem to know that net ministuns and goes thru bkb
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During Groupstage, DK was 1-1 against Zenith not 2-0.
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loda is so sad 
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On September 02 2012 14:03 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:02 dtz wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:42 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Ramanujan wrote:
Ferrari seems pretty mediocre. Terrible puck and tinker vs navi, and now complete freefarm with brood but still nowhere near the cs top. Finally people observe what Ryze observed in the very first day. 430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. Ridiculous. A magician never reveals his tricks. Na'Vi has been planning this since Day 1. Dude, you do know that after the prelims were done, Navi and Zenith went bootcamping and they actually shared strategies and stuff. Collaborate to defeat the Chinese so to speak. If they were screwing with everyone, why did they bootcamp with Zenith" I mean Navi has been playing well and Puppey totally outdrafted IG there, but let's not go all conspiracy theories. You think Navi purposely put themselves in the position of almost missing out of the WB? Xboct did not go from a guy who was not able to last hit at the level of top EU carries into a guy who was able to match Burning in fucking farm with AM in two nights of bootcamping with Zenith.
exactly, in one game he faced zhou and got trounced, in the other he faced nobody but the A.I, xboct is still overrated, ever since he joined Na'Vi he has been overrated.
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what an awkward interview.
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On September 02 2012 14:03 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:02 dtz wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:42 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Ramanujan wrote:
Ferrari seems pretty mediocre. Terrible puck and tinker vs navi, and now complete freefarm with brood but still nowhere near the cs top. Finally people observe what Ryze observed in the very first day. 430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. Ridiculous. A magician never reveals his tricks. Na'Vi has been planning this since Day 1. Dude, you do know that after the prelims were done, Navi and Zenith went bootcamping and they actually shared strategies and stuff. Collaborate to defeat the Chinese so to speak. If they were screwing with everyone, why did they bootcamp with Zenith" I mean Navi has been playing well and Puppey totally outdrafted IG there, but let's not go all conspiracy theories. You think Navi purposely put themselves in the position of almost missing out of the WB? Xboct did not go from a guy who was not able to last hit at the level of top EU carries into a guy who was able to match Burning in fucking farm with AM in two nights of bootcamping with Zenith.
How well your carry farms is really a function of how well the rest of the team controls the map. In that game 1, XBOCT AM actually had 2 creeps in 5 minutes against Zhou. You think he purposely sucked and threw away game 1 as well? Just like he did during Prelims? He purposely sucked are you kidding me?
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On September 02 2012 14:05 Nilrem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:03 superstartran wrote:
I'm done. The amount of trolling/fanboyism has gone too far. This is what I was afraid of when TL stated they would do official coverage. Pretty sure it's only going to get worse. Lol, disagree with me and you are either trolling or a fanboy! Well, was fun so catch you later!
Not you, Azarkon/other guy riding Navi's dick.
Navi should have lost that fight in G2; Zhou not staying out to ensure bhole didn't go off was a massive mistake that Zhou typically does not make.
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On September 02 2012 14:06 Kupon3ss wrote:
Things like team coordination and mental fortitude is part of a team's strength, the fact that ig played better than navi until that colossal fuckup is as undeniable as the fact that they fell apart and got raped by navi in the third game or that navi got completely dominated in the first
Ps: Azarkon doesn't seem to know that net ministuns and goes thru bkb
I heard iG learned after the game what they did wrong. Na'vi learns what they did wrong during the game and then does not repeat it. Na'vi > iG,LGD.
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On September 02 2012 14:06 CherryNubCakes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:03 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 14:02 dtz wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:
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Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:42 Azarkon wrote:
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Finally people observe what Ryze observed in the very first day. 430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. Ridiculous. A magician never reveals his tricks. Na'Vi has been planning this since Day 1. Dude, you do know that after the prelims were done, Navi and Zenith went bootcamping and they actually shared strategies and stuff. Collaborate to defeat the Chinese so to speak. If they were screwing with everyone, why did they bootcamp with Zenith" I mean Navi has been playing well and Puppey totally outdrafted IG there, but let's not go all conspiracy theories. You think Navi purposely put themselves in the position of almost missing out of the WB? Xboct did not go from a guy who was not able to last hit at the level of top EU carries into a guy who was able to match Burning in fucking farm with AM in two nights of bootcamping with Zenith. He had a free lane with Lesh harassing the Dark Seer completely off the lane. Burning in the same situation vs. Darer had 3/4 as many denies as he did lasthits in the laning phase and easily surpassed Hvost in GPM later on.
Do you remember how bad Hvost played the first day, and in fact the second?
Do you remember how bad Dendi played?
Look at them now. Farming to Burning's standard, OUTLANING 430. So Hvost still isn't perfect - which Burning is on AM - so what? You think they're playing at the level they were in the first 1-2 days?
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singapore too small to have a province/city -.-
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On September 02 2012 14:09 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
singapore too small to have a province/city -.-
They should give like, a street they live in to have more to say
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On September 02 2012 14:01 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:59 Ramanujan wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:42 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Ramanujan wrote:
Ferrari seems pretty mediocre. Terrible puck and tinker vs navi, and now complete freefarm with brood but still nowhere near the cs top. Finally people observe what Ryze observed in the very first day. 430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. There's $1 dollars at stake and you think they intentionally LOSE games and gamble on barely reaching the winner's bracket? Jesus christ. It's not a gamble when you know you're better than your opponents. It's a risk, yes, but no risk = no fucking gain. Na'Vi played a classic gambit, and it's taken them all the way to the WB finals. Their opponents are still fucking clueless. This is why Puppey is a genius.
You're either a really bad troll ( too obvious) or incredibly dumb o_O
Usually you play a gambit if it has a reward.
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On September 02 2012 14:08 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:06 CherryNubCakes wrote:On September 02 2012 14:03 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 14:02 dtz wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:
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No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:
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430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. Ridiculous. A magician never reveals his tricks. Na'Vi has been planning this since Day 1. Dude, you do know that after the prelims were done, Navi and Zenith went bootcamping and they actually shared strategies and stuff. Collaborate to defeat the Chinese so to speak. If they were screwing with everyone, why did they bootcamp with Zenith" I mean Navi has been playing well and Puppey totally outdrafted IG there, but let's not go all conspiracy theories. You think Navi purposely put themselves in the position of almost missing out of the WB? Xboct did not go from a guy who was not able to last hit at the level of top EU carries into a guy who was able to match Burning in fucking farm with AM in two nights of bootcamping with Zenith. He had a free lane with Lesh harassing the Dark Seer completely off the lane. Burning in the same situation vs. Darer had 3/4 as many denies as he did lasthits in the laning phase and easily surpassed Hvost in GPM later on. Do you remember how bad Hvost played the first day, and in fact the second? Do you remember how bad Dendi played? Look at them now. Farming to Burning's standard, OUTLANING 430. So Hvost still isn't perfect - which Burning is on AM - so what? You think they're playing at the level they were in the first 1-2 days?
Game 1 XBOCT was getting destroyed in last hit. 2 creeps in 5 minutes. He threw that too? So to make IG overconfident and for Navi to destroy them game 2 and 3?
Teams have up and down form. Look at CLG? 6-0 then 6-8. Look at Zenith?1-5 then 8-7
Look, Navi is playing good. Much better than in prelims. But to attribute it to them purposely sucking is ridiculous. They, like every other person in the world, have good and bad days. Maybe they thrive more under higher pressure, but that's really different from purposely sucking.
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On September 02 2012 14:08 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:06 CherryNubCakes wrote:On September 02 2012 14:03 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 14:02 dtz wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:
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No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:
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430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. Ridiculous. A magician never reveals his tricks. Na'Vi has been planning this since Day 1. Dude, you do know that after the prelims were done, Navi and Zenith went bootcamping and they actually shared strategies and stuff. Collaborate to defeat the Chinese so to speak. If they were screwing with everyone, why did they bootcamp with Zenith" I mean Navi has been playing well and Puppey totally outdrafted IG there, but let's not go all conspiracy theories. You think Navi purposely put themselves in the position of almost missing out of the WB? Xboct did not go from a guy who was not able to last hit at the level of top EU carries into a guy who was able to match Burning in fucking farm with AM in two nights of bootcamping with Zenith. He had a free lane with Lesh harassing the Dark Seer completely off the lane. Burning in the same situation vs. Darer had 3/4 as many denies as he did lasthits in the laning phase and easily surpassed Hvost in GPM later on. Do you remember how bad Hvost played the first day, and in fact the second? Do you remember how bad Dendi played? Look at them now. Farming to Burning's standard, OUTLANING 430. So Hvost still isn't perfect - which Burning is on AM - so what? You think they're playing at the level they were in the first 1-2 days?
Nobody is questioning that they are playing better now than they did in the prelims.
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On September 02 2012 14:09 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:01 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:59 Ramanujan wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:
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Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:42 Azarkon wrote:
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Finally people observe what Ryze observed in the very first day. 430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. There's $1 dollars at stake and you think they intentionally LOSE games and gamble on barely reaching the winner's bracket? Jesus christ. It's not a gamble when you know you're better than your opponents. It's a risk, yes, but no risk = no fucking gain. Na'Vi played a classic gambit, and it's taken them all the way to the WB finals. Their opponents are still fucking clueless. This is why Puppey is a genius. You're either a really bad troll ( too obvious) or incredibly dumb o_O Usually you play a gambit if it has a reward.
It does have a reward.
Psychological advantage.
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