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On March 24 2013 05:42 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 05:40 the`postman wrote:
I don't understand the extreme lack of flexibility from GDStudio, so if their game finished 3 minutes earlier we get a series out of it, and now we get nothing? Just seems sloppy, especially since we knew fnatic's game was about to end. They called it literally one minute before the GG's went out. Seems sloppy? It's the opposite of sloppy. They have to make sure rules are enforced, the GD studio seeks professionalism, making exceptions and slacking on rules is not professional. The "blame" is on fnatic entirely. Not on the GD studio not being flexible. Fnatic accepted the rules and said yes to being in both tournaments. Dota needs more organizers like the GD studio, i don't like not seeing this game, but i really like them maintaining the rules and not making exceptions.
Who are you running the tournament for? The viewers or the teams? Because this decision does nothing but hurt the viewers.
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On March 24 2013 05:44 the`postman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 05:42 Unleashing wrote:On March 24 2013 05:40 the`postman wrote:
I don't understand the extreme lack of flexibility from GDStudio, so if their game finished 3 minutes earlier we get a series out of it, and now we get nothing? Just seems sloppy, especially since we knew fnatic's game was about to end. They called it literally one minute before the GG's went out. Seems sloppy? It's the opposite of sloppy. They have to make sure rules are enforced, the GD studio seeks professionalism, making exceptions and slacking on rules is not professional. The "blame" is on fnatic entirely. Not on the GD studio not being flexible. Fnatic accepted the rules and said yes to being in both tournaments. Dota needs more organizers like the GD studio, i don't like not seeing this game, but i really like them maintaining the rules and not making exceptions. Who are you running the tournament for? The viewers or the teams? Because this decision does nothing but hurt the viewers.
Continuing to delay games because of teams hurts the viewers more in the long run. If admins do nothing to punish teams, this will continue to happen. Someone has to put their foot down.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Now, I understand that the proteams will never learn and will keep being awful at showing up to matches and at keeping in time if tournament admins keep giving them leeways without punishments, it's a good message to send and I'm glad you guys manned up.
But surely, there's a compromise that can be made so that we actually get to see some games. (and you get to show people some adds to make money and give exposure to your sponsors) You could for example give Fnatic just a game loss walkover, instead of an entire match.... The same thing you could've done with VP -> reschedule and give Liquid a 1-0 advantage. There's been 5 matches played and 2 walkovers so far, that's pretty lame.
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On March 24 2013 05:38 Derity wrote:
fucking bullshit
tr doesnt tap out and just prolongs the game... and now fnatic has a defloss ...
it was fnatic`s choice to join both tournaments and they fucked this up on their own. their teamorga needs to be slapped, for either not checking for schedule conflicts or simply not caring about it.
Situations like this hurt the teams, the fans, the league/tournament AND the sponsors. Sometimes I wish we had a general rule-set and teams/players would be punished in a harsher way.
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On March 24 2013 05:44 the`postman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 05:42 Unleashing wrote:On March 24 2013 05:40 the`postman wrote:
I don't understand the extreme lack of flexibility from GDStudio, so if their game finished 3 minutes earlier we get a series out of it, and now we get nothing? Just seems sloppy, especially since we knew fnatic's game was about to end. They called it literally one minute before the GG's went out. Seems sloppy? It's the opposite of sloppy. They have to make sure rules are enforced, the GD studio seeks professionalism, making exceptions and slacking on rules is not professional. The "blame" is on fnatic entirely. Not on the GD studio not being flexible. Fnatic accepted the rules and said yes to being in both tournaments. Dota needs more organizers like the GD studio, i don't like not seeing this game, but i really like them maintaining the rules and not making exceptions. Who are you running the tournament for? The viewers or the teams? Because this decision does nothing but hurt the viewers.
You should blame Fnatic for that, mate.
They are the ones that disrespected the audience, not Dignitas, not GDStudio.
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On March 24 2013 05:42 SFC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 05:40 the`postman wrote:
I don't understand the extreme lack of flexibility from GDStudio, so if their game finished 3 minutes earlier we get a series out of it, and now we get nothing? Just seems sloppy, especially since we knew fnatic's game was about to end. They called it literally one minute before the GG's went out. Fnatic's game was about 40min and they were 30min late. So they started another match what, like 20 minutes before they had another match to play? That is just bad time management.
It's not like they were playing in a pub game, they were in the final match of a tournament that started five hours ago and was heavily delayed.
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On March 24 2013 05:44 the`postman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 05:42 Unleashing wrote:On March 24 2013 05:40 the`postman wrote:
I don't understand the extreme lack of flexibility from GDStudio, so if their game finished 3 minutes earlier we get a series out of it, and now we get nothing? Just seems sloppy, especially since we knew fnatic's game was about to end. They called it literally one minute before the GG's went out. Seems sloppy? It's the opposite of sloppy. They have to make sure rules are enforced, the GD studio seeks professionalism, making exceptions and slacking on rules is not professional. The "blame" is on fnatic entirely. Not on the GD studio not being flexible. Fnatic accepted the rules and said yes to being in both tournaments. Dota needs more organizers like the GD studio, i don't like not seeing this game, but i really like them maintaining the rules and not making exceptions. Who are you running the tournament for? The viewers or the teams? Because this decision does nothing but hurt the viewers.
You are running the tournaments to get viewers and create publicity. But that doesn't change that the GD studio seeks proffesionalism. Being late isn't being professional, you don't show up late for your job either and just expect to not be punished.
Fnatic accepted the rules, they knew exactly what the rules were and they broke them. Fnatic are the ones to blame.
The GD studio isn't just some skype call, they are HIRED and it is their job, when the teams delay this means they have to WORK MORE. How would you feel if you had to wait for others making your work days longer? Every single day? And if you punished them for doing this people called you sloppy and not flexible? I know that i'd be pissed as fuck if someone made me work more than i had to because they had poor time management.
On March 24 2013 05:45 cecek wrote:
Now, I understand that the proteams will never learn and will keep being awful at showing up to matches and at keeping in time if tournament admins keep giving them leeways without punishments, it's a good message to send and I'm glad you guys manned up.
But surely, there's a compromise that can be made so that we actually get to see some games. (and you get to show people some adds to make money and give exposure to your sponsors) You could for example give Fnatic just a game loss walkover, instead of an entire match.... The same thing you could've done with VP -> reschedule and give Liquid a 1-0 advantage. There's been 5 matches played and 2 walkovers so far, that's pretty lame.
Fnatic DID get one loss, but then they were 30 minutes late.
One loss is 15 minutes late, def loss is 30 minutes late.
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On March 24 2013 05:46 the`postman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 05:42 SFC wrote:On March 24 2013 05:40 the`postman wrote:
I don't understand the extreme lack of flexibility from GDStudio, so if their game finished 3 minutes earlier we get a series out of it, and now we get nothing? Just seems sloppy, especially since we knew fnatic's game was about to end. They called it literally one minute before the GG's went out. Fnatic's game was about 40min and they were 30min late. So they started another match what, like 20 minutes before they had another match to play? That is just bad time management. It's not like they were playing in a pub game, they were in the final match of a tournament that started five hours ago and was heavily delayed.
The point is, you can't commit to two matches that are running at the same time. It sucks for everyone, but teams need to start planning better.
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On March 24 2013 05:45 SFC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 05:44 the`postman wrote:On March 24 2013 05:42 Unleashing wrote:On March 24 2013 05:40 the`postman wrote:
I don't understand the extreme lack of flexibility from GDStudio, so if their game finished 3 minutes earlier we get a series out of it, and now we get nothing? Just seems sloppy, especially since we knew fnatic's game was about to end. They called it literally one minute before the GG's went out. Seems sloppy? It's the opposite of sloppy. They have to make sure rules are enforced, the GD studio seeks professionalism, making exceptions and slacking on rules is not professional. The "blame" is on fnatic entirely. Not on the GD studio not being flexible. Fnatic accepted the rules and said yes to being in both tournaments. Dota needs more organizers like the GD studio, i don't like not seeing this game, but i really like them maintaining the rules and not making exceptions. Who are you running the tournament for? The viewers or the teams? Because this decision does nothing but hurt the viewers. Continuing to delay games because of teams hurts the viewers more in the long run. If admins do nothing to punish teams, this will continue to happen. Someone has to put their foot down.
Then put your foot down in a way that doesn't entirely screw over the viewers. There are plenty of ways to punish the team without canceling the entire series due to two minutes of delay.
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Canada1637 Posts
On March 24 2013 05:40 the`postman wrote:
I don't understand the extreme lack of flexibility from GDStudio, so if their game finished 3 minutes earlier we get a series out of it, and now we get nothing? Just seems sloppy, especially since we knew fnatic's game was about to end. They called it literally one minute before the GG's went out.
We've been really flexible, but when it comes down to a schedule that is set, people need to be accountable. Giving FF sucks badly for us, costs us money, wastes our time, decreases interest in the tournament and all around blows, but when Dignitas requests the FF win, we will enforce the rules.
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On March 24 2013 05:48 the`postman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 05:45 SFC wrote:On March 24 2013 05:44 the`postman wrote:On March 24 2013 05:42 Unleashing wrote:On March 24 2013 05:40 the`postman wrote:
I don't understand the extreme lack of flexibility from GDStudio, so if their game finished 3 minutes earlier we get a series out of it, and now we get nothing? Just seems sloppy, especially since we knew fnatic's game was about to end. They called it literally one minute before the GG's went out. Seems sloppy? It's the opposite of sloppy. They have to make sure rules are enforced, the GD studio seeks professionalism, making exceptions and slacking on rules is not professional. The "blame" is on fnatic entirely. Not on the GD studio not being flexible. Fnatic accepted the rules and said yes to being in both tournaments. Dota needs more organizers like the GD studio, i don't like not seeing this game, but i really like them maintaining the rules and not making exceptions. Who are you running the tournament for? The viewers or the teams? Because this decision does nothing but hurt the viewers. Continuing to delay games because of teams hurts the viewers more in the long run. If admins do nothing to punish teams, this will continue to happen. Someone has to put their foot down. Then put your foot down in a way that doesn't entirely screw over the viewers. There are plenty of ways to punish the team without canceling the entire series due to two minutes of delay.
I love how you keep trying to put the blame on the studio when fnatic accepted the rules and are the ones who are in the wrong here.
RULES WERE PUT UP.
FNATIC ACCEPTED THEM.
FNATIC BROKE THEM.
IT'S NOW THE STUDIOS FAULT.
Flawless logic.
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in b4 dignitas hate
User was warned for this post
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better scheduling could've solved all of this, really.
neither the GD Studio nor WePlay nor fnatic themselves can really be blamed; in the end they're just doing their jobs.
Manager for fnatic should've anticipated the possibility of long games and scheduled their games farther apart. Either that or be prepared to accept walkovers.
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
Well Fnatic had to win the weplay match, they don't have to win the DH group stage match.
I can respect the studio's decision, but at the end of the day the show is for the viewers and I don't think their tournament is really big enough to demand the kind of respect that would ensure no teams would show up 30 minutes late. It's a bo3, I'd think they would be able to give Dignitas 1 game and in turn wait the duration of 1 game to play the second. And a game including a draft is not 30 minutes. Which would mean the entire series would still take the team and the studio the same amount of time.
But it's up to them, nothing wrong with following your own rules, but for the best tournament I'd think they should have made those rules a bit more flexible or lenient. Especially for ticket buyers not getting any matches kind of sucks.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Man this is so goddamn gay T_T lol
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On March 24 2013 05:48 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 05:40 the`postman wrote:
I don't understand the extreme lack of flexibility from GDStudio, so if their game finished 3 minutes earlier we get a series out of it, and now we get nothing? Just seems sloppy, especially since we knew fnatic's game was about to end. They called it literally one minute before the GG's went out. We've been really flexible, but when it comes down to a schedule that is set, people need to be accountable. Giving FF sucks badly for us, costs us money, wastes our time, decreases interest in the tournament and all around blows, but when Dignitas requests the FF win, we will enforce the rules.
ye, i can understand that,
was just randomly raging about missing a potential good game...
and dignitas profits greatly from it for not playing at all...
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On March 24 2013 05:49 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 05:48 the`postman wrote:On March 24 2013 05:45 SFC wrote:On March 24 2013 05:44 the`postman wrote:On March 24 2013 05:42 Unleashing wrote:On March 24 2013 05:40 the`postman wrote:
I don't understand the extreme lack of flexibility from GDStudio, so if their game finished 3 minutes earlier we get a series out of it, and now we get nothing? Just seems sloppy, especially since we knew fnatic's game was about to end. They called it literally one minute before the GG's went out. Seems sloppy? It's the opposite of sloppy. They have to make sure rules are enforced, the GD studio seeks professionalism, making exceptions and slacking on rules is not professional. The "blame" is on fnatic entirely. Not on the GD studio not being flexible. Fnatic accepted the rules and said yes to being in both tournaments. Dota needs more organizers like the GD studio, i don't like not seeing this game, but i really like them maintaining the rules and not making exceptions. Who are you running the tournament for? The viewers or the teams? Because this decision does nothing but hurt the viewers. Continuing to delay games because of teams hurts the viewers more in the long run. If admins do nothing to punish teams, this will continue to happen. Someone has to put their foot down. Then put your foot down in a way that doesn't entirely screw over the viewers. There are plenty of ways to punish the team without canceling the entire series due to two minutes of delay. I love how you keep trying to put the blame on the studio when fnatic accepted the rules and are the ones who are in the wrong here. RULES WERE PUT UP. FNATIC ACCEPTED THEM. FNATIC BROKE THEM. IT'S NOW THE STUDIOS FAULT. Flawless logic.
And the rule is bad, and should be open to more flexibility at the discretion of the tournament admin.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
On March 24 2013 05:47 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 05:45 cecek wrote:
Now, I understand that the proteams will never learn and will keep being awful at showing up to matches and at keeping in time if tournament admins keep giving them leeways without punishments, it's a good message to send and I'm glad you guys manned up.
But surely, there's a compromise that can be made so that we actually get to see some games. (and you get to show people some adds to make money and give exposure to your sponsors) You could for example give Fnatic just a game loss walkover, instead of an entire match.... The same thing you could've done with VP -> reschedule and give Liquid a 1-0 advantage. There's been 5 matches played and 2 walkovers so far, that's pretty lame. Fnatic DID get one loss, but then they were 30 minutes late. One loss is 15 minutes late, def loss is 30 minutes late.
Oh... Well, that's unfortunate. I dunno, I feel like in a game like DotA where a bo3 can take anywhere from 40 minutes to four hours, you might consider being a bit more flexible. 15/30 minutes seems pretty tight, especially considering how tight the schedules for pro teams must be with that many online tournaments running around. And I don't mean to be rude, but there are plenty of other tournaments that teams will give priority over DreamHack invitational right now, the prizepool here is on the shorter end, considering the teams attending. If worse comes to worse, such strict admining might even backfire and teams might not want to participate in future tournaments run by The GD studio.
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On March 24 2013 05:58 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 05:47 Unleashing wrote:On March 24 2013 05:45 cecek wrote:
Now, I understand that the proteams will never learn and will keep being awful at showing up to matches and at keeping in time if tournament admins keep giving them leeways without punishments, it's a good message to send and I'm glad you guys manned up.
But surely, there's a compromise that can be made so that we actually get to see some games. (and you get to show people some adds to make money and give exposure to your sponsors) You could for example give Fnatic just a game loss walkover, instead of an entire match.... The same thing you could've done with VP -> reschedule and give Liquid a 1-0 advantage. There's been 5 matches played and 2 walkovers so far, that's pretty lame. Fnatic DID get one loss, but then they were 30 minutes late. One loss is 15 minutes late, def loss is 30 minutes late. Oh... Well, that's unfortunate. I dunno, I feel like in a game like DotA where a bo3 can take anywhere from 40 minutes to four hours, you might consider being a bit more flexible. 15/30 minutes seems pretty tight, especially considering how tight the schedules for pro teams must be with that many online tournaments running around. And I don't mean to be rude, but there are plenty of other tournaments that teams will give priority over DreamHack invitational right now, the prizepool here is on the shorter end, considering the teams attending. If worse comes to worse, such strict admining might even backfire and teams might not want to participate in future tournaments run by The GD studio.
To be fair, prize pool per game is quite good. Like, Liquid is guaranteed 1k from just winning three matches.
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well, maybe change the rules a bit. 30 minutes 1 map.
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