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zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
August 28 2012 03:17 GMT
#3521
On August 28 2012 12:13 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 11:54 Azarkon wrote:
I think Na'Vi is going to make it into WB, and that coL is too. Ehome and TF are going to drop the way they're playing today. iG is locked, however, and the final team that's going to advance is Orange.

But there's also the shot that Orange won't advance and one of Ehome / TF is going to advance, instead. Na'Vi vs. TF is going to be critical, and coL vs. Orange too.


Orange has a tiebreaker over Na'vi.


if teams are tied at the end of prelims they will play tiebreaker games

well at least this wording suggests additional games will be played

"If there are ties among teams in the same group, the ties are resolved by tie-breaker games."
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 03:20:26
August 28 2012 03:18 GMT
#3522
TBH being last spot in the Winner's Bracket for either group isn't really much consolation, seeing as having to face iG or LGD as your first match is essentially a one-way trip back to the loser's bracket (as opposed to a loser's bracket match vs. m5, mouz, Darer, or mTw).
Moderator
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
August 28 2012 03:18 GMT
#3523
Complexity bans out tide. World is gonna end
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 28 2012 03:21 GMT
#3524
On August 28 2012 12:18 TheYango wrote:
TBH being last spot in the Winner's Bracket for either group isn't really much consolation, seeing as having to face iG or LGD as your first match is essentially a one-way trip back to the loser's bracket.

But if you're last seed in Winner Bracket, at least you avoid Loser Bracket Round 1 and get to go directly into Loser Bracket Round 2. So that's one less Bo1 to worry about. And if you can win in Loser Bracket Round 2 and make it to Round 3 you guarantee at least top 8.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
August 28 2012 03:23 GMT
#3525
On August 28 2012 12:17 zeehar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:13 superstartran wrote:
On August 28 2012 11:54 Azarkon wrote:
I think Na'Vi is going to make it into WB, and that coL is too. Ehome and TF are going to drop the way they're playing today. iG is locked, however, and the final team that's going to advance is Orange.

But there's also the shot that Orange won't advance and one of Ehome / TF is going to advance, instead. Na'Vi vs. TF is going to be critical, and coL vs. Orange too.


Orange has a tiebreaker over Na'vi.


if teams are tied at the end of prelims they will play tiebreaker games

well at least this wording suggests additional games will be played

"If there are ties among teams in the same group, the ties are resolved by tie-breaker games."

another reason why day3 has so little games.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 28 2012 03:23 GMT
#3526
On August 28 2012 12:21 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:18 TheYango wrote:
TBH being last spot in the Winner's Bracket for either group isn't really much consolation, seeing as having to face iG or LGD as your first match is essentially a one-way trip back to the loser's bracket.

But if you're last seed in Winner Bracket, at least you avoid Loser Bracket Round 1 and get to go directly into Loser Bracket Round 2. So that's one less Bo1 to worry about. And if you can win in Loser Bracket Round 2 and make it to Round 3 you guarantee at least top 8.

So basically it's a question of "Is having to worry about a Bo3 vs IG/LGD worth getting to skip a Bo1 against Darer/Mouz/M5/mTw?"

Not necessarily worth the extra effort.
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 03:24:52
August 28 2012 03:24 GMT
#3527
On August 28 2012 12:18 TheYango wrote:
TBH being last spot in the Winner's Bracket for either group isn't really much consolation, seeing as having to face iG or LGD as your first match is essentially a one-way trip back to the loser's bracket (as opposed to a loser's bracket match vs. m5, mouz, Darer, or mTw).


For teams without special strategies, yes. But for teams of the caliber of coL and Na'Vi, it's an opportunity to knock one of the Chinese giants into the LB with huge plays. iG and LGD are not invincible. They did look behind in several of the games in the group stages, though they managed to come back in each one. But when push comes to shove, you know Na'Vi is going to make the biggest plays in the world.

Tomorrow is the decider. TF triumphing over Na'Vi makes coL the sole team capable of upsetting Asians giants. Na'Vi triumphing over TF shows that they're still in the running for winning TI 2.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 28 2012 03:26 GMT
#3528
On August 28 2012 12:24 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:18 TheYango wrote:
TBH being last spot in the Winner's Bracket for either group isn't really much consolation, seeing as having to face iG or LGD as your first match is essentially a one-way trip back to the loser's bracket (as opposed to a loser's bracket match vs. m5, mouz, Darer, or mTw).


For teams without special strategies, yes. But for teams of the caliber of coL and Na'Vi, it's an opportunity to knock one of the Chinese giants into the LB with huge plays. iG and LGD are not invincible. They did look behind in several of the games in the group stages, though they managed to come back in each one. But when push comes to shove, you know Na'Vi is going to make the biggest plays in the world.

They're Bo3s. In Loser's Bracket games maybe, but the likelihood of those special strategies pulling you through 2 wins in a Bo3 is quite small.

coL pulled out "special strategies" both games against iG in group stage. They got outplayed so hard that it absolutely didn't matter.
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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 28 2012 03:26 GMT
#3529
On August 28 2012 12:23 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:21 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:18 TheYango wrote:
TBH being last spot in the Winner's Bracket for either group isn't really much consolation, seeing as having to face iG or LGD as your first match is essentially a one-way trip back to the loser's bracket.

But if you're last seed in Winner Bracket, at least you avoid Loser Bracket Round 1 and get to go directly into Loser Bracket Round 2. So that's one less Bo1 to worry about. And if you can win in Loser Bracket Round 2 and make it to Round 3 you guarantee at least top 8.

So basically it's a question of "Is having to worry about a Bo3 vs IG/LGD worth getting to skip a Bo1 against Darer/Mouz/M5/mTw?"

Not necessarily worth the extra effort.

If they save their energy against iG/LGD and go in knowing that they will end up in Loser Round 2, skipping the risk of an upset in a Bo1 against Darer/mouz/M5/mTw might perhaps be worth it. Those four teams still have the potential to do damage and anything goes in a Bo1.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 28 2012 03:27 GMT
#3530
On August 28 2012 12:26 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:24 Azarkon wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:18 TheYango wrote:
TBH being last spot in the Winner's Bracket for either group isn't really much consolation, seeing as having to face iG or LGD as your first match is essentially a one-way trip back to the loser's bracket (as opposed to a loser's bracket match vs. m5, mouz, Darer, or mTw).


For teams without special strategies, yes. But for teams of the caliber of coL and Na'Vi, it's an opportunity to knock one of the Chinese giants into the LB with huge plays. iG and LGD are not invincible. They did look behind in several of the games in the group stages, though they managed to come back in each one. But when push comes to shove, you know Na'Vi is going to make the biggest plays in the world.

They're Bo3s. In Loser's Bracket games maybe, but the likelihood of those special strategies pulling you through 2 wins in a Bo3 is quite small.

coL pulled out "special strategies" both games against iG in group stage. They got outplayed so hard that it absolutely didn't matter.


For now, yes. But there's three days between now and the play offs. Teams have time to prepare and analyze their mistakes.

I said before that Na'Vi making it into WB is critical for them having success. I stand by that. The difference between WB and LB is huge for a team of Na'Vi's caliber and style.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 28 2012 03:43 GMT
#3531
Nice to see Tobi acting like he's bigger than the tournament. Shocker.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 28 2012 03:47 GMT
#3532
I hear Bears are good.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 28 2012 03:47 GMT
#3533
coL 2-0 Orange. Barring some throws to Darer tomorrow, they're basically guaranteed 2nd seed.
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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 28 2012 03:47 GMT
#3534
On August 28 2012 12:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Nice to see Tobi acting like he's bigger than the tournament. Shocker.

What did he do? I've been watching Luminous.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
August 28 2012 03:47 GMT
#3535
On August 28 2012 12:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Nice to see Tobi acting like he's bigger than the tournament. Shocker.


What happened?
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 28 2012 03:48 GMT
#3536
On August 28 2012 12:47 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Nice to see Tobi acting like he's bigger than the tournament. Shocker.

What did he do? I've been watching Luminous.


Toby Dawson ‏@TobiWanDOTA

Just to let everyone know we will not be using DOTA TV tomorrow, will cast CLG vs EG and Na'Vi vs Tongfu - thanks for watching today

Toby Dawson ‏@TobiWanDOTA

We are not assigned / not allowed in DOTA TV for these matches, and we strongly disagree with the matches already assigned to us...so DOTATV
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 03:51:11
August 28 2012 03:49 GMT
#3537
On August 28 2012 12:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Nice to see Tobi acting like he's bigger than the tournament. Shocker.


That's weird :S whats up with that 'strongly disagree on assigned matches to them'??

Meanwhile Col owned orange. I have a feeling that the players are very tired by now.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 03:51:11
August 28 2012 03:49 GMT
#3538
On August 28 2012 12:47 TheYango wrote:
coL 2-0 Orange. Barring some throws to Darer tomorrow, they're basically guaranteed 2nd seed.


The only other team that 2-0'd Orange this tournament is iG.

coL... Are they are able to do it? I remember that one of coL's member said that they 30-0 Ehome regularly in scrims and now they've 2-0'd both TF and Orange. They did lose to Ehome one game on LAN - which, to be fair, iG did too - but have gotten better and better each game they play.

Is coL the team that's going to challenge the Chinese for TI 2?
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 03:52:52
August 28 2012 03:50 GMT
#3539
He doesn't agree with the matches he's been asked to cover, so rather than cover those matches, he's going to stream matches that other people are covering, leaving us without English-language commentary for the matches he was asked to do.

Tobi has always been about Tobi first and everyone else second if at all.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
August 28 2012 03:52 GMT
#3540
On August 28 2012 12:48 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:47 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On August 28 2012 12:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Nice to see Tobi acting like he's bigger than the tournament. Shocker.

What did he do? I've been watching Luminous.


Toby Dawson ‏@TobiWanDOTA

Just to let everyone know we will not be using DOTA TV tomorrow, will cast CLG vs EG and Na'Vi vs Tongfu - thanks for watching today

Toby Dawson ‏@TobiWanDOTA

We are not assigned / not allowed in DOTA TV for these matches, and we strongly disagree with the matches already assigned to us...so DOTATV


lol wtf.. "strongly disagree with the matches assigned to us" ??

Tobi and joindota in general are WAYYYYY too obsessed with only european teams it seems. They give so much bias to them. Not saying that there aren't good euro teams, but it gets pretty annoying when JD casting and reporting acts like EU dota is the center of the universe
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