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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 30 2014 13:38 GMT
#321
Void ban, Xin ban... dahell, i missed plenty of chinese games.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
March 30 2014 13:40 GMT
#322
On March 30 2014 22:38 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 22:34 wuhan_clan wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:25 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:25 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:22 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:21 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:19 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Seriously though, blink in by Nyx and Xiao8 easily activates BKB in time but Hao is asleep and doesn't bother and then they lose top rax because Hao is dead. Regardless, Newbee win the fight mid 4v5 and decide to chase to T3 and manage to fucking lose advantage again.

Just really incredible from a team that's supposed to be the most disciplined in the world.

You forgot about BM, 2 hexes + roar is either AM is dead, or he escapes, but all his team dies.

No difference really.

What? AM was the only one to die.

hes saying that if they dont use it on am they use it on the other heroes and they will die even faster

They have one BKB-piercing spell when all three cores have BKB.

On March 30 2014 22:25 BlitzerSC wrote:
Once AM gets roared there is not much he can do.


Would have lived 100% if he had BKB active.


That's the thing that makes Scythe the strongest item in the game. Abilities like Hex or Roar give you instant disable. Does'nt matter if you have a BKB, as soon as you get hit by one of them, you're dead from the follow up chains. Sure, you can try to preemptive BKB but that's a really hard decision to make because once they see the BKB before the initiation, VG simply backs off. You can't just say "oh he should have just used bkb". You saw how well that worked with other Newbie members using preemptive bkbs.
VG was going all-in focusing down the AM, since hes the only one they cant kite. If they fail the initiation they are not committed to the fight and can run away. If you fail your bkb usage (ie use it early) then you are committed to the fight for the next few seconds.


Like I've said from the beginning, I was criticising a specific reaction to a blink initiation by Nyx, not a Hex or Roar, so. . .


I don't remember any big Nyx initiation, but maybe he was stunned by the carapace because of the Battlefury AoE damage while he was farming ?
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
March 30 2014 13:41 GMT
#323
On March 30 2014 22:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Void ban, Xin ban... dahell, i missed plenty of chinese games.

Ember has been a high priority pick for a couple weeks in China I believe.

Void I have no idea. Respect ban?
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-30 13:43:24
March 30 2014 13:42 GMT
#324
On March 30 2014 22:40 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 22:38 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:34 wuhan_clan wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:25 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:25 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:22 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:21 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:19 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Seriously though, blink in by Nyx and Xiao8 easily activates BKB in time but Hao is asleep and doesn't bother and then they lose top rax because Hao is dead. Regardless, Newbee win the fight mid 4v5 and decide to chase to T3 and manage to fucking lose advantage again.

Just really incredible from a team that's supposed to be the most disciplined in the world.

You forgot about BM, 2 hexes + roar is either AM is dead, or he escapes, but all his team dies.

No difference really.

What? AM was the only one to die.

hes saying that if they dont use it on am they use it on the other heroes and they will die even faster

They have one BKB-piercing spell when all three cores have BKB.

On March 30 2014 22:25 BlitzerSC wrote:
Once AM gets roared there is not much he can do.


Would have lived 100% if he had BKB active.


That's the thing that makes Scythe the strongest item in the game. Abilities like Hex or Roar give you instant disable. Does'nt matter if you have a BKB, as soon as you get hit by one of them, you're dead from the follow up chains. Sure, you can try to preemptive BKB but that's a really hard decision to make because once they see the BKB before the initiation, VG simply backs off. You can't just say "oh he should have just used bkb". You saw how well that worked with other Newbie members using preemptive bkbs.
VG was going all-in focusing down the AM, since hes the only one they cant kite. If they fail the initiation they are not committed to the fight and can run away. If you fail your bkb usage (ie use it early) then you are committed to the fight for the next few seconds.


Like I've said from the beginning, I was criticising a specific reaction to a blink initiation by Nyx, not a Hex or Roar, so. . .


I don't remember any big Nyx initiation, but maybe he was stunned by the carapace because of the Battlefury AoE damage while he was farming ?


No, it was a blink in.

OK, I think we've exhausted this discussion since people don't know what incident I was referring to. :D


Edit: Unless you mean he blinked in with Carapace. I'll be honest, the quality of my stream isn't great, but I'm pretty confident that wasn't the case. If it's right then it was an incredible Nyx play and I'm being really unreasonable. Cool though.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-30 13:44:30
March 30 2014 13:42 GMT
#325
Don't get Rubick pick.
Well it's good against Prophet splitpush.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 30 2014 13:42 GMT
#326
On March 30 2014 22:41 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 22:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Void ban, Xin ban... dahell, i missed plenty of chinese games.

Ember has been a high priority pick for a couple weeks in China I believe.

Void I have no idea. Respect ban?

Last time when i was watching chinese games, Xin was completely ignored. As for void, it's almost as if newbee are afraid of wombo-combo or.... pick ricer in morphling.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-30 13:43:57
March 30 2014 13:43 GMT
#327
Did they really just pick Morphling vs AA ? pls
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 30 2014 13:44 GMT
#328
On March 30 2014 22:43 BlitzerSC wrote:
Did they really just pick Morphling vs AA ? pls

Newbee confirmed drunk, indeed.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
March 30 2014 13:45 GMT
#329
On March 30 2014 22:42 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 22:41 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:38 lolfail9001 wrote:
Void ban, Xin ban... dahell, i missed plenty of chinese games.

Ember has been a high priority pick for a couple weeks in China I believe.

Void I have no idea. Respect ban?

Last time when i was watching chinese games, Xin was completely ignored. As for void, it's almost as if newbee are afraid of wombo-combo or.... pick ricer in morphling.

Void+AA is a scary combo and Sylar is a scary Void.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
March 30 2014 13:46 GMT
#330
On March 30 2014 22:44 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 22:43 BlitzerSC wrote:
Did they really just pick Morphling vs AA ? pls

Newbee confirmed drunk, indeed.

Please elaborate.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
March 30 2014 13:46 GMT
#331
Pretty sure Morph still gets you HP when you get hit by an Ice Blast.

Not 100% though.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 30 2014 13:47 GMT
#332
does morphling not morph strength under AA ulti or something?
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
March 30 2014 13:47 GMT
#333
We'll see. I think STR morph doesn't heal you if you get hit by Ice Blast.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 30 2014 13:48 GMT
#334
On March 30 2014 22:46 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 22:44 lolfail9001 wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:43 BlitzerSC wrote:
Did they really just pick Morphling vs AA ? pls

Newbee confirmed drunk, indeed.

Please elaborate.

Let's see: Morph pick into AA. AA locks all sorts of healing Newbee has.
Not to mention that last game Hao wasn't exactly fast.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-30 13:49:04
March 30 2014 13:48 GMT
#335
On March 30 2014 22:47 BlitzerSC wrote:
We'll see. I think STR morph doesn't heal you if you get hit by Ice Blast.

Correct. Gaining strength normally increases your current and maximum health, while affected by Ice Blast it only increases the maximum.

AA is the single hardest counter to Morphling there is.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 30 2014 13:48 GMT
#336
On March 30 2014 22:47 opterown wrote:
does morphling not morph strength under AA ulti or something?

He morphs str, gets higher HP pool and does not get ANY bonus HP. Essentially you will die faster because of shatter. Same story with clinkz and AA.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 30 2014 13:49 GMT
#337
On March 30 2014 22:48 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 22:46 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:44 lolfail9001 wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:43 BlitzerSC wrote:
Did they really just pick Morphling vs AA ? pls

Newbee confirmed drunk, indeed.

Please elaborate.

Let's see: Morph pick into AA. AA locks all sorts of healing Newbee has.
Not to mention that last game Hao wasn't exactly fast.

well they don't have any innate healing or whatever
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 30 2014 13:50 GMT
#338
On March 30 2014 22:49 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 22:48 lolfail9001 wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:46 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:44 lolfail9001 wrote:
On March 30 2014 22:43 BlitzerSC wrote:
Did they really just pick Morphling vs AA ? pls

Newbee confirmed drunk, indeed.

Please elaborate.

Let's see: Morph pick into AA. AA locks all sorts of healing Newbee has.
Not to mention that last game Hao wasn't exactly fast.

well they don't have any innate healing or whatever

Morph str is sort of innate healing though due to way it works.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
March 30 2014 13:50 GMT
#339
so the casters talk about how hard puck is to gank and after that they point out that the rhasta has a smoke and might gank him...
meh
FTD
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-30 13:51:53
March 30 2014 13:50 GMT
#340
On March 30 2014 22:48 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 22:47 opterown wrote:
does morphling not morph strength under AA ulti or something?

He morphs str, gets higher HP pool and does not get ANY bonus HP. Essentially you will die faster because of shatter. Same story with clinkz and AA.

I see it other way. Morph 20 minute shotgun = instant AA death.
xiao8 drafted the heroes that counter split-push at best.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
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