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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 15 2014 01:31 dasdasd wrote:
wow empire is a complete joke. i mean losing to alliance is no shame but losing a game in 22 minutes where u knew from the start that u only had to somehow keep your throne alive for 37 minutes makes them seem borderline retarded. i mean the draft itself was decent for what should hav been their gameplan, maybe replace lycan with something stronger at highground defense but their play was just disgustingly bad. waiting in front of a tier 1 away from your creepwave for the 100% predictable luna eclipse relocate is just emberassing.
TL;DR empire is an overrated team that started of strong when patch was, new similar to their streak of dominance in 2013, which is not fit to even lick the (bull)dogshit of alliances boots when it comes down to the wire in a meta where teams have adapted to the newest patch
Creating account just to say that Empire are overrated team is nice :D
Everyone can choke, Starladder will show where is Empire right now and can they give run for a money at TI4.
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Is there an esports community that suffer more from hyperbole than dota fans? seriously
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Honestly though stalling a game for 37 mins is not hard.
Empire could have drafted a lineup to do that.
But they all played so awful.
This probably means Empire won't have any chance in TI.
They cracked easily under pressure.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 15 2014 01:36 FakeDeath wrote:
Honestly though stalling a game for 37 mins is not hard.
Empire could have drafted a lineup to do that.
But they all played so awful.
This probably means Empire won't have any chance in TI.
They cracked easily under pressure.
37 minutes is long game, i have no fucking idea how can you stall game for 37 minutes doing nothing, if you don't have Tinker, KotL and other guys. If i ofc understood you properly, and you mean that they could just start a game with idea - "Guys, we can lose after 37 minutes, let's draft".
It's not 20 minutes game, 37 is very long period of time.
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On April 15 2014 01:36 lolnoty wrote:
Is there an esports community that suffer more from hyperbole than dota fans? seriously
I don't even know what's going on anymore. This is an epic thread. 
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United States15275 Posts
On April 15 2014 01:32 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 01:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 15 2014 01:25 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 15 2014 01:24 CosmicSpiral wrote:
s4 actually had a good game on Dragon Knight. :O His DK is actually good, you are mixing with Dendi. You mean...Dendi Magnus? ;P Imo Dendi Magnus has an unfairly bad rap and he's actually quite good on the hero.
I think he's average on the hero, but he's had some hilariously bad moments with Magnus in the past.
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
On April 15 2014 01:37 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 01:36 FakeDeath wrote:
Honestly though stalling a game for 37 mins is not hard.
Empire could have drafted a lineup to do that.
But they all played so awful.
This probably means Empire won't have any chance in TI.
They cracked easily under pressure.
37 minutes is long game, i have no fucking idea how can you stall game for 37 minutes doing nothing, if you don't have Tinker, KotL and other guys. It's not 20 minutes game, 37 is very long period of time. I disagree.
Without looking at statistics I'm guessing most games end at like 30-40 minutes. And that's when teams GG out early, when they're not trying to stall.
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United States13143 Posts
On April 15 2014 01:36 lolnoty wrote:
Is there an esports community that suffer more from hyperbole than dota fans? seriously
Every sports and esports community suffers heavily from hyperbole.
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People who think that "its easy to stall for 37 mins" don't understand that
A) Empire have no desire to lose at 38 minutes, to them its more or less the same. They refused to throw a different game to get easier opponents in Starladder and there's no reason for them to aim to lose this game at a certain point.
B) If you just pick a stall lineup and try to stall you will lose, FAST. You have to try to win and so you pick a lineup you believe will make that possible, ignoring the timing.
OFC, this means that timeranking is shit but we already knew that.
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On April 15 2014 01:33 Hagen0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 01:31 dasdasd wrote:
wow empire is a complete joke. i mean losing to alliance is no shame but losing a game in 22 minutes where u knew from the start that u only had to somehow keep your throne alive for 37 minutes makes them seem borderline retarded. i mean the draft itself was decent for what should hav been their gameplan, maybe replace lycan with something stronger at highground defense but their play was just disgustingly bad. waiting in front of a tier 1 away from your creepwave for the 100% predictable luna eclipse relocate is just emberassing.
TL;DR empire is an overrated team that started of strong when patch was, new similar to their streak of dominance in 2013, which is not fit to even lick the (bull)dogshit of alliances boots when it comes down to the wire in a meta where teams have adapted to the newest patch And now it swings the other way. o0
It's really simple, let me explain the western Dota tier list:
Navi is good.
The current best team is good. Unless they play boring or lame. Or lose to Navi. Or beat Navi. Then they're terrible.
Everybody else is terrible.
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
On April 15 2014 01:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
People who think that "its easy to stall for 37 mins" don't understand that
A) Empire have no desire to lose at 38 minutes, to them its more or less the same. They refused to throw a different game to get easier opponents in Starladder and there's no reason for them to aim to lose this game at a certain point.
B) If you just pick a stall lineup and try to stall you will lose, FAST. You have to try to win and so you pick a lineup you believe will make that possible, ignoring the timing.
OFC, this means that timeranking is shit but we already knew that. I agree.
And if Empire played better, this game would have easily gone 40+ minutes if they're waiting until the throne falls.
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On April 15 2014 01:37 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 01:36 FakeDeath wrote:
Honestly though stalling a game for 37 mins is not hard.
Empire could have drafted a lineup to do that.
But they all played so awful.
This probably means Empire won't have any chance in TI.
They cracked easily under pressure.
37 minutes is long game, i have no fucking idea how can you stall game for 37 minutes doing nothing, if you don't have Tinker, KotL and other guys. It's not 20 minutes game, 37 is very long period of time.
if u play defensive from the start and take effective highground defenders like magnus, tinker it really shoulndt be al that hard for a team to delay for 37 minutes. empire was just not capable of controlling their inner russian and decided to take risky 5on5 fights against an immensely strong teamfight lineup. they should have avoided fights at all time and just lived with occasionally being picked of. sacrificing tier 2 towers is also a decent choice as long as u can get a tier 1 tower trade or farm on 2 heroes for a minute or 2 in exchange. however as we all saw empire just isnt the smartest of dota teams out there and decided to take teamfights which should they have won them would have secured their trip to shanghai. sad part is they lost those fights in the most convincing fashion possible making their execution and teamfight capabilities as players look rather lacking.
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I understand everybody who is flaming Empire right now. They are a well experienced Team and try to qualify for an immensly high donated tournament (that`s what one might assume). They know all they have to do is turtle for 37 minutes. BUT they pick an early midgame fighting lineup. ?!?!?!? From a professional aspect: their draft and strategy was not build to achieve their main objective. From a fan perspective: it looked like they didn`t want to go to china.
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I missed the stream before the game... Why did Alliance have to win in 38 min? How did this even happen?
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Time-ratings are shit, tournaments should design their tournament to prevent it(ties) from happening. The fact that we almost had a 5-way tie just shows how crazily poorly designed this was imho.
Or have some good solution incase it does happen, not fucking time-rating.
Congratulations to alliance but whatever.
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On April 15 2014 01:36 lolnoty wrote:
Is there an esports community that suffer more from hyperbole than dota fans? seriously
Starcraft 2
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Did everyone suddenly forget that navi and alliance 20 min gg'd ea other all the time when they were arguably the 2 best teams in the world? Or that Empire 3-1'd Alliance in 3 straight games, after the initial stumble, yesterday? It's not like they picked kotl tinker ds enigma naga you're never breaking our base ever and then completely derped, just a volatile game or choke or w/e.
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On April 15 2014 01:41 Lachrymose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 01:33 Hagen0 wrote:On April 15 2014 01:31 dasdasd wrote:
wow empire is a complete joke. i mean losing to alliance is no shame but losing a game in 22 minutes where u knew from the start that u only had to somehow keep your throne alive for 37 minutes makes them seem borderline retarded. i mean the draft itself was decent for what should hav been their gameplan, maybe replace lycan with something stronger at highground defense but their play was just disgustingly bad. waiting in front of a tier 1 away from your creepwave for the 100% predictable luna eclipse relocate is just emberassing.
TL;DR empire is an overrated team that started of strong when patch was, new similar to their streak of dominance in 2013, which is not fit to even lick the (bull)dogshit of alliances boots when it comes down to the wire in a meta where teams have adapted to the newest patch And now it swings the other way. o0 It's really simple, let me explain the western Dota tier list: Navi is good. The current best team is good. Unless they play boring or lame. Or lose to Navi. Or beat Navi. Then they're terrible. Everybody else is terrible.
now that is just plain stupid. Navi is amazing at lan finals almost every single time. alliance looks stable 90% of the time and when theyre allegedly slumping its only in comparison to their Ti3 and pre ti 3 performance. cloud 9 is unstable but plays brilliant at times. eg is strong. empire has strong phases which are all strangely enough always after a new patch and then fade rather quickly as teams adapt. so all in all Na'vi and alliance are the top dogs without question. then come eg and cloud 9 with cloud 9 looking incredibly shaky atz times and EG not having had enough showings against the other top western teams to really be evaluated. then comes a huge gap followed by empire another small gap and then the rest of the western competition
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Maybe you could play an early push lineup yourself in Empire's position. These lineups can win quickly but can they really lose quickly?
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On April 15 2014 01:47 dasdasd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 01:41 Lachrymose wrote:On April 15 2014 01:33 Hagen0 wrote:On April 15 2014 01:31 dasdasd wrote:
wow empire is a complete joke. i mean losing to alliance is no shame but losing a game in 22 minutes where u knew from the start that u only had to somehow keep your throne alive for 37 minutes makes them seem borderline retarded. i mean the draft itself was decent for what should hav been their gameplan, maybe replace lycan with something stronger at highground defense but their play was just disgustingly bad. waiting in front of a tier 1 away from your creepwave for the 100% predictable luna eclipse relocate is just emberassing.
TL;DR empire is an overrated team that started of strong when patch was, new similar to their streak of dominance in 2013, which is not fit to even lick the (bull)dogshit of alliances boots when it comes down to the wire in a meta where teams have adapted to the newest patch And now it swings the other way. o0 It's really simple, let me explain the western Dota tier list: Navi is good. The current best team is good. Unless they play boring or lame. Or lose to Navi. Or beat Navi. Then they're terrible. Everybody else is terrible. now that is just plain stupid. Navi is amazing at lan finals almost every single time. alliance looks stable 90% of the time and when theyre allegedly slumping its only in comparison to their Ti3 and pre ti 3 performance. cloud 9 is unstable but plays brilliant at times. eg is strong. empire has strong phases which are all strangely enough always after a new patch and then fade rather quickly as teams adapt. so all in all Na'vi and alliance are the top dogs without question. then come eg and cloud 9 with cloud 9 looking incredibly shaky atz times and EG not having had enough showings against the other top western teams to really be evaluated. then comes a huge gap followed by empire another small gap and then the rest of the western competition
he was joking
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