On August 13 2013 01:17 BurningSera wrote: Navi: I am not hating but i am sure that puppey knows that one person should leave the team asap and i hope he would give funnik another chance since he has huge potential and it was basically xboct who carried the hell of the team (i know it is unbelievable but his performed out of his mind in this TI), followed by funnik (on the heroes he is good at, which is like 80% of the heroes he played in TI3) and dendi.
And then i hope [A] will stay as long as possible because i really want to see when will someone in [A] starts to 'break down' in a team like that, would be very interesting to see how long will Loda's leadership hold them together (dont get me wrong his leadership is a key factor for [A]).
and then i dont care about the rest of western teams, EG gets their shit together and synderen maybe it is time to retire to be a caster or whatever.
chinese teams zzzz please just go sort out your messes in your circle, you guys have too much issues.
Wait... so Navi loses Game 5 of the finals by a hair and they want to make a change to the team? I don't get it.
Unless you're getting LoH, or a major team disbands [lgd.int?] ... who the heck (that is somewhat available) is gonna be nearly as good as what funn1k or Kuro bring to the team?
well for 5,4,3 i guess silent goblak dread NS
i can see those cis teams disbanding or them easily leaving for navi
why are you guys talking about replacing someone in navi? most games they lost they mostly did major fuckups as in bad team decisions/actions, not individual fail. that they got outratted in the last game has zero to do with the skill of any of their players.
they got close 2nd, why the hell would someone go and call doomsday on them now is really beyond me
Alexander Dashkevich Жаль, что частенько твоя судьба зависит от парочки бесполезных идиотов... Спасибо за поддержку, но нави вряд ли продолжит свое существование в таком составе;(
"Too bad that often your destiny depends on a couple of useless idiots... Thanks for your support, but na'vi doubtly will continue with this roster;("
Which may or may not have been drunk trolling.
If we see roster changes i find it to be strange really. The entire Navi played either phenomenal or terrible for many games. Other then puppeys blackholes vs orange i can't really pinpoint anyone in particular that under performed. He might be pissed about some type of indecision when alliance started the splitpush or whatever. I personally find it very strange that they failed to rax vs a puck and a CM with all 5.
Both Kuro and funn1k have played amazing overall this TI, same with puppey and dendi. Navi losses have all been to team misstakes tbh.
On August 13 2013 01:17 BurningSera wrote: Navi: I am not hating but i am sure that puppey knows that one person should leave the team asap and i hope he would give funnik another chance since he has huge potential and it was basically xboct who carried the hell of the team (i know it is unbelievable but his performed out of his mind in this TI), followed by funnik (on the heroes he is good at, which is like 80% of the heroes he played in TI3) and dendi.
And then i hope [A] will stay as long as possible because i really want to see when will someone in [A] starts to 'break down' in a team like that, would be very interesting to see how long will Loda's leadership hold them together (dont get me wrong his leadership is a key factor for [A]).
and then i dont care about the rest of western teams, EG gets their shit together and synderen maybe it is time to retire to be a caster or whatever.
chinese teams zzzz please just go sort out your messes in your circle, you guys have too much issues.
Wait... so Navi loses Game 5 of the finals by a hair and they want to make a change to the team? I don't get it.
Unless you're getting LoH, or a major team disbands [lgd.int?] ... who the heck (that is somewhat available) is gonna be nearly as good as what funn1k or Kuro bring to the team?
Ars-Art He may not be free currently, but I have no doubt he would drop Virtus pro in a heartbeat. Have you seen the few games VP won? It was basically AA+1 dragging the team to victory. Other than that there aren't many great support players in CIS region(or the west, for that matter) that are currently actually playing support.
edit: Not that I think they need to replace someone. Chances are good they would end up with a worse replacement if they try to force it.
Kuroky > ARS-ART hands down. Even ignoring all the problems outside of the game ARS-ART brings, Kuroky is just a better player and a better fit in the team. Rubick lasso steal. 4 man nyx impale (top rune) vs tongfu (game 3). He made plenty of clutch plays this tournament and is the best support Rubick in the world.
Funn1k is better than LoH at this point as well. His BH was so instrumental to Navi's wins (game 2 Alliance, against multiple Chinese teams). Navi don't need to change a thing until players start losing motiviation, which we might see after TI3.
On August 13 2013 01:17 BurningSera wrote: Navi: I am not hating but i am sure that puppey knows that one person should leave the team asap and i hope he would give funnik another chance since he has huge potential and it was basically xboct who carried the hell of the team (i know it is unbelievable but his performed out of his mind in this TI), followed by funnik (on the heroes he is good at, which is like 80% of the heroes he played in TI3) and dendi.
And then i hope [A] will stay as long as possible because i really want to see when will someone in [A] starts to 'break down' in a team like that, would be very interesting to see how long will Loda's leadership hold them together (dont get me wrong his leadership is a key factor for [A]).
and then i dont care about the rest of western teams, EG gets their shit together and synderen maybe it is time to retire to be a caster or whatever.
chinese teams zzzz please just go sort out your messes in your circle, you guys have too much issues.
Wait... so Navi loses Game 5 of the finals by a hair and they want to make a change to the team? I don't get it.
Unless you're getting LoH, or a major team disbands [lgd.int?] ... who the heck (that is somewhat available) is gonna be nearly as good as what funn1k or Kuro bring to the team?
Ars-Art He may not be free currently, but I have no doubt he would drop Virtus pro in a heartbeat. Have you seen the few games VP won? It was basically AA+1 dragging the team to victory. Other than that there aren't many great support players in CIS region(or the west, for that matter) that are currently actually playing support.
edit: Not that I think they need to replace someone. Chances are good they would end up with a worse replacement if they try to force it.
Kuroky > ARS-ART hands down. Even ignoring all the problems outside of the game ARS-ART brings, Kuroky is just a better player and a better fit in the team. Rubick lasso steal. 4 man nyx impale (top rune) vs tongfu (game 3). He made plenty of clutch plays this tournament and is the best support Rubick in the world.
Funn1k is better than LoH at this point as well. His BH was so instrumental to Navi's wins (game 2 Alliance, against multiple Chinese teams). Navi don't need to change a thing until players start losing motiviation, which we might see after TI3.
Funny, i agree.
In the finals, the two worst players on navi where Dendi and Puppy. Normally those are the two heroes that carry navi, but in the finals they where lackluster, and where out played by their counter parts s4 and akke.
On August 13 2013 01:17 BurningSera wrote: Navi: I am not hating but i am sure that puppey knows that one person should leave the team asap and i hope he would give funnik another chance since he has huge potential and it was basically xboct who carried the hell of the team (i know it is unbelievable but his performed out of his mind in this TI), followed by funnik (on the heroes he is good at, which is like 80% of the heroes he played in TI3) and dendi.
And then i hope [A] will stay as long as possible because i really want to see when will someone in [A] starts to 'break down' in a team like that, would be very interesting to see how long will Loda's leadership hold them together (dont get me wrong his leadership is a key factor for [A]).
and then i dont care about the rest of western teams, EG gets their shit together and synderen maybe it is time to retire to be a caster or whatever.
chinese teams zzzz please just go sort out your messes in your circle, you guys have too much issues.
Wait... so Navi loses Game 5 of the finals by a hair and they want to make a change to the team? I don't get it.
Unless you're getting LoH, or a major team disbands [lgd.int?] ... who the heck (that is somewhat available) is gonna be nearly as good as what funn1k or Kuro bring to the team?
Ars-Art He may not be free currently, but I have no doubt he would drop Virtus pro in a heartbeat. Have you seen the few games VP won? It was basically AA+1 dragging the team to victory. Other than that there aren't many great support players in CIS region(or the west, for that matter) that are currently actually playing support.
edit: Not that I think they need to replace someone. Chances are good they would end up with a worse replacement if they try to force it.
Kuroky > ARS-ART hands down. Even ignoring all the problems outside of the game ARS-ART brings, Kuroky is just a better player and a better fit in the team. Rubick lasso steal. 4 man nyx impale (top rune) vs tongfu (game 3). He made plenty of clutch plays this tournament and is the best support Rubick in the world.
Funn1k is better than LoH at this point as well. His BH was so instrumental to Navi's wins (game 2 Alliance, against multiple Chinese teams). Navi don't need to change a thing until players start losing motiviation, which we might see after TI3.
Funny, i agree.
In the finals, the two worst players on navi where Dendi and Puppy. Normally those are the two heroes that carry navi, but in the finals they where lackluster, and where out played by their counter parts s4 and akke.
On August 13 2013 05:34 Kazeyonoma wrote: dendi was largely the only reason they even had a close game in game 5. calling Dendi as lackluster is ridiculous.
17 kills 2 Deaths what an embarassment Dendi was... s4's 0-8-0 beastmaster really showed Dendi how to play mid I think. + Show Spoiler +
Yes I know that that was primarily a team effort from Na'Vi to hold down s4, not some godlike display of skill from Dendi. And I know they weren't the same game. Still...
Meanwhile Puppey was the only captain to out-draft s4 and he did it multiple times (okay G1 was a disaster lmao).
On August 13 2013 01:17 BurningSera wrote: Navi: I am not hating but i am sure that puppey knows that one person should leave the team asap and i hope he would give funnik another chance since he has huge potential and it was basically xboct who carried the hell of the team (i know it is unbelievable but his performed out of his mind in this TI), followed by funnik (on the heroes he is good at, which is like 80% of the heroes he played in TI3) and dendi.
And then i hope [A] will stay as long as possible because i really want to see when will someone in [A] starts to 'break down' in a team like that, would be very interesting to see how long will Loda's leadership hold them together (dont get me wrong his leadership is a key factor for [A]).
and then i dont care about the rest of western teams, EG gets their shit together and synderen maybe it is time to retire to be a caster or whatever.
chinese teams zzzz please just go sort out your messes in your circle, you guys have too much issues.
Wait... so Navi loses Game 5 of the finals by a hair and they want to make a change to the team? I don't get it.
Unless you're getting LoH, or a major team disbands [lgd.int?] ... who the heck (that is somewhat available) is gonna be nearly as good as what funn1k or Kuro bring to the team?
Ars-Art He may not be free currently, but I have no doubt he would drop Virtus pro in a heartbeat. Have you seen the few games VP won? It was basically AA+1 dragging the team to victory. Other than that there aren't many great support players in CIS region(or the west, for that matter) that are currently actually playing support.
edit: Not that I think they need to replace someone. Chances are good they would end up with a worse replacement if they try to force it.
Kuroky > ARS-ART hands down. Even ignoring all the problems outside of the game ARS-ART brings, Kuroky is just a better player and a better fit in the team. Rubick lasso steal. 4 man nyx impale (top rune) vs tongfu (game 3). He made plenty of clutch plays this tournament and is the best support Rubick in the world.
Funn1k is better than LoH at this point as well. His BH was so instrumental to Navi's wins (game 2 Alliance, against multiple Chinese teams). Navi don't need to change a thing until players start losing motiviation, which we might see after TI3.
I'm pretty disappointed that in game 5 neither Puppey, Funn1k or Kuroky came to help out Xboct bottom lane. He had a fucking quadlane there that dived multiple times into his tower. Not to mention Kuroky overextended or just stupidly died so often during the entire tournament. I remember when he dived into a t1 as sand king because xboct as weaver dived into it. Xboct got the kill and time lapsed, Kuroky just died without even contributing damage since he couldn't reach the enemy.
Kuroky had great plays in teamfights, no doubt, but outside of a full on teamfight he was lackluster(compared to Na'Vi standards)
On August 13 2013 06:42 sumsaR wrote: It was a throw-away lane, frankly, and xboct got super lucky and actually got kills. They had expected it to have gone much worse.
Since when do you throw away your safe lane with a carry on it, ever?
I'm a Navi fan, but this such a lazy excuse. If it was actually their intent, then Puppey and Kuroky should probably have roamed the enemy jungle instead of their own.
On August 13 2013 06:42 sumsaR wrote: It was a throw-away lane, frankly, and xboct got super lucky and actually got kills. They had expected it to have gone much worse.
Since when do you throw away your safe lane with a carry on it, ever?
I'm a Navi fan, but this such a lazy excuse. If it was actually their intent, then Puppey and Kuroky should probably have roamed the enemy jungle instead of their own.
I'm not Puppey so I can't tell you the reason. In the post-interview with Kaci he admitted that Xboct getting that double kill was super lucky, though, so it kinda seemed like he expected it to go much much worse.
My theory is that an alch can catch up in farm due to greevil's greed, so it wasn't that important to keep him safe (could also be that they would have to sacrifice Dendi's TA to keep Xboct safe -> not worth it) and they instead concentrated on having Dendi's TA carry them through the midgame (which it did).
On August 13 2013 01:17 BurningSera wrote: Navi: I am not hating but i am sure that puppey knows that one person should leave the team asap and i hope he would give funnik another chance since he has huge potential and it was basically xboct who carried the hell of the team (i know it is unbelievable but his performed out of his mind in this TI), followed by funnik (on the heroes he is good at, which is like 80% of the heroes he played in TI3) and dendi.
And then i hope [A] will stay as long as possible because i really want to see when will someone in [A] starts to 'break down' in a team like that, would be very interesting to see how long will Loda's leadership hold them together (dont get me wrong his leadership is a key factor for [A]).
and then i dont care about the rest of western teams, EG gets their shit together and synderen maybe it is time to retire to be a caster or whatever.
chinese teams zzzz please just go sort out your messes in your circle, you guys have too much issues.
Wait... so Navi loses Game 5 of the finals by a hair and they want to make a change to the team? I don't get it.
Unless you're getting LoH, or a major team disbands [lgd.int?] ... who the heck (that is somewhat available) is gonna be nearly as good as what funn1k or Kuro bring to the team?
Ars-Art He may not be free currently, but I have no doubt he would drop Virtus pro in a heartbeat. Have you seen the few games VP won? It was basically AA+1 dragging the team to victory. Other than that there aren't many great support players in CIS region(or the west, for that matter) that are currently actually playing support.
edit: Not that I think they need to replace someone. Chances are good they would end up with a worse replacement if they try to force it.
Kuroky > ARS-ART hands down. Even ignoring all the problems outside of the game ARS-ART brings, Kuroky is just a better player and a better fit in the team. Rubick lasso steal. 4 man nyx impale (top rune) vs tongfu (game 3). He made plenty of clutch plays this tournament and is the best support Rubick in the world.
Funn1k is better than LoH at this point as well. His BH was so instrumental to Navi's wins (game 2 Alliance, against multiple Chinese teams). Navi don't need to change a thing until players start losing motiviation, which we might see after TI3.
I'm pretty disappointed that in game 5 neither Puppey, Funn1k or Kuroky came to help out Xboct bottom lane. He had a fucking quadlane there that dived multiple times into his tower. Not to mention Kuroky overextended or just stupidly died so often during the entire tournament. I remember when he dived into a t1 as sand king because xboct as weaver dived into it. Xboct got the kill and time lapsed, Kuroky just died without even contributing damage since he couldn't reach the enemy.
Kuroky had great plays in teamfights, no doubt, but outside of a full on teamfight he was lackluster(compared to Na'Vi standards)
The problem with rotating the supports to help xboct was that their trilane would simply not stand up against Alliance's. The only way to really buy xboct space was to gank the other lanes and try to get Alliance to rotate their supports out of the lane.
If Na'Vi does change their lineup, I really hope KuroKy moves to the 1 position. He was once the best carry player outside of China, and his awareness is still amazing, so I have no doubt that he is capable. They will probably have to tone down their aggression somewhat, but I don't think that's a bad thing for the team's long-term success.
On August 13 2013 01:17 BurningSera wrote: Navi: I am not hating but i am sure that puppey knows that one person should leave the team asap and i hope he would give funnik another chance since he has huge potential and it was basically xboct who carried the hell of the team (i know it is unbelievable but his performed out of his mind in this TI), followed by funnik (on the heroes he is good at, which is like 80% of the heroes he played in TI3) and dendi.
And then i hope [A] will stay as long as possible because i really want to see when will someone in [A] starts to 'break down' in a team like that, would be very interesting to see how long will Loda's leadership hold them together (dont get me wrong his leadership is a key factor for [A]).
and then i dont care about the rest of western teams, EG gets their shit together and synderen maybe it is time to retire to be a caster or whatever.
chinese teams zzzz please just go sort out your messes in your circle, you guys have too much issues.
Wait... so Navi loses Game 5 of the finals by a hair and they want to make a change to the team? I don't get it.
Unless you're getting LoH, or a major team disbands [lgd.int?] ... who the heck (that is somewhat available) is gonna be nearly as good as what funn1k or Kuro bring to the team?
Ars-Art He may not be free currently, but I have no doubt he would drop Virtus pro in a heartbeat. Have you seen the few games VP won? It was basically AA+1 dragging the team to victory. Other than that there aren't many great support players in CIS region(or the west, for that matter) that are currently actually playing support.
edit: Not that I think they need to replace someone. Chances are good they would end up with a worse replacement if they try to force it.
Kuroky > ARS-ART hands down. Even ignoring all the problems outside of the game ARS-ART brings, Kuroky is just a better player and a better fit in the team. Rubick lasso steal. 4 man nyx impale (top rune) vs tongfu (game 3). He made plenty of clutch plays this tournament and is the best support Rubick in the world.
Funn1k is better than LoH at this point as well. His BH was so instrumental to Navi's wins (game 2 Alliance, against multiple Chinese teams). Navi don't need to change a thing until players start losing motiviation, which we might see after TI3.
I'm pretty disappointed that in game 5 neither Puppey, Funn1k or Kuroky came to help out Xboct bottom lane. He had a fucking quadlane there that dived multiple times into his tower. Not to mention Kuroky overextended or just stupidly died so often during the entire tournament. I remember when he dived into a t1 as sand king because xboct as weaver dived into it. Xboct got the kill and time lapsed, Kuroky just died without even contributing damage since he couldn't reach the enemy.
Kuroky had great plays in teamfights, no doubt, but outside of a full on teamfight he was lackluster(compared to Na'Vi standards)
The problem with rotating the supports to help xboct was that their trilane would simply not stand up against Alliance's. The only way to really buy xboct space was to gank the other lanes and try to get Alliance to rotate their supports out of the lane.
I know why they didn't trilane, but 2 tp scrolls could have easily netted them 4 more kills. If there are 3-4 people dying under the tower and 1 telekinesis equals 1 guaranteed kill, then I can't think of any reason not to tp there. Alliance made 2 huge misplays and ppy, kky, and funn1k were able to punish them even harder for it. Usually they are pretty good at map awareness.
On August 13 2013 01:17 BurningSera wrote: Navi: I am not hating but i am sure that puppey knows that one person should leave the team asap and i hope he would give funnik another chance since he has huge potential and it was basically xboct who carried the hell of the team (i know it is unbelievable but his performed out of his mind in this TI), followed by funnik (on the heroes he is good at, which is like 80% of the heroes he played in TI3) and dendi.
And then i hope [A] will stay as long as possible because i really want to see when will someone in [A] starts to 'break down' in a team like that, would be very interesting to see how long will Loda's leadership hold them together (dont get me wrong his leadership is a key factor for [A]).
and then i dont care about the rest of western teams, EG gets their shit together and synderen maybe it is time to retire to be a caster or whatever.
chinese teams zzzz please just go sort out your messes in your circle, you guys have too much issues.
Wait... so Navi loses Game 5 of the finals by a hair and they want to make a change to the team? I don't get it.
Unless you're getting LoH, or a major team disbands [lgd.int?] ... who the heck (that is somewhat available) is gonna be nearly as good as what funn1k or Kuro bring to the team?
Ars-Art He may not be free currently, but I have no doubt he would drop Virtus pro in a heartbeat. Have you seen the few games VP won? It was basically AA+1 dragging the team to victory. Other than that there aren't many great support players in CIS region(or the west, for that matter) that are currently actually playing support.
edit: Not that I think they need to replace someone. Chances are good they would end up with a worse replacement if they try to force it.
Kuroky > ARS-ART hands down. Even ignoring all the problems outside of the game ARS-ART brings, Kuroky is just a better player and a better fit in the team. Rubick lasso steal. 4 man nyx impale (top rune) vs tongfu (game 3). He made plenty of clutch plays this tournament and is the best support Rubick in the world.
Funn1k is better than LoH at this point as well. His BH was so instrumental to Navi's wins (game 2 Alliance, against multiple Chinese teams). Navi don't need to change a thing until players start losing motiviation, which we might see after TI3.
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