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On August 09 2013 10:39 ImmortalTofu wrote:
sry, league player. Unless a team was super behind, they would never give up a "baron" (Similar to roshan), for free like that. Why would DK not try to contest that, especially given their teamfight potential that I've seen up til now?
baron procs a debuff that makes you take more magic damage and also still inevitably does a lot of damage (even when everyone is lvl 18), so it's a lot easier for an enemy team to contest a baron since they have an advantage going into a fight like that.
roshan dies in like 3 seconds at that point and since they can't have vision inside the rosh pit and they were getting dewarded so hard, it's really hard to know exactly when they should move out because 1) they could get ambushed along the way and 2) if they accidentally contest it a second too late then theyre fighting a team that has their carry with aegis + cheese (not to mention moving into a small space vs a team with refresher enigma is asking for trouble). the far safer play is to just win by having a more controlled teamfight at their high ground.
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On August 09 2013 10:43 rshawer wrote:
So, when is this game ending?
Soon... IG are letting spectre free-farm too much + empower gg.
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What does the Baron buff do ?
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Burning was also too close to relic to fight that. he had 3500~ gold stocked up at that point, which is not invested into any items to help fight. Add that together with no rp and no haunt, it's much safer to just farm up the relic and let them have the rosh. Relic is arguably more important at this stage than that aegis anyways
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gold graph is only in IG favor because of the massive tower lead, expect this to change heavily soon
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23min radiance vit drums phase with just 1 tower kill ooooookay
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On August 09 2013 10:43 rshawer wrote:
So, when is this game ending?
Sunday. 
For real, this is not going late, I think DK is far better late, not like last time when it was more "even".
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On August 09 2013 10:43 MrCon wrote:
What does the Baron buff do ?
I think it something around 40AD/AP and mana/health regen.
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On August 09 2013 10:43 MrCon wrote:
What does the Baron buff do ?
It's a bunch of stats for everyone that was alive when it was killed. Believe it's AP,MR,ARMOUR,HP REGEN,AD something like that at least.
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On August 09 2013 10:43 MrCon wrote:
What does the Baron buff do ?
increased damage, armor/mr, health + mp regen so generally its used to take a high ground tower because the team with baron can siege and regen any harass taken quickly
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On August 09 2013 10:39 ImmortalTofu wrote:
sry, league player. Unless a team was super behind, they would never give up a "baron" (Similar to roshan), for free like that. Why would DK not try to contest that, especially given their teamfight potential that I've seen up til now?
Roshan is arguably a lot less influential then baron.
Baron gives a huge damage and regen boost to the entire team, and combining that with how much damage all heroes on a LoL team tend to do, (mid top ad and often jungle generally have relatively high damage potential) it can often let you win fights you really shouldn't have.
Compare that to dota, where all you get is a single use guardian angel (with a 5s delay on the respawn) and while it can be big, often if the carry is holding the aegis and dies, all his supports can die before he respawns and then he just gets exploded.
Combined with how many heroes are very cooldown limited in dota, (many heroes rely on abilities with 30s+ ulties/skills to be effective) and this Guardian angel isn't even that useful on a lot of heroes.
It gives you an advantage, but it's hardly a situation where you can just start shoving towers and taking fights.
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On August 09 2013 10:43 MrCon wrote:
What does the Baron buff do ?
Bonus damage and mana/hp regen i think
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Sick radi timing on spectre after doing phase drums and vit booster!
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On August 09 2013 10:44 Shikyo wrote:
23min radiance vit drums phase with just 1 tower kill ooooookay
It's Burning after all.
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On August 09 2013 10:39 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 10:37 Namunelbo wrote:On August 09 2013 10:33 Frost wrote:The game was lacking action, but it was by no means "terrible", "dumb", "boring" as some of the people here put it. I don't know if many people watching that are posting these remarks are just not well-experienced enough, but seriously read these two posts since they explain better than I can why Ayesee acting like he did is fucked up and also why game turned out like as it did. On August 09 2013 10:25 TheYango wrote:
Quite simply, 30 minutes of this game came out of this Rapier buy. It got IG the win, but honestly, that Rapier is probably the sole reason why DK refused to end--because having a Rapier completely nullifies 10k+ of gold disadvantage (it gives you 5 Sacred Relics of damage for ~6k gold) as well as 2 lanes rax down because winning a fight with Rapier basically lets you instantly throne. On August 09 2013 10:20 CountChocula wrote:
This. You can't call a game stupidly wrong just because the game seems different from the way most Western Dota games go. The game has a lot of playstyles you can run and it's ridiculous to use "entertainment value" as a metric when $2.8M is on the line.
The fault of Ayesee's commentary is that instead of taking the opportunity to enlighten a crowd ignorant about Eastern Dota like Synderen usually does as a student of the game, he had the effect of egging the crowd on as if there were something wrong with the way the game was being played. Not everyone on the internet appreciate these players' craft, thousand of hours spent, all the hindsight and thought process... Nope, let's just complain and fill our blood lust. To be fair, last year's IG vs LGD people were complaining as boring and I enjoyed it, also Alliance vs LGD people said it was boring and I enjoyed it, but last game was more or less objectively boring, without the chants of the crowd I would have tuned out to sleep I think.
I'm not defending KotL and PL strategies. I think they are stupidly boring as well, but at least it's a strategy, not waiting for the other team to fuck up.
However there is now action again and I'm entertained(!) so I guess it's all good now.
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Yeah... this game is over... no 100 minute game repeat
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On August 09 2013 10:43 MrCon wrote:
What does the Baron buff do ?
Basically it increases your Magic and Attack Dmg by a LOT (up to 40) and gives you 3% of your max health and 1% of your max mana as regen per 5 sec. For everyone on your team. It's pretty nuts later on and almost always means losing multiple towers and/or rax.
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Pretty sure DK has this game, unless sick darkseer plays happen.
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