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17067 Posts
On August 28 2012 12:58 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 12:56 Mordiford wrote:
I feel like one of the few people who actually doesn't like Tobi's casting. His personality and histrionics are just additional negatives on top of that. He's actually not that good at it. He has questionable knowledge of the game despite watching so many games.
Definitely this. I have no idea why he's so bad at reading games after casting so many of them. While I appreciate his enthusiasm, it's way over and top and detracts from the actual content. Also (this is one of my personal pet peeves), he refuses to pronounce shukuchi or coup de grâce correctly. He says "shooky" (intentionally. It's fucking retarded) and "coup de gras" (dropping the sibilant).
I'm also going to link this guy's comment on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/ywywy/game_2_of_clg_vs_zenith_is_a_must_watch/c5zsk44
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Damn Tobi, that is some primadonna level stuff right there =/
All the other casters are professional enough to just do their job.
Tobi's reply on the matter:
"Valve and I have a strong disagreement on the way the matches are allocated, there is no communication with the casters over this choices we are just instructed.
I personally know what is a good game to cast, and for alot of them we just went with the schedule...and would you believe it was one sided games, casting the same times over again. This is the reason why tomorrow we are selecting the games that actually have a bearing on the result of the group stage.
Be you pissed off at me for whatever reasons..this situation should never have happened in the first place."
Right Tobi, how dare they put you on less than stellar games! Those should be reserved for those lesser non-JoinDota casters.
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On August 28 2012 13:00 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 12:56 Azarkon wrote:
For sure. But Zenith is also a contender for the title though I think they've sobered up now on being 'the team to beat' at TI 2. There's no doubt that iG and LGD are the teams to beat. Any team going against them will have to bring something special, as both have demonstrated their unwavering consistency and reliability in "standard" games. Unfortunately, having to show your special stuff in the early rounds just for the sake of not getting eliminated is fairly undesirable. Not to mention the possibility of iG and LGD still having their own secret stuff yet to be revealed.
From the way iG and LGD have been playing, does anyone have the capability to eliminate them in a Bo3 before they meet each other in the final round of Winners?
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On August 28 2012 13:00 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 12:58 superstartran wrote:On August 28 2012 12:56 Mordiford wrote:
I feel like one of the few people who actually doesn't like Tobi's casting. His personality and histrionics are just additional negatives on top of that. He's actually not that good at it. He has questionable knowledge of the game despite watching so many games. When i see lumi and tobi casting the same game i will turn off tobi.
I actually said this way back when casters were originally announced(might have been on PlayDota). I like Luminous way better as a caster, sometimes he says slightly inappropriate stuff and sometimes his analogies are goofy but overall he provides incredibly good insight and can raise excitement pretty well.
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On August 28 2012 13:05 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 13:00 BurningSera wrote:On August 28 2012 12:58 superstartran wrote:On August 28 2012 12:56 Mordiford wrote:
I feel like one of the few people who actually doesn't like Tobi's casting. His personality and histrionics are just additional negatives on top of that. He's actually not that good at it. He has questionable knowledge of the game despite watching so many games. When i see lumi and tobi casting the same game i will turn off tobi. I actually said this way back when casters were originally announced(might have been on PlayDota). I like Luminous way better as a caster, sometimes he says slightly inappropriate stuff and sometimes his analogies are goofy but overall he provides incredibly good insight and can raise excitement pretty well.
I haven't been exposed much to Luminous except during the ProDota World Tour. But I've been really enjoying his casting. It's very easy to follow and understand and he makes, what appears to me at least, a lot of correct calls and analysis. I've never felt out of my depth trying to follow his train of thought and insight. I'm very impressed.
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Sanya12364 Posts
What the hell. The International is like the one chance to see Chinese vs Chinese teams go at it live at LAN. How could Tobi miss out on that opportunity!? Now that the Chinese teams are serious about DotA 2, it's just getting good. It'd be like missing out on the Chinese while watching Ping Pong or on the British when watching indoor cycling (no Chris Hoy, Jason Kenny rematch. Damn the olympic committee!)
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On August 28 2012 13:04 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 13:00 TheYango wrote:On August 28 2012 12:56 Azarkon wrote:
For sure. But Zenith is also a contender for the title though I think they've sobered up now on being 'the team to beat' at TI 2. There's no doubt that iG and LGD are the teams to beat. Any team going against them will have to bring something special, as both have demonstrated their unwavering consistency and reliability in "standard" games. Unfortunately, having to show your special stuff in the early rounds just for the sake of not getting eliminated is fairly undesirable. Not to mention the possibility of iG and LGD still having their own secret stuff yet to be revealed. From the way iG and LGD have been playing, does anyone have the capability to eliminate them in a Bo3 before they meet each other in the final round of Winners?
Zenith, Na'Vi, and coL are the only teams that I think have the ability to upset those teams in the WB. The rest have been cowed / intimidated and simply lack the individual skill to compete with the iG and LGD players.
But of course, Na'Vi has to make it into WB, first.
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United States47024 Posts
After seeing Darer play EHOME's Tiny+Wisp strategy against them, I'm really starting to question the wisdom of EHOME showing their prepared strategy so early on, against a team that is at no risk of losing their spot. Indeed, their chances at the Winner's Bracket would me much higher if they'd brought it out against Na'Vi, coL, or Tongfu (making one of those series' a 2-0 rather than a 1-1), rather than taking a meaningless game off of iG. One less team in contention for a Winner's Bracket spot would be very helpful to them.
Maybe I'm just mad that a loss for iG hurts my fantasy team.
On August 28 2012 13:04 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
From the way iG and LGD have been playing, does anyone have the capability to eliminate them in a Bo3 before they meet each other in the final round of Winners?
It's hard to say at this point. It's very unlikely, but I can't say it's impossible given that we can't know how they'll respond to something extremely unexpected.
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On reddit
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To clarify some stuff, as obviously it needs to be done:
valve notifies the streamers of the matches they will cast about 24hrs before the starting time
I lodge my dispute instantly and am told the decisions will not be changed and I am free to stream using DOTA TV or cast the assigned game.
We are not being paid at all for the group stage coverage and are doing it with our own time and resources
Once at the US then they pay and I will go by their ruling
This is not me being immature this is me asking for this stuff to be organised better (the whole professional side you are asking for), to consult the streamers alot more, and for streamers like myself and v1lat that commit alot of time to stream many DOTA2 events we do, yes, expect a certain lvl of game to be cast."
Yep, well he basically said it himself. He feels as if he deserves this or some shit.
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On August 28 2012 13:07 TheYango wrote:After seeing Darer play EHOME's Tiny+Wisp strategy against them, I'm really starting to question the wisdom of EHOME showing their prepared strategy so early on, against a team that is at no risk of losing their spot. Indeed, their chances at the Winner's Bracket would me much higher if they'd brought it out against Na'Vi, coL, or Tongfu (making one of those series' a 2-0 rather than a 1-1), rather than taking a meaningless game off of iG. One less team in contention for a Winner's Bracket spot would be very helpful to them. Maybe I'm just mad that a loss for iG hurts my fantasy team. Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 13:04 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
From the way iG and LGD have been playing, does anyone have the capability to eliminate them in a Bo3 before they meet each other in the final round of Winners? It's hard to say at this point. It's very unlikely, but I can't say it's impossible given that we can't know how they'll respond to something extremely unexpected.
Heh, who do you think Ehome practiced their Tiny+Wisp combo with?
I don't think it was one of the Chinese teams.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Hmm, there are some nice last day matchups. A triplet of 6-6 teams going against each other - assuming iG rolls through TF. Lot's of tension in the last few prelim matches!
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United States47024 Posts
On August 28 2012 13:12 TanGeng wrote:
Hmm, there are some nice last day matchups. A triplet of 6-6 teams going against each other - assuming iG rolls through TF. Lot's of tension in the last few prelim matches!
iG/TF was already played. The site just hasn't been updated. It was a very convincing 2-0 for iG.
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On August 28 2012 13:07 TanGeng wrote:
What the hell. The International is like the one chance to see Chinese vs Chinese teams go at it live at LAN. How could Tobi miss out on that opportunity!? Now that the Chinese teams are serious about DotA 2, it's just getting good. It'd be like missing out on the Chinese while watching Ping Pong or on the British when watching indoor cycling (no Chris Hoy, Jason Kenny rematch. Damn the olympic committee!)
He's too busy obsessing over his European teams like Na'Vi and CLG. Don't mean to be rude to the Euro teams but, Tobi really really overvalues them compared to the rest of the world.
Which is disappointing considering in an interview a couple weeks ago he said then that he wants JoinDota to be "like TL for Dota". Well sorry, you can't do that when you have a pretty clear bias towards only one regional scene and flat out refuse to cast games that don't involve teams from that region.
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what happened was that tongfu GG'd, but iG left first, which scored the game as a win for tongfu and messed up the automatic system
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Sanya12364 Posts
On August 28 2012 13:12 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 13:12 TanGeng wrote:
Hmm, there are some nice last day matchups. A triplet of 6-6 teams going against each other - assuming iG rolls through TF. Lot's of tension in the last few prelim matches! iG/TF was already played. The site just hasn't been updated. It was a very convincing 2-0 for iG.
Damn. Thanks for the update. I watched the russian stream for the first match. Didn't see it go live for the second game.
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On August 28 2012 13:07 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 13:04 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On August 28 2012 13:00 TheYango wrote:On August 28 2012 12:56 Azarkon wrote:
For sure. But Zenith is also a contender for the title though I think they've sobered up now on being 'the team to beat' at TI 2. There's no doubt that iG and LGD are the teams to beat. Any team going against them will have to bring something special, as both have demonstrated their unwavering consistency and reliability in "standard" games. Unfortunately, having to show your special stuff in the early rounds just for the sake of not getting eliminated is fairly undesirable. Not to mention the possibility of iG and LGD still having their own secret stuff yet to be revealed. From the way iG and LGD have been playing, does anyone have the capability to eliminate them in a Bo3 before they meet each other in the final round of Winners? Zenith, Na'Vi, and coL are the only teams that I think have the ability to upset those teams in the WB. The rest have been cowed / intimidated and simply lack the individual skill to compete with the iG and LGD players. But of course, Na'Vi has to make it into WB, first.
Hm. I guess. Zenith and coL seem to be locked for Winner Bracket so it makes sense. Any particular reason why they have more chance than say the other Chinese teams such as TongFu or EHOME? Is it because iG/LGD know the Chinese teams better? I would think that thanks to training they would have a good grasp and understanding of the foreigners though.
On August 28 2012 13:07 TheYango wrote:After seeing Darer play EHOME's Tiny+Wisp strategy against them, I'm really starting to question the wisdom of EHOME showing their prepared strategy so early on, against a team that is at no risk of losing their spot. Indeed, their chances at the Winner's Bracket would me much higher if they'd brought it out against Na'Vi, coL, or Tongfu (making one of those series' a 2-0 rather than a 1-1), rather than taking a meaningless game off of iG. One less team in contention for a Winner's Bracket spot would be very helpful to them. Maybe I'm just mad that a loss for iG hurts my fantasy team. Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 13:04 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
From the way iG and LGD have been playing, does anyone have the capability to eliminate them in a Bo3 before they meet each other in the final round of Winners? It's hard to say at this point. It's very unlikely, but I can't say it's impossible given that we can't know how they'll respond to something extremely unexpected.
Do teams in DotA reveal strategies to try and psyche other teams? Like, they use a one-off thing to force respect bans or throw off the picking phase when they have no intention to do it again?
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On August 28 2012 13:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On reddit
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To clarify some stuff, as obviously it needs to be done:
valve notifies the streamers of the matches they will cast about 24hrs before the starting time
I lodge my dispute instantly and am told the decisions will not be changed and I am free to stream using DOTA TV or cast the assigned game.
We are not being paid at all for the group stage coverage and are doing it with our own time and resources
Once at the US then they pay and I will go by their ruling
This is not me being immature this is me asking for this stuff to be organised better (the whole professional side you are asking for), to consult the streamers alot more, and for streamers like myself and v1lat that commit alot of time to stream many DOTA2 events we do, yes, expect a certain lvl of game to be cast."
Yep, well he basically said it himself. He feels as if he deserves this or some shit.
Fuck Tobi. He built himself into the preeminent Dota streamer by screwing everyone else over at every possible opportunity.
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Lumi and LD have been my favorite casters and casting duo ever since I discovered them. I used to watch strictly Tobi when I first got into Dota 2, but even after a few months Tobi without Synderen or a very knowledgeable co-caster was unbearable.
I appreciate his enthusiasm, but that's really all he offers, and the drama he provides is rapidly making me lose respect for him. I'm starting to think I'll be avoiding JoinDota completely very soon, especially regarding the way they've been handling the whole Sayuri/Child's Play incident as well as this stuff with Tobi.
On the subject of Lumi and LD, their insight is always great and they have great synergy as I know they've been friends for a long time. Also, I find their jokes and analogies always funny mainly because they're never forced and are comfortable making even corny jokes.
At the very least, TI2 will expand people's notice of other casters who really enjoy what they do and want to make esports and Dota 2 even bigger.
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On August 28 2012 13:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On reddit
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To clarify some stuff, as obviously it needs to be done:
valve notifies the streamers of the matches they will cast about 24hrs before the starting time
I lodge my dispute instantly and am told the decisions will not be changed and I am free to stream using DOTA TV or cast the assigned game.
We are not being paid at all for the group stage coverage and are doing it with our own time and resources
Once at the US then they pay and I will go by their ruling
This is not me being immature this is me asking for this stuff to be organised better (the whole professional side you are asking for), to consult the streamers alot more, and for streamers like myself and v1lat that commit alot of time to stream many DOTA2 events we do, yes, expect a certain lvl of game to be cast."
Yep, well he basically said it himself. He feels as if he deserves this or some shit.
Wow not sure if I was the boss (Valve) and how would i react after reading that BS from my employee. Is not that like he is not making any money from casting the game and he has been doing all the casting unpaid by valve anyway D:
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
On August 28 2012 13:04 Alur wrote:
Damn Tobi, that is some primadonna level stuff right there =/
All the other casters are professional enough to just do their job.
Tobi's reply on the matter:
"Valve and I have a strong disagreement on the way the matches are allocated, there is no communication with the casters over this choices we are just instructed.
I personally know what is a good game to cast, and for alot of them we just went with the schedule...and would you believe it was one sided games, casting the same times over again. This is the reason why tomorrow we are selecting the games that actually have a bearing on the result of the group stage.
Be you pissed off at me for whatever reasons..this situation should never have happened in the first place."
Right Tobi, how dare they put you on less than stellar games! Those should be reserved for those lesser non-JoinDota casters.
He should get fucking fired, that's what should happen... "disagreements"?! Isn't Valve his goddamn employer after all? How does he even dare say that, holy shit.
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