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On April 15 2014 02:08 Sn0_Man wrote:
Teams have consistently shown across a wide variety of sports that if you don't play TO WIN then you lose much much faster than by simply playing to win. Playing to last X amount of time never works out, because nobody performs their best if they aren't playing to win. Teams make the wrong decisions because "well we don't need that kill we just need to stay alive" when the winning move was going for the kill. ETC. Teams haven't practiced "just don't lose for 38 mins then lose".
Besides which, Empire have no incentive to play to stall. They want to win. Losing fast doesn't hurt them much, all it does is let alliance through over sigma.
this i just more nonsensical brabble without any concrete example to back it up. if you played dota you would know that finishing the game against certain line ups, those with heroes that can stall, takes longer than against a line up that does not have heroes which can stall
also what wide variety of sports are you referring to. i wasnt aware there was all that many sports in which the end is determined by score rather than time. adn for the sports where score is the deciding factor for when the match ends, for example tennis, it makes no sense to stall the match in the first place. pls stop posting complete rubbish trying to sound smart. the points you make are flat out wrong and your arguments are logically flawed at best
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The fact is, what empire did wasn't "play to not lose in 37 minutes" but play to win. Regardless of the results, that kind of resolution is admirable in of itself.
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On April 15 2014 01:55 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 01:49 hariooo wrote:On April 15 2014 01:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
People who think that "its easy to stall for 37 mins" don't understand that
A) Empire have no desire to lose at 38 minutes, to them its more or less the same. They refused to throw a different game to get easier opponents in Starladder and there's no reason for them to aim to lose this game at a certain point.
B) If you just pick a stall lineup and try to stall you will lose, FAST. You have to try to win and so you pick a lineup you believe will make that possible, ignoring the timing.
OFC, this means that timeranking is shit but we already knew that. lol wtf are you talking about? this post makes no sense Hmm, one person has posted a direct "I agree" (with me) and another has said exactly the same thing as me. As for you, I recommend using intelligent points instead of unthinking stupidity when trying to argue, even on Internet forums. TL tries not to cater to the lowest common denominator, I'm sure you can do better than this.
and now you decided to use punctuation and grammar for a couple of posts. did you raise your glasses on your nose a bit while you typed that?
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I make an argument.
Your response is "lol wtf is dis"
I request that if you wish to argue you make actual arguments
You resort to ad hominem instead of attempting to refute my argument or in any way contribute to discussion.
Great job.
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On April 15 2014 02:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
I make an argument.
Your response is "lol wtf is dis"
I request that if you wish to argue you make actual arguments
You resort to ad hominem instead of attempting to refute my argument or in any way contribute to discussion.
Great job.
i refuted your argument and u havent responded
also u dont make any actual argument either. u state that "picking a stall line up will lose you the game. FAST." then saying that this can be observed in other sports without giving any concrete examples. in other words you say something completely wrong trying to support it with evidence that you say exists, which i doubt, but dont bother to reference. i really odnt know how somebody posting such utter rubbish can also have this huge air of entitlement about him. i guess its your post count or whatever inflating that ego
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? ur refutation was "ur arguments are garbage" which is more or less my opinion of your arguments so I quit talking to u.
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United States15275 Posts
People are arguing in favor of an anti-push strategy as if Alliance was running a zoo strategy with Necronomicons and Chen/Enchantress. They were not. It was a global ganking lineup with Blink Lasso, Relocate, and Shadowblade initiation. It's not like they had to face-rush the towers in order to win the game.
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On April 15 2014 02:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
? ur refutation was "ur arguments are garbage" which is more or less my opinion of your arguments so I quit talking to u.
my refutation was saying that you dont give any evidence and that i doubt that the evidence u mention exists, while also providing a reason for why i think it doesnt exist.
also i would love to hear your reason for why you think that my arguments are garbage, other than out of spite of course, seeing that i have given an explanation of why i think yours are garbage.
in case you forgot those already they are
a) experience, i have played dota for close to 7 years now and i can tell you with complete confidence that it simply takes longer to close out a game in which the enemy team is effectively turtling with suitable heroes such as tinker.
b) you state that it has been shown "in a wide variety of sports" that playing to stall will lose you the match faster than playing to win. here i quesitoned what sport you are referring to as really i myself cant think of any sports where the end of the match is brought about by score rather than time limit where stalling would make sense. the only example i can think of that is somehow connected to your argument is soccer, in a situation where advancement from the championsleague semi-final can be decided by the overall score after 2 matches. here stalling would make sense in certain situations but to be honest having followed professional soccer for most of my life i can again tell you with complete confidence that stalling will delay the other team from winning rather than accelarating their victory.
again pls stop posting nonsense, i guess your not gonna respond to this again seeing that your initial post was ,as you must have realised yourself by now, just some half hearted attempt at sounding smarter than you are
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On April 15 2014 02:30 Kupon3ss wrote:
The fact is, what empire did wasn't "play to not lose in 37 minutes" but play to win. Regardless of the results, that kind of resolution is admirable in of itself.
If that's really what they did isn't it more of the "brave but stupid" category? Aside from the prestige and blahblahblah that's a lot of money left on the table.
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On April 15 2014 02:57 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 02:30 Kupon3ss wrote:
The fact is, what empire did wasn't "play to not lose in 37 minutes" but play to win. Regardless of the results, that kind of resolution is admirable in of itself. If that's really what they did isn't it more of the "brave but stupid" category? Aside from the prestige and blahblahblah that's a lot of money left on the table.
Defending for 37 minutes isn't easy, especially if you don't know how to play passive base defend style. Empire just got completely outplayed.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 15 2014 02:57 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 02:30 Kupon3ss wrote:
The fact is, what empire did wasn't "play to not lose in 37 minutes" but play to win. Regardless of the results, that kind of resolution is admirable in of itself. If that's really what they did isn't it more of the "brave but stupid" category? Aside from the prestige and blahblahblah that's a lot of money left on the table.
Can't call 3200 bucks for team as "lots of money", especially for guys from team like Empire.
Plus there are flights when you can already start bootcamping to ESL One, Dreamleague and actual TI.
What is the reason for them to just stall the game knowing about 37 minutes and timerating? They're rolling everyone in 2014, they just beat Alliance yesterday convincingly 3-1, they're number 1 seed from Europe on SLTV finals this weekend and they have almost guaranteed direct invite for TI4 if suddenly they don't disband after possible elimination in groupstages of SLTV LAN.
It's like if Barcelona drops 0-36 to Rayo Vallecano, just because they have 37 goals advantage in Primera.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Most games are lost in less than 37 minutes.
Empire couldn't simply play a defensive drawn out game.
If they got to 24 minutes relatively even, then they can start thinking about dragging it out for time rating advancement. Instead they lost by 24 minutes, so it's not even an issue. Empire tried to play their same style in a sudden death elimination type game and lost. Simple high stakes result.
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Just found out Titan are playing Orange right now.
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And I think cis beat tf int he game before.
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United States15275 Posts
When your Luna is dying to AA solo, you're having a bad time.
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United States15275 Posts
Pretty solid Naga from kyxy.
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Doesn't have much to do honestly, his team is making all the plays. Titan bringing back the carry WR.
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United States15275 Posts
I've seen a lot worse Nagas when their teams are winning.
EDIT: Sand King is a legit ban against Titan.
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