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On September 02 2012 13:47 Frazzlehoon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:41 Ramanujan wrote:
Ferrari seems pretty mediocre. Terrible puck and tinker vs navi, and now complete freefarm with brood but still nowhere near the cs top. I hope you realize in Dota you always have make some sacrifices. Putting brood in the hard lane vs players that actually get sentries early is quite difficult.
Tell that to lost.
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On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits.
Agreed, and I think it is quite unfair to suggest that Na'Vis abilities played no role in their winning. The whole, Na'Vi won just because iG messed up, and not because of anything they did, is quite unfair.
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Oh, Shotgun almost kills the Storm Spirit!
EHOME defends their rax for now.
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Naga always using her Ult to save herself instead of setting up plays =/
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On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc.
Haha, you think iG was capable of taking a team fight without their wombo combo? Na'Vi was AHEAD by 4k gold 4k experience that fight. They needed the whole wombo combo to hit to win it. This is why you don't just run Enigma Jugg and go LULZ I WIN NAGA. You have to put it in a strategy.
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On September 02 2012 13:49 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Naga always using her Ult to save herself instead of setting up plays =/
She has to set up plays if they are to have any chance of winning this.
Or pray for level 16.
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That's mid rax finally claimed. And iG go for the next Rosh immediately.
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On September 02 2012 13:49 Nilrem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Agreed, and I think it is quite unfair to suggest that Na'Vis abilities played no role in their winning. The whole, Na'Vi won just because iG messed up, and not because of anything they did, is quite unfair.
iG had a stronger line-up on paper and lost, especially with basically perfect initiation. The reason why it failed was because Zhou didn't snare to cancel bhole because he was too busy standing on top of LOH so that he and the rest of his team could get all bholed.
On September 02 2012 13:50 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. Haha, you think iG was capable of taking a team fight without their wombo combo? Na'Vi was AHEAD by 4k gold 4k experience that fight. They needed the whole wombo combo to hit to win it. This is why you don't just run Enigma Jugg and go LULZ I WIN NAGA. You have to put it in a strategy.
What? The combo still would have been fine. All Zhou needed to do was stay out and LOH would have been forced to bhole.
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Naga has been doing nothing for EHOME this game considering the amount of farm she has imo
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On September 02 2012 13:49 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Naga always using her Ult to save herself instead of setting up plays =/
Yeah, she has no choice :-/ If she is down, iG will push without fear of her ult and force a potential bb.
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On September 02 2012 13:49 Nilrem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Agreed, and I think it is quite unfair to suggest that Na'Vis abilities played no role in their winning. The whole, Na'Vi won just because iG messed up, and not because of anything they did, is quite unfair.
not just because iG messed up, iG did mess up the draft, but after that it was na'vi's games to lose (in both games 2 and 3)
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On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:42 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Ramanujan wrote:
Ferrari seems pretty mediocre. Terrible puck and tinker vs navi, and now complete freefarm with brood but still nowhere near the cs top. Finally people observe what Ryze observed in the very first day. 430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on).
It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering.
Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players.
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Almost never seen Naga winning as 1. Not gonna be an obvious ban for very long. Wouldn't be surprised to see her go through the enitre draft when it's time for the finals.
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On September 02 2012 13:49 Nilrem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Agreed, and I think it is quite unfair to suggest that Na'Vis abilities played no role in their winning. The whole, Na'Vi won just because iG messed up, and not because of anything they did, is quite unfair.
Its the chinese fanboys. Its just like in SC2 when a korean got taken down. Excused fly. Enjoy rubbing in the fact that EHOME and iG are fighting to have a chance to lose to Na'Vi again.
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On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:42 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Ramanujan wrote:
Ferrari seems pretty mediocre. Terrible puck and tinker vs navi, and now complete freefarm with brood but still nowhere near the cs top. Finally people observe what Ryze observed in the very first day. 430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering.
Ok, that's stupid.
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Morph with 4k in the bank. Might as well buy out since he has an Aegis? Yup, that's a Skadi coming.
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On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:
It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering.
Agreed. It seems clear that Navi has been throwing games and playing poorly for a while on purpose to throw people off guard.
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I think that ferrari has no place in the mid lane when IG has a player such as Chuan, then again he probably can't play an utility hero decently either.
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On September 02 2012 13:52 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:48 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:44 Kupon3ss wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
Navi ig game 2 was just ig throwing a fight into hg, xiao8 (captain of lgd) also seemed to think so when I asked him Then Xiao8 doesn't know this game well enough to beat Na'Vi. No game 2 was almost 100% ig fucking up and not navi winning, Zhou basically either forgot about or didn't check that enigma had bkb and lost the game deciding fight off what was an almost perfect initation off a genius smoke by ig Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game. Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits. Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc. On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:46 superstartran wrote:On September 02 2012 13:42 Azarkon wrote:On September 02 2012 13:41 Ramanujan wrote:
Ferrari seems pretty mediocre. Terrible puck and tinker vs navi, and now complete freefarm with brood but still nowhere near the cs top. Finally people observe what Ryze observed in the very first day. 430 mediocre. L-O-L. He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos. The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on). It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering. Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players.
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Do you understand how dumb you sound right now? Sometimes I wish TL didn't choose to cover DotA 2 for this reason. The fanboyism is incredibly stronger in DotA 2 than it is in SC2.
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Morph instant shotgun on Chen.
Enigma gets a three man Black Hole but who cares. Too tanky.
Complete team wipe.
iG wins!
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EPT
