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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:28 nojok wrote: Poor Chinese pub players, I would be so mad to have a midas vlad PL on my side. Hi bro I spent 4K gold of free farm on items who give no HP nor any damage! Now yasha and diffusal xD | ||
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SupportDotA2
Japan307 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:31 konadora wrote: yes but who the hell goes hearts as first major item first? even centaur and axe goes blink or something. heart does not fit into any hero's item progression at 20 mins mark. Heart should be the 2nd big item, you should go for BKB first. With BKB on you can kill the summons without any problem and the damage of early levels summons aren't unbearable if you distribute it among the members of the team. When the deathpush with multiple Necro 2&3 come, one of the defending team should have Heart and kill the summons, so the BKB users don't have to pop theirs to stop the summons hitting buildings. Even if the damage is significant, the defending side has their towers to offset it. Without the summons to tank and deal damage, the pushing team won't dare to break highground and fight head-on inside the other team's base. The main power of necrobook (in my opinion) is the option to push the highground without putting yourself up there, in a very disadvantageous position. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:37 SupportDotA2 wrote: Heart should be the 2nd big item, you should go for BKB first. With BKB on you can kill the summons without any problem and the damage of early levels summons aren't unbearable if you distribute it among the members of the team. When the deathpush with multiple Necro 2&3 come, one of the defending team should have Heart and kill the summons, so the BKB users don't have to pop theirs to stop the summons hitting buildings. Even if the damage is significant, the defending side has their towers to offset it. Without the summons to tank and deal damage, the pushing team won't dare to break highground and fight head-on inside the other team's base. The main power of necrobook (in my opinion) is the option to push the highground without putting yourself up there, in a very disadvantageous position. okay tell me who you are going to go bkb heart then without sacrificing damage or game control. it's like saying you're going to get dagon on your carry because enemy is getting ghost scepters. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
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OlorinTheWise
United States173 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:25 SupportDotA2 wrote: You can farm multiple Necrobooks at the same time, so why not? Right now you have more passive gold than before so the timing doesn't sound so impossble anymore, and it was possible even when you earned less gold. Furthermore, Necrobook 1 doesn't really justify the cost of it so you can capitalize the timing before they upgrade their necrobooks and win some teamfights, further whatever advantage you can squeeze out prior to the death push. Even if you went straight Heart, a Necro 3 is cheaper, and the pushing lineup should be well ahead of you on gold. Also well microed Necro units should do a minimum of 825 damage to you - nearly nullifying the 1060 hp that the Heart gives you, even if you somehow manage to have enough damage to kill them without taking a single right click. And that's with only a single Necronomicon, where most pushing lineups seem to be perfectly happy going for them on every hero at the moment. Going straight Heart as a counter to a fast Necro 3 push lineup is a laughable idea. :/ | ||
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PotatoFury
Philippines705 Posts
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SupportDotA2
Japan307 Posts
Initiation is key. You should be able to disengage when they charge in or initate when they retreat. Even if you don't fight, Necrobooks lose their powers when the game goes late and they are left with a number of inefficient items. One way to ensure farming is to defend with 4 hero when another push their towers. A Furion, Pugna or Leshrac of your own team can take down a tower faster than the enemy does against a 4-man defense team. | ||
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PotatoFury
Philippines705 Posts
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Nopeudon
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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Delphiki
Philippines1955 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:39 konadora wrote: okay tell me who you are going to go bkb heart then without sacrificing damage or game control. it's like saying you're going to get dagon on your carry because enemy is getting ghost scepters. Carry Centaur new meta confirmed. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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wuhan_clan
United States5609 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 24 2013 20:30 wuhan_clan wrote: Push vs Push ... how can win? Base race, full ZvP style. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
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Azurues
Malaysia5612 Posts
never even see it in pub games previously | ||
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juff
Singapore4659 Posts
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Austria1960 Posts
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