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EHOME is just not the same caliber as the teams still in.
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geee geee
enigma got 3 man blackhole but ehome still got teamwiped
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On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:42 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Ramanujan wrote:
Ferrari seems pretty mediocre. Terrible puck and tinker vs navi, and now complete freefarm with brood but still nowhere near the cs top. Finally people observe what Ryze observed in the very first day. 430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players.
Don't be be such a fanboy.
Navi played horribly in the group stages.
Puppey mentioned they weren't concentrating as hard.
Navi just played better than iG when it matters.
That's all.
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godddamn, fucking lanm and kingj out fuck this shit im raging.
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On September 02 2012 13:52 Ramanujan wrote:
Almost never seen Naga winning as 1. Not gonna be an obvious ban for very long. Wouldn't be surprised to see her go through the enitre draft when it's time for the finals.
when paired with a hard carry she is so strong
she just doesnt seem to do well with aoe wombo combo teams
she is such a stronger pusher and has so much potential to ruin teamfights that she has to be 1stban
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On September 02 2012 13:54 acker wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:
It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Agreed. It seems clear that Navi has been throwing games and playing poorly for a while on purpose to throw people off guard.
What you fail to realize is that IG is doing the same thing. Their piss poor play in game 3 was obviously an attempt to hide their strength. It's similar to how Navi threw game 1. It's mind games on a high level.
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And you guys think I'm the one you shouldn't respond to. lol.
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Looks like they groomed James during one of the breaks.
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On September 02 2012 13:55 hyptonic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:52 Ramanujan wrote:
Almost never seen Naga winning as 1. Not gonna be an obvious ban for very long. Wouldn't be surprised to see her go through the enitre draft when it's time for the finals. when paired with a hard carry she is so strong she just doesnt seem to do well with aoe wombo combo teams she is such a stronger pusher and has so much potential to ruin teamfights that she has to be 1stban
Is pretty good in AoE teams as well if you use the naga ult at the start of the fight instead of to escape after your team loses the teamfight.
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On September 02 2012 13:55 hyptonic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:52 Ramanujan wrote:
Almost never seen Naga winning as 1. Not gonna be an obvious ban for very long. Wouldn't be surprised to see her go through the enitre draft when it's time for the finals. when paired with a hard carry she is so strong she just doesnt seem to do well with aoe wombo combo teams she is such a stronger pusher and has so much potential to ruin teamfights that she has to be 1stban
Not a single team except Tongfu in the LB actually performed a decent Naga game the entire tournament.
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On September 02 2012 13:54 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:42 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Ramanujan wrote:
Ferrari seems pretty mediocre. Terrible puck and tinker vs navi, and now complete freefarm with brood but still nowhere near the cs top. Finally people observe what Ryze observed in the very first day. 430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. .......... Do you understand how dumb you sound right now? Sometimes I wish TL didn't choose to cover DotA 2 for this reason. The fanboyism is incredibly stronger in DotA 2 than it is in SC2.
There's theorycrafting... and then there's Azarkoncrafting...
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On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:42 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Ramanujan wrote:
Ferrari seems pretty mediocre. Terrible puck and tinker vs navi, and now complete freefarm with brood but still nowhere near the cs top. Finally people observe what Ryze observed in the very first day. 430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players.
Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic...
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On September 02 2012 13:55 Gallimatias wrote:
What you fail to realize is that IG is doing the same thing. Their piss poor play in game 3 was obviously an attempt to hide their strength. It's similar to how Navi threw game 1. It's mind games on a high level.
I'm pretty sure iG was outpicked game 3, similar to how Navi was outpicked game 1. I can't see any reason why iG should have wanted to drop to the loser's bracket today rather than tomorrow.
Unless this happens to be sarcasm.
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On September 02 2012 13:55 hyptonic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:52 Ramanujan wrote:
Almost never seen Naga winning as 1. Not gonna be an obvious ban for very long. Wouldn't be surprised to see her go through the enitre draft when it's time for the finals. when paired with a hard carry she is so strong she just doesnt seem to do well with aoe wombo combo teams she is such a stronger pusher and has so much potential to ruin teamfights that she has to be 1stban
That's what I said. Never seen her winning as #1, she needs to be #2 behind a harder carry like Morph. The ulti is very overrated anyway.
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On September 02 2012 13:50 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:49 Nilrem wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Agreed, and I think it is quite unfair to suggest that Na'Vis abilities played no role in their winning. The whole, Na'Vi won just because iG messed up, and not because of anything they did, is quite unfair. iG had a stronger line-up on paper and lost, especially with basically perfect initiation. The reason why it failed was because Zhou didn't snare to cancel bhole because he was too busy standing on top of LOH so that he and the rest of his team could get all bholed. Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:50 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. Haha, you think iG was capable of taking a team fight without their wombo combo? Na'Vi was AHEAD by 4k gold 4k experience that fight. They needed the whole wombo combo to hit to win it. This is why you don't just run Enigma Jugg and go LULZ I WIN NAGA. You have to put it in a strategy. What? The combo still would have been fine. All Zhou needed to do was stay out and LOH would have been forced to bhole.
Not quite, it was also the timing of tides ult. The ult went off like .5 of a second too late for catch LoH's before kbk went off. Zhou was on top of him because of the vacuum and trying to use his aoe to splash damage all that were sucked in to down all of them with the rest oft he aoe. Problem is, there was a minute delay so the bkb kicked in before the tides ult.
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On September 02 2012 13:55 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:42 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Ramanujan wrote:
Ferrari seems pretty mediocre. Terrible puck and tinker vs navi, and now complete freefarm with brood but still nowhere near the cs top. Finally people observe what Ryze observed in the very first day. 430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players. Don't be be such a fanboy. Navi played horribly in the group stages. Puppey mentioned they weren't concentrating as hard. Navi just played better than iG when it matters. That's all.
agreed, Na'vi just has a clutch gene, that managed to pull them through today, there is no reason for them to want to risk not getting into the upper bracket. So much of them making it their was out of their control. No one would risk that,
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Damn now everyone considered Ferrari mediocre just because he played badly a few games but his games during the groupstages were phenomenal.
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On September 02 2012 13:55 Gallimatias wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:54 acker wrote:On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:
It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Agreed. It seems clear that Navi has been throwing games and playing poorly for a while on purpose to throw people off guard. What you fail to realize is that IG is doing the same thing. Their piss poor play in game 3 was obviously an attempt to hide their strength. It's similar to how Navi threw game 1. It's mind games on a high level.
that might explain why they picked 0 stun/silence vs 2 blinks. or they are just bad? but anyways lgd wins the whole thing anyways.
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