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NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 20:44:57
August 27 2012 20:44 GMT
#2981
This OST music is going to make me cry for Na'Vi
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
August 27 2012 20:44 GMT
#2982
On August 28 2012 05:40 IshinShishi wrote:
I feel sad for ZSMJ, he should be at TI2 with LGD kicking ass.

Ehome actually did invite him when they reformed but he refused
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 27 2012 20:44 GMT
#2983
Dendi was the only player who was playing well on Na'Vi, him getting demolished mid -> Na'Vi has no hope.
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
August 27 2012 20:45 GMT
#2984
On August 28 2012 05:43 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 05:41 superstartran wrote:
On August 28 2012 05:38 Jakkerr wrote:
Ugh Na'vi what's wrong with you guys this tournament
If only they would have practiced as hard as the other teams.



As many of stated various times, Na'vi had a big advantage going into the first TI. The 2nd TI, even at their best form they would have a tough time here, as everyone is just simply better, and they've prepared more (along with the fact that the meta doesn't favor the heavy aggressive style of Na'vi as we've seen; most of the successful teams have been playing a methodical slow push style that relies on good teamfights).


Not to mention, I said it before. The Asian scene is just on a whole different level.


Im curious what kind of advantage did they have? Was it just the Chinese didn't take it seriously?


Yup..Plus Complaceny from European Teams after Winning against Chinese Teams online with Tons of LAG....You can see how much of a better teamfight they have now when they are playing in a lag free environment
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
August 27 2012 20:45 GMT
#2985
On August 28 2012 05:43 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 05:41 superstartran wrote:
On August 28 2012 05:38 Jakkerr wrote:
Ugh Na'vi what's wrong with you guys this tournament
If only they would have practiced as hard as the other teams.



As many of stated various times, Na'vi had a big advantage going into the first TI. The 2nd TI, even at their best form they would have a tough time here, as everyone is just simply better, and they've prepared more (along with the fact that the meta doesn't favor the heavy aggressive style of Na'vi as we've seen; most of the successful teams have been playing a methodical slow push style that relies on good teamfights).


Not to mention, I said it before. The Asian scene is just on a whole different level.


Im curious what kind of advantage did they have? Was it just the Chinese didn't take it seriously?


I think the Chinese were still playing DotA while the western teams switched over to Dota 2. A lot of the heroes they would normally pick were not in the hero pool for TI 1 but most of them have been added for this year.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
August 27 2012 20:45 GMT
#2986
kotl too good.
Dear Sixsmith...
Loire
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore1358 Posts
August 27 2012 20:46 GMT
#2987
this kotl............. BOOM
Evermourn
Profile Joined August 2011
227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 20:47:09
August 27 2012 20:46 GMT
#2988
nevermind, stupid post.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 27 2012 20:46 GMT
#2989
man... only if Zenith pick enigma but ban it, they would have got a FUNDAMENTALS team... so cool
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 20:49:49
August 27 2012 20:47 GMT
#2990
On August 28 2012 05:43 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 05:41 superstartran wrote:
On August 28 2012 05:38 Jakkerr wrote:
Ugh Na'vi what's wrong with you guys this tournament
If only they would have practiced as hard as the other teams.



As many of stated various times, Na'vi had a big advantage going into the first TI. The 2nd TI, even at their best form they would have a tough time here, as everyone is just simply better, and they've prepared more (along with the fact that the meta doesn't favor the heavy aggressive style of Na'vi as we've seen; most of the successful teams have been playing a methodical slow push style that relies on good teamfights).


Not to mention, I said it before. The Asian scene is just on a whole different level.


Im curious what kind of advantage did they have? Was it just the Chinese didn't take it seriously?



There was alot of shuffling of players around teams right before the International, and DK/LGD didn't even show up (passport issues due to last minute notice). Apparently the Chinese players didn't even know the prize pool was that big, and the metagame was heavily favoring EU style of play. The EU players not only got the game before the Chinese/Asian players, Na'vi in particular had a more stable team overall than anyone else that showed up. People wanted to call it excuses, but it's pretty much the flat out truth. Now that the Chinese have had proper time to adapt and prepare for DotA 2, we can pretty much see that the Chinese (along with the Asian teams like Orange and to a lesser degree Zenith) are flat out on a totally different level, especially LGD and iG.

Also, there was a bunch of arrogant talk from alot of the EU players in a couple of interviews if you didn't notice, and apparently it seems they got abit complacent thinking that just because they could beat the Chinese players online (they have god awful internet when connecting to the outside world; most of the time they lost online competitions in DotA 1) they could also do it pretty easily on LAN. As evidenced to the first two days so far, it's pretty apparent that when the Chinese/Asian players aren't playing at a massive ping disadvantage, they are definitely a few levels above a large majority of the EU/NA teams.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 27 2012 20:47 GMT
#2991
And then lgd drops to loserbracket and cleans the rest of europa
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
August 27 2012 20:48 GMT
#2992
no dk

no
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 20:50:39
August 27 2012 20:48 GMT
#2993
On August 28 2012 05:43 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 05:41 superstartran wrote:
On August 28 2012 05:38 Jakkerr wrote:
Ugh Na'vi what's wrong with you guys this tournament
If only they would have practiced as hard as the other teams.



As many of stated various times, Na'vi had a big advantage going into the first TI. The 2nd TI, even at their best form they would have a tough time here, as everyone is just simply better, and they've prepared more (along with the fact that the meta doesn't favor the heavy aggressive style of Na'vi as we've seen; most of the successful teams have been playing a methodical slow push style that relies on good teamfights).


Not to mention, I said it before. The Asian scene is just on a whole different level.


Im curious what kind of advantage did they have? Was it just the Chinese didn't take it seriously?


I think something like
- Chinese had dota 1 pro tournaments to prepare for. Western dota was dead so they can be all in on dota 2
- Beta keys arrived very late for the Chinese. Latency problems as well. The Chinese arrived having not played much dota 2 at well
- They were not informed of the prize money or they thought the 1 million prize was a scam or something.
- Some shake up by IG current billionaire owner whose 6 million dollar investment led to a lot of instability and roster changes
- Late invites meant a lot of visa problems
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 20:49:15
August 27 2012 20:49 GMT
#2994
FUCK NO NOT THIS SONG.

KANADE, WHY DID YOU HAVE TO DISSAPEAR ON OTONASHI LIKE THAT?
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 27 2012 20:49 GMT
#2995
On August 28 2012 05:46 NB wrote:
man... only if Zenith pick enigma but ban it, they would have got a FUNDAMENTALS team... so cool


If only meepo was added before TI2....!
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
August 27 2012 20:49 GMT
#2996
On August 28 2012 05:49 NexUmbra wrote:
FUCK NO NOT THIS SONG.

KANADE, WHY DID YOU HAVE TO DISSAPEAR ON OTONASHI LIKE THAT?


OMG SPOIL!
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Loire
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore1358 Posts
August 27 2012 20:49 GMT
#2997
On August 28 2012 05:49 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 05:46 NB wrote:
man... only if Zenith pick enigma but ban it, they would have got a FUNDAMENTALS team... so cool


If only meepo was added before TI2....!


would be nice to see iceiceice on meepo!
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 27 2012 20:50 GMT
#2998
On August 28 2012 05:49 NexUmbra wrote:
FUCK NO NOT THIS SONG.

KANADE, WHY DID YOU HAVE TO DISSAPEAR ON OTONASHI LIKE THAT?

yup... dont watch that anime or you gona fucking kill yourself.... especially if you love navi.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
August 27 2012 20:50 GMT
#2999
AL is..... underestimated.
Dear Sixsmith...
Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
August 27 2012 20:50 GMT
#3000
On August 28 2012 05:41 pyro19 wrote:
I'm kinda getting bored now....Stomps are no fun to watch.
When are the playoffs?


Dont watch LGD, iG games. So far Zenith CLG were pretty close games. Game 2 of Orange Navi was quite close as well (at least towards the end).
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