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On September 02 2012 14:10 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:09 Shikyo wrote:On September 02 2012 14:01 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:59 Ramanujan wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:
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No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:
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430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. There's $1 dollars at stake and you think they intentionally LOSE games and gamble on barely reaching the winner's bracket? Jesus christ. It's not a gamble when you know you're better than your opponents. It's a risk, yes, but no risk = no fucking gain. Na'Vi played a classic gambit, and it's taken them all the way to the WB finals. Their opponents are still fucking clueless. This is why Puppey is a genius. You're either a really bad troll ( too obvious) or incredibly dumb o_O Usually you play a gambit if it has a reward. It does have a reward. Psychological advantage.
I'm pretty sure none of the teams in this tournament are dumb enough not to consider Na'Vi a threat, regardless of their performance in this particular tournament. There's $1 million on the line, nobody is gonna say "hey we beat these guys in prelims its a freewin we don't have to try"
Explain how this "psychological advantage" has helped Na'Vi win
*edit: and because puppey trolls interviews its all a game of psychological warfare? I seriously think you're underestimating the mental capacity of these players.
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My god the fanboyism in this thread is off the charts, and here I thought the LR would be nice and clean 
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On September 02 2012 14:14 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:10 Varpulis wrote:On September 02 2012 14:03 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 14:02 dtz wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:
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No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:
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430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. Ridiculous. A magician never reveals his tricks. Na'Vi has been planning this since Day 1. Dude, you do know that after the prelims were done, Navi and Zenith went bootcamping and they actually shared strategies and stuff. Collaborate to defeat the Chinese so to speak. If they were screwing with everyone, why did they bootcamp with Zenith" I mean Navi has been playing well and Puppey totally outdrafted IG there, but let's not go all conspiracy theories. You think Navi purposely put themselves in the position of almost missing out of the WB? Xboct did not go from a guy who was not able to last hit at the level of top EU carries into a guy who was able to match Burning in fucking farm with AM in two nights of bootcamping with Zenith. let me get this straight: because this is such an important tournament, Na'Vi looked at the format and decided that they wanted to just barely get into the winner's bracket, and played like shit on purpose? I watched most of their prelim games, and their wins were just as sloppy as their losses. Your only "evidence" is that Na'Vi is playing much better now. It's not like some people/teams excel under high pressure and know when to pull out the big guns. Face it: Na'Vi had a rough showing early and now that they've got their shit together they're on a roll. Na'Vi fanboys are having a great day, no need to embellish anything. I have better evidence than that: Puppey trolling his interviews. When asked about why he picked Jugg + Enigma second game, he told the interviewer - cause, you know, it was LULZ to pick a Jugg. Jugg + Enigma is not a strategy you just pull out of a fucking hat. He KNEW what he was doing and Na'Vi 100% practiced this strategy before. Puppey has been trolling the entire tournament with his interview answers about how bad his team is and how underdogs they are. Yet they keep on winning, and when they win, they win spectacularly. These aren't close games. These are stomps. Na'Vi is stomping top Chinese teams.
Yes beating a team 2-1 when the other team made a colossal fuck up is Na'vi stomping people. Where's a god damn TL admin when you need one. The amount of garbage being spewed out from this guy (who is a notorious troll on GG.net) is ridiculous.
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there's all this talk about morphlings and naga sirens and anti-mages and stuff.
what's the deal with the lycanthrope that it is one of the first bans every time? is it even more imba?
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I'm talking about what happens in free farm situations because that's when you see how well a player last hits. <--- take a look at this Azarkon's quotes ! One of my favorites.
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On September 02 2012 14:14 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:10 Varpulis wrote:On September 02 2012 14:03 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 14:02 dtz wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:
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No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:
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430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. Ridiculous. A magician never reveals his tricks. Na'Vi has been planning this since Day 1. Dude, you do know that after the prelims were done, Navi and Zenith went bootcamping and they actually shared strategies and stuff. Collaborate to defeat the Chinese so to speak. If they were screwing with everyone, why did they bootcamp with Zenith" I mean Navi has been playing well and Puppey totally outdrafted IG there, but let's not go all conspiracy theories. You think Navi purposely put themselves in the position of almost missing out of the WB? Xboct did not go from a guy who was not able to last hit at the level of top EU carries into a guy who was able to match Burning in fucking farm with AM in two nights of bootcamping with Zenith. let me get this straight: because this is such an important tournament, Na'Vi looked at the format and decided that they wanted to just barely get into the winner's bracket, and played like shit on purpose? I watched most of their prelim games, and their wins were just as sloppy as their losses. Your only "evidence" is that Na'Vi is playing much better now. It's not like some people/teams excel under high pressure and know when to pull out the big guns. Face it: Na'Vi had a rough showing early and now that they've got their shit together they're on a roll. Na'Vi fanboys are having a great day, no need to embellish anything. I have better evidence than that: Puppey trolling his interviews. When asked about why he picked Jugg + Enigma second game, he told the interviewer - cause, you know, it was LULZ to pick a Jugg. Jugg + Enigma is not a strategy you just pull out of a fucking hat. He KNEW what he was doing and Na'Vi 100% practiced this strategy before. Puppey has been trolling the entire tournament with his interview answers about how bad his team is and how underdogs they are. Yet they keep on winning, and when they win, they win spectacularly. These aren't close games. These are stomps. Na'Vi is stomping top Chinese teams.
Next you're going to tell us that they got 16 minute stomped in the first game to throw the Chinese teams off their game. Obviously you're right as well since they won 2-1 and "stomped" IG in the other two games.
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Guys just ignore Azarkon.
Clearly baiting so many people since he is a hardcore Navi fan.
It's good to be a fan but don't fucking make up conspiracy theories about them losing on purpose.
It makes you look bad honestly.
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On September 02 2012 14:10 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:03 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 14:02 dtz wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:
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Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:42 Azarkon wrote:
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Finally people observe what Ryze observed in the very first day. 430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. Ridiculous. A magician never reveals his tricks. Na'Vi has been planning this since Day 1. Dude, you do know that after the prelims were done, Navi and Zenith went bootcamping and they actually shared strategies and stuff. Collaborate to defeat the Chinese so to speak. If they were screwing with everyone, why did they bootcamp with Zenith" I mean Navi has been playing well and Puppey totally outdrafted IG there, but let's not go all conspiracy theories. You think Navi purposely put themselves in the position of almost missing out of the WB? Xboct did not go from a guy who was not able to last hit at the level of top EU carries into a guy who was able to match Burning in fucking farm with AM in two nights of bootcamping with Zenith. let me get this straight: because this is such an important tournament, Na'Vi looked at the format and decided that they wanted to just barely get into the winner's bracket, and played like shit on purpose? I watched most of their prelim games, and their wins were just as sloppy as their losses. Your only "evidence" is that Na'Vi is playing much better now. It's not like some people/teams excel under high pressure and know when to pull out the big guns. Face it: Na'Vi had a rough showing early and now that they've got their shit together they're on a roll. Na'Vi fanboys are having a great day, no need to embellish anything.
These guys have done this for a long time, ever since they got together in DTS, they do in fact love to fake weakness to get into people's minds(and obviously save their best strats), there's a good chance that they did that during the prelims, but they obviously gave it their all vs IG, maybe just not their best picks in the first game to see if they could win by playing standard.
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On September 02 2012 14:15 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:10 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 14:09 Shikyo wrote:On September 02 2012 14:01 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:59 Ramanujan wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:
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Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game.
Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:
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He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. There's $1 dollars at stake and you think they intentionally LOSE games and gamble on barely reaching the winner's bracket? Jesus christ. It's not a gamble when you know you're better than your opponents. It's a risk, yes, but no risk = no fucking gain. Na'Vi played a classic gambit, and it's taken them all the way to the WB finals. Their opponents are still fucking clueless. This is why Puppey is a genius. You're either a really bad troll ( too obvious) or incredibly dumb o_O Usually you play a gambit if it has a reward. It does have a reward. Psychological advantage. I'm pretty sure none of the teams in this tournament are dumb enough not to consider Na'Vi a threat, regardless of their performance in this particular tournament. There's $1 million on the line, nobody is gonna say "hey we beat these guys in prelims its a freewin we don't have to try" Explain how this "psychological advantage" has helped Na'Vi win
Easy. Same way Stephano gets in his opponents' heads by saying that he didn't practice for shit and yet when they play he still stomps them practicing 24/7. Same way it helps him calm down by telling himself that he's the underdog so losing is not that bad.
iG played Na'Vi twice. They destroyed Na'Vi the first series. It was not close. For other teams this wrecks your mentality. For Na'Vi they came back and 2-1'd iG. iG is now playing bad because they thought they lost to a weak ass team that they thought they were going to stomp based on what happened on Day 1.
That's how you mind fuck your opponent.
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On September 02 2012 14:16 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:14 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 14:10 Varpulis wrote:On September 02 2012 14:03 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 14:02 dtz wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:
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Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game.
Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:
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He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. Ridiculous. A magician never reveals his tricks. Na'Vi has been planning this since Day 1. Dude, you do know that after the prelims were done, Navi and Zenith went bootcamping and they actually shared strategies and stuff. Collaborate to defeat the Chinese so to speak. If they were screwing with everyone, why did they bootcamp with Zenith" I mean Navi has been playing well and Puppey totally outdrafted IG there, but let's not go all conspiracy theories. You think Navi purposely put themselves in the position of almost missing out of the WB? Xboct did not go from a guy who was not able to last hit at the level of top EU carries into a guy who was able to match Burning in fucking farm with AM in two nights of bootcamping with Zenith. let me get this straight: because this is such an important tournament, Na'Vi looked at the format and decided that they wanted to just barely get into the winner's bracket, and played like shit on purpose? I watched most of their prelim games, and their wins were just as sloppy as their losses. Your only "evidence" is that Na'Vi is playing much better now. It's not like some people/teams excel under high pressure and know when to pull out the big guns. Face it: Na'Vi had a rough showing early and now that they've got their shit together they're on a roll. Na'Vi fanboys are having a great day, no need to embellish anything. I have better evidence than that: Puppey trolling his interviews. When asked about why he picked Jugg + Enigma second game, he told the interviewer - cause, you know, it was LULZ to pick a Jugg. Jugg + Enigma is not a strategy you just pull out of a fucking hat. He KNEW what he was doing and Na'Vi 100% practiced this strategy before. Puppey has been trolling the entire tournament with his interview answers about how bad his team is and how underdogs they are. Yet they keep on winning, and when they win, they win spectacularly. These aren't close games. These are stomps. Na'Vi is stomping top Chinese teams. Yes beating a team 2-1 when the other team made a colossal fuck up is Na'vi stomping people. Where's a god damn TL admin when you need one. The amount of garbage being spewed out from this guy (who is a notorious troll on GG.net) is ridiculous.
Hmm, never knew the admins served you....
Na'vi are trolls man, that is a given fact. Watch puppey cast with tobi.
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On September 02 2012 14:14 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:10 Varpulis wrote:On September 02 2012 14:03 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 14:02 dtz wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:
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No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:
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430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. Ridiculous. A magician never reveals his tricks. Na'Vi has been planning this since Day 1. Dude, you do know that after the prelims were done, Navi and Zenith went bootcamping and they actually shared strategies and stuff. Collaborate to defeat the Chinese so to speak. If they were screwing with everyone, why did they bootcamp with Zenith" I mean Navi has been playing well and Puppey totally outdrafted IG there, but let's not go all conspiracy theories. You think Navi purposely put themselves in the position of almost missing out of the WB? Xboct did not go from a guy who was not able to last hit at the level of top EU carries into a guy who was able to match Burning in fucking farm with AM in two nights of bootcamping with Zenith. let me get this straight: because this is such an important tournament, Na'Vi looked at the format and decided that they wanted to just barely get into the winner's bracket, and played like shit on purpose? I watched most of their prelim games, and their wins were just as sloppy as their losses. Your only "evidence" is that Na'Vi is playing much better now. It's not like some people/teams excel under high pressure and know when to pull out the big guns. Face it: Na'Vi had a rough showing early and now that they've got their shit together they're on a roll. Na'Vi fanboys are having a great day, no need to embellish anything. I have better evidence than that: Puppey trolling his interviews. When asked about why he picked Jugg + Enigma second game, he told the interviewer - cause, you know, it was LULZ to pick a Jugg. Jugg + Enigma is not a strategy you just pull out of a fucking hat. He KNEW what he was doing and Na'Vi 100% practiced this strategy before. Puppey has been trolling the entire tournament with his interview answers about how bad his team is and how underdogs they are. Yet they keep on winning, and when they win, they win spectacularly. These aren't close games. These are stomps. Na'Vi is stomping top Chinese teams.
Yeah no one is disputing the fact that Jugg+Enigma is a special strat. And puppey has been trolling interviews since the beginning of time. "we are going to pick mortred. then mortred again.mortred is so good you can pick it twice"
Doesn't mean that they threw their prelim games on purpose. lol. They were in good form now, in bad form then.
Is that so hard?
let's see. oh ZENITH is finally including Loda in their drafting phase. They have been throwing their games and not drafting seriously! Now they are in LB and will mount a great comeback because everyone has written them off!!!
You see how dumb that argument is?
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On September 02 2012 14:17 Oboeman wrote:
there's all this talk about morphlings and naga sirens and anti-mages and stuff.
what's the deal with the lycanthrope that it is one of the first bans every time? is it even more imba?
I see morphling all these games, and he seems to be wrecking. The fact other champs are more important to ban first seems crazy to me.
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On September 02 2012 14:19 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:17 Oboeman wrote:
there's all this talk about morphlings and naga sirens and anti-mages and stuff.
what's the deal with the lycanthrope that it is one of the first bans every time? is it even more imba? I see morphling all these games, and he seems to be wrecking. The fact other champs are more important to ban first seems crazy to me.
Just realize today almost all of the games that the team having veno loses.
T.T
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On September 02 2012 14:18 Jisall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:16 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 14:14 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 14:10 Varpulis wrote:On September 02 2012 14:03 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 14:02 dtz wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:
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Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc.
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The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. Ridiculous. A magician never reveals his tricks. Na'Vi has been planning this since Day 1. Dude, you do know that after the prelims were done, Navi and Zenith went bootcamping and they actually shared strategies and stuff. Collaborate to defeat the Chinese so to speak. If they were screwing with everyone, why did they bootcamp with Zenith" I mean Navi has been playing well and Puppey totally outdrafted IG there, but let's not go all conspiracy theories. You think Navi purposely put themselves in the position of almost missing out of the WB? Xboct did not go from a guy who was not able to last hit at the level of top EU carries into a guy who was able to match Burning in fucking farm with AM in two nights of bootcamping with Zenith. let me get this straight: because this is such an important tournament, Na'Vi looked at the format and decided that they wanted to just barely get into the winner's bracket, and played like shit on purpose? I watched most of their prelim games, and their wins were just as sloppy as their losses. Your only "evidence" is that Na'Vi is playing much better now. It's not like some people/teams excel under high pressure and know when to pull out the big guns. Face it: Na'Vi had a rough showing early and now that they've got their shit together they're on a roll. Na'Vi fanboys are having a great day, no need to embellish anything. I have better evidence than that: Puppey trolling his interviews. When asked about why he picked Jugg + Enigma second game, he told the interviewer - cause, you know, it was LULZ to pick a Jugg. Jugg + Enigma is not a strategy you just pull out of a fucking hat. He KNEW what he was doing and Na'Vi 100% practiced this strategy before. Puppey has been trolling the entire tournament with his interview answers about how bad his team is and how underdogs they are. Yet they keep on winning, and when they win, they win spectacularly. These aren't close games. These are stomps. Na'Vi is stomping top Chinese teams. Yes beating a team 2-1 when the other team made a colossal fuck up is Na'vi stomping people. Where's a god damn TL admin when you need one. The amount of garbage being spewed out from this guy (who is a notorious troll on GG.net) is ridiculous. Hmm, never knew the admins served you.... Na'vi are trolls man, that is a given fact. Watch puppey cast with tobi.
Admins don't serve me, they serve the community. The amount of trash that's being spewed by both you and Aza is ridiculous. You've added no content or any serious discussion of what's going on, and are just simply saying "NA'VI TOO STRONG LOL CHINESE TEAM SUCK LOL OUTPLAYED ETC. ETC."
All anyone mentioned was that in that particular game between IG and Navi, Zhou made an uncharacteristic mistake that seriously cost them the game. After coming off a literally perfect initiation, he proceeds to stand his ass on top of Enigma and gets bholed along with the rest of his team, essentially costing them the game. Had he stood outside of the range away from his team, he could have snared him and canceled the BH, putting Navi in a much more disadvantageous position. At the very best Navi gets 2-3 heroes in a trade, in a worse case scenario they get wiped.
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On September 02 2012 14:18 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:14 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 14:10 Varpulis wrote:On September 02 2012 14:03 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 14:02 dtz wrote:On September 02 2012 13:58 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:57 morlakaix wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:
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Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game.
Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:
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He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic... Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth. You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament. Ridiculous. A magician never reveals his tricks. Na'Vi has been planning this since Day 1. Dude, you do know that after the prelims were done, Navi and Zenith went bootcamping and they actually shared strategies and stuff. Collaborate to defeat the Chinese so to speak. If they were screwing with everyone, why did they bootcamp with Zenith" I mean Navi has been playing well and Puppey totally outdrafted IG there, but let's not go all conspiracy theories. You think Navi purposely put themselves in the position of almost missing out of the WB? Xboct did not go from a guy who was not able to last hit at the level of top EU carries into a guy who was able to match Burning in fucking farm with AM in two nights of bootcamping with Zenith. let me get this straight: because this is such an important tournament, Na'Vi looked at the format and decided that they wanted to just barely get into the winner's bracket, and played like shit on purpose? I watched most of their prelim games, and their wins were just as sloppy as their losses. Your only "evidence" is that Na'Vi is playing much better now. It's not like some people/teams excel under high pressure and know when to pull out the big guns. Face it: Na'Vi had a rough showing early and now that they've got their shit together they're on a roll. Na'Vi fanboys are having a great day, no need to embellish anything. I have better evidence than that: Puppey trolling his interviews. When asked about why he picked Jugg + Enigma second game, he told the interviewer - cause, you know, it was LULZ to pick a Jugg. Jugg + Enigma is not a strategy you just pull out of a fucking hat. He KNEW what he was doing and Na'Vi 100% practiced this strategy before. Puppey has been trolling the entire tournament with his interview answers about how bad his team is and how underdogs they are. Yet they keep on winning, and when they win, they win spectacularly. These aren't close games. These are stomps. Na'Vi is stomping top Chinese teams. Yeah no one is disputing the fact that Jugg+Enigma is a special strat. And puppey has been trolling interviews since the beginning of time. "we are going to pick mortred. then mortred again.mortred is so good you can pick it twice" Doesn't mean that they threw their prelim games on purpose. lol. They were in good form now, in bad form then. Is that so hard? let's see. oh ZENITH is finally including Loda in their drafting phase. They have been throwing their games and not drafting seriously! Now they are in LB and will mount a great comeback because everyone has written them off!!! You see how dumb that argument is?
Going from bad form to great form in the same tournament is very rare. Look at Zenith. They had an equally bad Day 1, but do you see them owning LGD / iG? No. They had a bad day because they aren't that great.
Na'Vi? The difference between how this team performed on Day 1 and Day 5 is night and day. You believe they managed to do this in two days? Then you are a bigger fanboy than me.
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damn, burning almost got the sk :|
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On September 02 2012 14:17 IshinShishi wrote:
These guys have done this for a long time, ever since they got together in DTS, they do in fact love to fake weakness to get into people's minds(and obviously save their best strats), there's a good chance that they did that during the prelims, but they obviously gave it their all vs IG, maybe just not their best picks in the first game to see if they could win by playing standard.
If they'd wanted to do it during prelims, you'd think they'd have spaced out their losses better instead of losing the vast majority of their games on day 1. I think food poisoning put forth by Puppey makes more sense, and they were genuinely off Day 1 and had to make up the deficit Day 2 and 3.
But it makes sense for games and interviews the few weeks before the International.
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On September 02 2012 14:19 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:17 Oboeman wrote:
there's all this talk about morphlings and naga sirens and anti-mages and stuff.
what's the deal with the lycanthrope that it is one of the first bans every time? is it even more imba? I see morphling all these games, and he seems to be wrecking. The fact other champs are more important to ban first seems crazy to me.
notice how morphling and antimage and sylla are in the lane getting money from creeps, Lycan is a jungler so he gets the money without needing to be in the lane, lycan can also solo roshan very early, and in the mid game he does a tone of damage to towers. Basically it does the stuff carries needs to do without needing to sit in lane
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On September 02 2012 14:19 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:17 Oboeman wrote:
there's all this talk about morphlings and naga sirens and anti-mages and stuff.
what's the deal with the lycanthrope that it is one of the first bans every time? is it even more imba? I see morphling all these games, and he seems to be wrecking. The fact other champs are more important to ban first seems crazy to me.
champs? wtf this isnt lol get your mangix out of here etc
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So Idra EG and Naniwa Complexity are out to all the Korean Chinese teams, and now Stephano Na'vi, the foreigner hope, is doing well against the Koreans Chinese, so now the SC2 Dota2 community is fighting about how good they really are against the Korean Chinese Overlords.
The communities sure are different.
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